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Do Russians trust Putin ?
« on: August 02, 2019, 02:10:29 PM »
I expect this will either never see the light of day or get moved to my 'Russophobe' dark hole..

But at least it's proving my long held contention ..  VVP has lost the support of Russians ..


This is from Odnoklassniki - a Russian social media site..




4..5 :1  NOT believed ...


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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2019, 12:23:44 PM »
We are lacking context, demographic and location of respondents, type of group/s it was touted in, was it funded, etc., so are unable to judge the veracity of this poll.

You can find polls all over Twitter that say 99.6% people want to stay in the EU (for example), but if it was only circulated among blokes like you, Pinkos, Lefties, Libtards, FBPE cretins et al - so duh... loaded polls abound.

We know in fact that the majority of people want to leave the EU just as we know the majority of Russians support Putin.

So yes, this probably does belong on your Kreminphobia topic as you are knowingly disseminating lies and fake news again. But let's have it running as a topic. Maybe you'll link the Russian embassy to it for your next Russian visa application if such a thing is still possible on one of your passports.
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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2019, 02:16:20 PM »
Tut,tut, Manny..

Again, this is a poll on Odnoklassniki...owned by a friend of the Kremlin.. Uzmanov...

May be you do not visit Odnoklassniki ?

Such polls and people bemoaning corruption, declining standards of living and the increases in pension age are the main gripes .

During the recent protests in Moscow..where there were 'irregularites' with signatures...strangely for anti corruption opposition, only... The Mayor of Moscow announced a high percentage of those arrested were 'draft dodgers'... 134 out of c.1300..

Even THAT was a PR mistake...as it has been pointed out that VVP has promised to end conscription 3 times in pre election pledges..

Unlike you, I watch and read RU news ..from a larger selection of sources..

It is ironic that you even might to seek to 'belittle' such polls, given VTsIOM 's need to change how it asked questions...as the official numbers were SO bad for VVP and United Russia, officials queried the results..

This is stuff you can read and see in Russian and English ...reported by Russians.

Your are running ads for 'RT' so I guess I'd not be allowed to show members where to check for the authenticity of my assertions..


Feel free to act as the Commissar and kid yourself...

I feel this is going to get worse .. stopping opposition to corruption is the act of desperation..  offering Free Shashlik to dissuade folk from attending banned demonstrations has me thinking of 'Nulands cookies' ;)



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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 02:28:59 PM »
Maybe you'll link the Russian embassy to it for your next Russian visa application if such a thing is still possible on one of your passports.

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That's really hilarious.. 

Anyone would think freedom of speech is not a code of the RF constitution..

You'd better wonder at how a state that provides free burial has allowed a Mafia like stranglehold in the death biz in Moscow..

You may have 'fwends' at the UK RU embassy..but my visa applications are not seen by them..

Of course you weren't suggesting I should stop posting such 'news' lest it effect my travels to Russia..."no-one cares"...remember?)




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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2019, 02:34:03 PM »
Lastly, 'we' know nothing of the sort re 'Brexit' and you will find that out soon enough..

Your denial, ( in the face of a recent defeat of the govt.... in a 'leave' constituency' ..) has me wondering if you note what is happening outside the forum..

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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2019, 03:21:43 PM »
another random "poll" from a Russian social media site... :'(

When the hell were you last in Russia doofus.


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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2019, 02:30:37 AM »
another random "poll" from a Russian social media site... :'(


Before posting, engage your brain ...  Do you know what VTsIOM do and how they changed their 'random polling' questions - as the results so concerned the Kremlin mandarins?

As to you second Q .. you might like to check before proving your inattentiveness .. 


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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2019, 04:54:47 AM »
Manny has made a big point of suggesting I'm being 'dishonest' ..

Here's the PROOF:

VVP's the top line - just over 30 percent approval



Medvedev is bumping along at 7%..

https://wciom.ru/news/ratings/doverie_politikam/


"By the end of last week, [moby: June 2019] the Kremlin had raised the issue with the polling organization. The polling organization, VTsIOM, revised their methodology, and came up with different results. Putin's trust rating rose to 72.3%"








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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2019, 12:25:23 PM »
We are lacking context, demographic and location of respondents, type of group/s it was touted in, was it funded, etc., so are unable to judge the veracity of this poll.

You can find polls all over Twitter that say 99.6% people want to stay in the EU (for example), but if it was only circulated among blokes like you, Pinkos, Lefties, Libtards, FBPE cretins et al - so duh... loaded polls abound.

We know in fact that the majority of people want to leave the EU just as we know the majority of Russians support Putin.

So yes, this probably does belong on your Kreminphobia topic as you are knowingly disseminating lies and fake news again. But let's have it running as a topic. Maybe you'll link the Russian embassy to it for your next Russian visa application if such a thing is still possible on one of your passports.

Polls and Western media can be manipulated.

We were told ad nauseum that Trump could not win.

Then a miracle occurred and Trump won.  :chuckle:
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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 12:46:11 PM »
The polling organization, VTsIOM, revised their methodology, and came up with different results. Putin's trust rating rose to 72.3%"

So as we see, the poll questions were likely loaded or ther methodology questionable in other ways. So when revised, the data came closer to what we know to be the case.

You Remainiacs are frequently found to be using imaginative data interpretation to support an untrue position. Looks like these pollsters did the same.
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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2019, 01:06:17 PM »
Trump winning was not a miracle!

As some may know from reading my posts, many years ago I worked in marketing research with a view to learning about polling, research and how a professionally accredited research organisation carries out polling and presents the insights from the gathered data.

I am certainly not an expert in the filed although my later university training gave a much more solid mathematical underpinning for the topic.

Before the presidential election, it was clear that polls were being manipulated to favour Democrat candidates and Republican candidates who were not called Donald. I'd agree that 'the man in the street' might not have the requisite understanding to see what was going on but I did my best to explain it here and, I believe, a few cottoned on - including those who also did not support candidates called Donald.

The surprise to me was that the Democrat campaign, particularly in the later stages, seemed to have been carried out on the basis of the manipulated polling. That was downright odd.
Why odd?
It is customary for political campaigns to spend huge amounts of money on private (and thus one would assume) unbiased reporting. The Clinton campaign seemed to believe that the public polling and their own polling were giving similar insights. The lack of knowledge implicit in that insight is mind-boggling.

After the election where Trump won, in a manner that I had expected, given a little time working back from the publically accessible poll data and the descriptions of universe selection, I reached the conclusion that the Clinton campaign had been busily feeding the senior managers and thus Clinton, information that they wanted to hear. This had led to poor campaigning choices ranging from campaign issue choices, message tone and even where Clinton campaigned actively.

Trump's team, on the other hand, had used polling assiduously and accurately to make good quality decisions.

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WIth regard to the faked-up Photoshop image claiming Putin's support is in the shitter - well, that is easily disproved by going to the source. Russia's Levada Centre is run by people who are very far from being in alignment with Putin and his government. They are, however well-reputed in terms of their polling capabilities and for the rigour of their research.

If one looks here: http://www.levada.ru/en/ one can see, in English a time series rating chart for Putin and Medvedev. It is right there on the front page.
What does the poll tell us?
Putin's approval rating in July 2019 was running at a very handsome 68%. We can also see that his rating has dropped since April 2018 from just over 80%. We can also see that his approval rating has risen from its recent floor and is now 4% up from its February 2019 nadir.

To those doubters who will say this is not a rating for 'trust'. Well, whack on the thinking cap and tell us exactly how a mass of opinion in respect of approval can at the same time reflect a lack of trust. In this context, the two concepts are pretty much synonymical. basically, one can not approve of a person that one cannot trust!
For context here, let us look at moby. It is hard to find a forum personality less trusted by his peers. At the same time, very few of us approve of him as a person. The two ideas go hand in hand and while a few might claim they do not trust him but they do approve of him as a person, they are almost certainly a tiny and largely irrelevant, irrational minority.

By the way, it is clear that Medvedev has a perception problem. Given the timings, it is likely that this is a matter of the recent pension reform program combined with smeared associations with corruption.
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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2019, 02:13:49 PM »

So as we see, the poll questions were likely loaded or ther methodology questionable in other ways. So when revised, the data came closer to what we know to be the case.

Manny - this is a Kremlin controlled and funded polling organistation .. :chuckle:

You Remainiacs are frequently found to be using imaginative data interpretation to support an untrue position. Looks like these pollsters did the same.

Coming from  chap who atill refers to the £350 million /week 'saving' - that's funny ..

Admit it .. the Kremlin didn't like their own pollsters data ..


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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2019, 02:17:16 PM »
Andrewfi - the poll result was not faked - nor 'photoshopped' 

Typical stunt  -  try to suggest the info is false ..  :chuckle:

it's still on the pollsters website - as of 5th August 21:15 BST

Better ring your mates in the citadel and get it pulled ..

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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2019, 02:22:25 PM »
Manny - this is a Kremlin controlled and funded polling organistation .. :chuckle:

They clearly "controlled" them so well they let out faulty findings.

Now it's corrected but it gives Russophobes some fake news to run with......

As Andrew pointed out, Levada is the most trusted polling data concerning Russia.
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Re: Do Russians trust Putin ?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2019, 02:50:13 PM »

As Andrew pointed out, Levada is the most trusted polling data concerning Russia.

A very unwise 'validation' based on his run of fails ..Levada's independencecan be questioned after it was designated a foreign agent in 2016

1/ describing me as a leftie, russophobe is really 'honest' ..

2/ So the Kremlin's own pollsters cannot be trusted ? ;)

The timeline:

MAY 25

VTsIOM, a state-owned polling agency, published a survey that placed Vladimir Putin’s approval rating at 31.7 percent, the lowest figure since Putin came to power in 2012.

MAY 30

Journalist: How does the Kremlin explain the drop in Putin’s approval rating?

Presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov: There are a many different approval ratings for Vladimir Putin. On one hand, the trust rating [is falling], but on the other hand, we see Putin’s electoral rating, which has shifted into an upward trend now. Of course, we are waiting for our experts to perform some kind of analysis to determine how these data points are correlated — how trust can decline while the electoral rating rises.

LATER THAT SAME DAY

Valery Fyodorov, who leads the state-owned polling agency VTsIOM, promised to publish the results of a different survey that includes the close-ended question “Do you trust Vladimir Putin?” where previous surveys had asked an open-ended one: “Which of the following politicians do you trust?”

Fyodorov: I can tell you in advance that the president’s trust rating there is much, much higher, and there is no significant discrepancy between that number and the level of approval for the job the president is doing.

MAY 31, 2019

VITsOM published the results of the poll Fyodorov described. Putin’s trust rating was indeed significantly higher than open-ended polling had shown.


LATER THAT SAME DAY

Journalist: Today, VTsIOM published a new approval rating for Vladimir Putin that relied on a different methodology. Is the Kremlin satisfied with VTsIOM’s clarification and with the president’s new rating? Which evaluation methodology does the Kremlin trust more?

Peskov: The president does not have multiple approval ratings. The president has a single approval rating that is formulated according to how people evaluate the president’s work and the results of that work. And the rest, the methodology of our sociological services, that’s all secondary.