Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?

[andrewfi]

What is becoming more noticeable is the inability of the U.S. and its allies to manage a credible false flag operation. False flags are, as we know, the accepted manner by which the United States fabricated the required casus bellum. If the capability to create false flags has been lost that suggests a serious loss of military capability within the United States.

Chances are that the USA will simply set aside its own requirement for a casus bellum and simply attack desired targets without any kind of legal fig leaf.

[Manny]

Looks like the Iranians have shot down a US spy drone over their airspace.

Naturally the US claims it was in international airspace and was an act of aggression, blah blah.

Western media are recycling US press releases on the subject as fact.

RT coverage - as ever - seems to be fair and unbiased: https://www.rt.com/news/462277-iran-us-drone-message/

More meddling by Uncle Sam in places they have no business.

[Markje]

Looks like the Iranians have shot down a US spy drone over their airspace.

Naturally the US claims it was in international airspace and was an act of aggression, blah blah.

Western media are recycling US press releases on the subject as fact.

RT coverage - as ever - seems to be fair and unbiased: https://www.rt.com/news/462277-iran-us-drone-message/

More meddling by Uncle Sam in places they have no business.

If the drone crashed on solid land, it wasn' in international airspace, do the articles mention the crash-site?

[Contrarian]

Looks like the Iranians have shot down a US spy drone over their airspace.

Naturally the US claims it was in international airspace and was an act of aggression, blah blah.

Western media are recycling US press releases on the subject as fact.

RT coverage - as ever - seems to be fair and unbiased: https://www.rt.com/news/462277-iran-us-drone-message/

More meddling by Uncle Sam in places they have no business.

If the drone crashed on solid land, it wasn' in international airspace, do the articles mention the crash-site?

What happened to BillyB? 

The USA will get to the desired incident if they just hang around there long enough.

The US says the drone was 21 nautical miles out which is definitely International airspace.

[BillyB]

Our way of life has been under attack since the coup d’etat of September 11.

Everyone who has gone through an un Constitutional search and X ray exam at the airport knows this. Especially the elderly and young children who have been improperly groped by over zealous TSA folk.

The attack on our way of life and Liberty was immediate in the so-called Patriot Act, which gave unlimited spying powers and other powers to a government which was already out of control.

You think it's Bush's fault and not the terrorists?

Billy would like the USA to attack Iran on a questionable grainy video, but when a US ship was attacked without mercy for several hours, 34 Sailors were murdered in cold blood and over a hundred injured, Billy and his fellow blind “patriots” are silent.

Billy thinks it wrong for Iran to get nukes, but it’s okay for Israel to have them. Even though Israel doesn’t abide by International Law on nukes, that’s okay, BillyB and the other blind “patriots” believe the “chosen people” poppycock.

I don't want America to attack Iran based on ONE grainy video. I'd like the USA to attack Iran based on a lot of activity against America. Why is it hard for some of you guys to believe Iran attacks American interests? Everything is a false flag to you.

A few countries don't abide by international law on nukes such as India and Pakistan but America isn't harassing them. They aren't going to go crazy with nukes. Neither will Israel. Radical Muslims in Iran can go crazy. Some guys get to have a gun, some guys don't. Life ain't always fair.

Notice that BillyB minimizes the seriousness of deliberately faulty intel in the Gulf of Tonkin incident and he doesn’t even respond to the WMD fiasco.

The Army apologized to hundreds of veterans that were exposed to chemical weapons in Iraq and you think it was all made up. Saddam on his trial said he didn't have a nuke program but he bought material to give the impression to his enemies which included Iran, that he is more powerful and dangerous than they thought. If you hold up a fake gun to the cops, don't go blaming anyone else if you get shot.

https://www.vetshq.com/2015/03/army-apologizes-vets-affected-chemical-weapons-in-iraq/

How is it that the “mainstream” media failed to broadcast this?

It seems that a sarin gas attack in Syria was staged. Those who were reading this forum a year ago may recall that BillyB was gung ho for a war against Syria back then. He was certain that Assad was evil and that the USA had an obligation to invade Syria and depose Assad.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/bbc-shocks-douma-gas-attack-scene-staged-producer-says-after-6-month-syria

WOW!!! What a huge find! You found a guy on the internet that thinks like you so whatever you guys say must be true! Anyway the OPCW already found that chemical weapons were used in last years Syria attack.

https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2019/03/opcw-issues-fact-finding-mission-report-chemical-weapons-use-allegation

If the drone crashed on solid land, it wasn' in international airspace, do the articles mention the crash-site?

For the people here who believe the drone crashed in Iran's territory, land or water, keep me posted when they present drone parts evidence as only they have the right to recover the drone.

For the people here who think Trump is doing a false flag to enter into a war, state your critical thinking reasons.

[Contrarian]

Thankfully President Trump has more common sense than BillyB. Word is that an attack on Iran was planned, last minute Trump called it off.

I personally believe Trump wants to keep campaign promises and avoid war. Unfortunately he’s surrounded by warmongers in his cabinet like John Bolton who represents hardliners and the “military industrial complex”.

Trump had moved to ease tensions with Tehran by striking a starkly different tone from Bolton and other senior security aides. Calling the shootdown "a new wrinkle, a new fly in the ointment," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office he finds it "hard to believe it was intentional."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/21/politics/trump-military-strikes-iran/index.html

[Contrarian]

In a huge tragedy the Soviet Union downed a civilian aircraft and all 269 people aboard were killed. Reagan was President. While he had some harsh words for the Soviets he didn’t make a rash decision.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/korean-airlines-flight-shot-down-by-soviet-union

[cufflinks]

Thankfully President Trump has more common sense than BillyB. Word is that an attack on Iran was planned, last minute Trump called it off.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/21/politics/trump-military-strikes-iran/index.html

Instead of the Communist News Network CNN Reporting I prefer the Bloomberg Fascist Networks reports as Bloomberg still has a reputation to uphold - whereas the CommieNewsNet is what it is...

Trump Says He Scrapped Iran Strikes Because They Weren’t ‘Proportionate’
By Anthony Capaccio  and Jennifer Jacobs
June 20, 2019, 11:45 PM EDT Updated on June 21, 2019, 11:19 AM EDT
 Iran action by U.S. called off by Trump had limited targets
 Iran shot down U.S. drone after earlier attacks on tankers

Trump Makes U-Turn on Iran Attack, Administration Official Says

President Donald Trump said he called off retaliatory strikes on three Iranian sites following the downing of a U.S. Navy drone because the action would not have been “proportionate.”

“We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General,” Trump tweeted Friday. “10 minutes before the strike I stopped it.”

A commander in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps told a semi-official news agency Friday that the drone had been accompanied by a manned U.S. spy plane that Iranian forces decided not to target.

The planned U.S. attack, ordered after Iranian forces shot down a U.S. Navy drone over the Strait of Hormuz, would have involved airstrikes and was close to being carried out when it was stopped, said an administration official, who would not discuss whether the plan might still be revived. The official was granted anonymity to discuss a national security matter.

National Security Advisor John Bolton was pushing for the strike. Trump changed his mind based on some additional information, an official said. Iran was not given any warning of possible retaliation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-21/trump-approved-air-strikes-on-iran-then-pulled-back-nyt-says?srnd=premium

....On Monday they shot down an unmanned drone flying in International Waters. We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 21, 2019
With tensions still high, the Iranians called the Swiss ambassador, Markus Leitner, into the Foreign Ministry for talks. The Swiss embassy also represents U.S. interests in Iran, and the Swiss envoy traditionally serves as the conduit for messages between the two nations, which have no diplomatic relations. But Brian Hook, the U.S. special representative for Iran, told reporters the Iranians “continue to reject diplomatic overtures to deescalate tensions in the region.”

Read More: Airlines Avoid Strait of Hormuz as Iran-U.S. Tensions Escalate

In one of his Friday tweets, Trump said “I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world.”

Airstrikes would have raised the specter of a far broader conflict in the volatile region, which supplies one-third of the world’s oil. The move and its reversal underscore the wavering approach the president has shown at times regarding military force. He has repeatedly and fiercely lashed out at Iran and North Korea, but then cooled his rhetoric when hostilities threatened to erupt into open conflict. On two occasions since he took office, he has ordered limited military strikes on Syria.

West Texas Intermediate rose 0.9% to $57.17 a barrel.

Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Political Affairs Seyed Abbas Araghchi said the country had “indisputable” evidence the U.S. drone had violated Iranian air space, and state TV showed what it said were recovered parts of the downed aircraft. “The Islamic Republic of Iran would not hesitate for a moment to decisively defend its territory against any aggression,” Araghchi said in a statement released by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Friday.

One official insisted there was unanimity among Trump’s advisers on a response. Before the strike was called off, there were discussions Thursday about whether to heighten security and awareness at sensitive domestic sites, another official said.

Earlier Thursday, as the attack was being planned, Trump downplayed Iran’s strike on the U.S. Navy drone in the Persian Gulf that escalated regional tensions and fueled a surge in oil prices, suggesting a “loose and stupid” individual may have been responsible for the strike.

“I would imagine it was a general or somebody who made a mistake by shooting that drone down,” Trump said during an Oval Office meeting Thursday with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. “I find it hard to believe it was intentional. It could have been somebody who was loose and stupid.”

The operation was first reported by the New York Times, which said that Trump had pulled back as warplanes were in the air. Two U.S. officials disputed that part of the Times account. Warplanes weren’t en route to the strike when Trump called off the action, though ships and planes already deployed in the region were in position to carry it out, one of the officials said.

The White House declined to comment on the reports and an official at the State Department didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

The president is in an increasingly difficult position on Iran. His administration has blamed the Islamic Republic for a series of attacks in the Gulf region since mid-May, including one last week on two oil tankers, but with little consequence for Tehran. He’s shown a desire to project American power, yet during the 2016 election he promised to extricate the U.S. from foreign conflicts, an issue that’s sure to come up as his re-election campaign begins.

The U.S. has directed additional forces to the Middle East in recent weeks, but the numbers -- about 2,000 troops in total -- have been modest and haven’t come with clear indications of where they would be sent or what their mission would be. In some cases, forces already planned for deployment to the region had their arrival accelerated, while troops scheduled to depart saw their tours extended.

A military assault by the U.S. could have immediate and far-reaching consequences. With proxy forces or allies in countries including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen, among others, retaliation from Iran could come in many forms, targeting not just U.S. interests but Israel as well and raising the risk of disruptions to oil flows out of the wider Persian Gulf region.

With Iran “threatening the freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz,” Hook told reporters at a Saudi air base in Kharj, “it’s important that we deny Iran a foothold in the Gulf. It’s very important that we restore deterrence in this region.”

Read more: Trump Again Downplays Iranian Attack After Navy Drone Shot Down

The last time the U.S. launched a significant military effort against Iran was Operation Praying Mantis in 1988. In that operation, U.S. Navy ships sank two Iranian ships and destroyed two Iranian surveillance platforms.

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USS Samuel B. Roberts
The move came after the USS Samuel B. Roberts was damaged by a mine in the Persian Gulf.

Later that year, a U.S. Navy cruiser shot down an Iranian commercial aircraft on a scheduled flight in Iranian airspace, killing nearly 300 people. The U.S. expressed regret for the loss of life and said it mistakenly targeted the plane. Iran said it was a deliberate and illegal act.

During his time in office, Trump has ratcheted up economic sanctions on Iran as part of his “maximum pressure” campaign against the Islamic Republic. Yet he has also said he doesn’t want a war with Tehran and that he is hoping Iran will reach out to negotiate.

As tensions climbed on Thursday following the drone strike, regional analysts and lawmakers from both parties warned that the likelihood of a bigger confrontation could be looming, whether intentional or not.

“The president may not intend to go to war here but we’re worried that he and the administration may bumble into a war,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, told reporters Thursday after a briefing at the White House.

The top Republicans in the Senate and House both called separately for Trump to take a “measured” response to the Iranian actions.

Saudi Vice Minister of Defense Khalid bin Salman said he met with Hook, the U.S. special representative to Iran, to “explore the latest efforts to counter hostile Iranian acts and continuous escalation that threaten the region’s security and stability.” In a series of posts on Twitter, the minister affirmed Saudi Arabia’s support for the U.S. “maximum pressure campaign on Iran.”

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A RQ-4 Global Hawk drone.
The U.S. said the Global Hawk drone was flying in international airspace about 34 kilometers (20 miles) away from Iranian territory when it was shot down.

“This was an unprovoked attack on a U.S. surveillance asset in international airspace,” said Navy Captain Bill Urban, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command.

— With assistance by Justin Sink, Larry Liebert, and John Harney

[cufflinks]

If you want to know who is actually behind any Global Hostilities it is usually the City of London:

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[BillyB]

Thankfully President Trump has more common sense than BillyB. Word is that an attack on Iran was planned, last minute Trump called it off.

WRONG. Trump has more common sense than those here who implied he may have engaged in a false flag to start a war. I told you he wasn't going to start a war and I told you if he attacks Iran, it won't be enough to start a war.

Trump will eventually attack Iran because Iran is getting away with hostile acts and that will only encourage them to get away with more hostile acts. Trump will eventually learn doing nothing doesn't stop hostile acts.

[Contrarian]

Thankfully President Trump has more common sense than BillyB. Word is that an attack on Iran was planned, last minute Trump called it off.

WRONG. Trump has more common sense than those here who implied he may have engaged in a false flag to start a war. I told you he wasn't going to start a war and I told you if he attacks Iran, it won't be enough to start a war.

Trump will eventually attack Iran because Iran is getting away with hostile acts and that will only encourage them to get away with more hostile acts. Trump will eventually learn doing nothing doesn't stop hostile acts.

This folks is why the USA is in such a pickle...brainwashed “patriots” like BillyB who think the US has the right to act like the World’s policeman.

Further more Trump isn’t the one who would be ordering a #FalseFlag. This would be ordered by a bad actor on the World stage and it likely already was.

[Contrarian]

Our way of life has been under attack since the coup d’etat of September 11.

Everyone who has gone through an un Constitutional search and X ray exam at the airport knows this. Especially the elderly and young children who have been improperly groped by over zealous TSA folk.

The attack on our way of life and Liberty was immediate in the so-called Patriot Act, which gave unlimited spying powers and other powers to a government which was already out of control.

You think it's Bush's fault and not the terrorists?

Billy would like the USA to attack Iran on a questionable grainy video, but when a US ship was attacked without mercy for several hours, 34 Sailors were murdered in cold blood and over a hundred injured, Billy and his fellow blind “patriots” are silent.

Billy thinks it wrong for Iran to get nukes, but it’s okay for Israel to have them. Even though Israel doesn’t abide by International Law on nukes, that’s okay, BillyB and the other blind “patriots” believe the “chosen people” poppycock.

I don't want America to attack Iran based on ONE grainy video. I'd like the USA to attack Iran based on a lot of activity against America. Why is it hard for some of you guys to believe Iran attacks American interests? Everything is a false flag to you.

A few countries don't abide by international law on nukes such as India and Pakistan but America isn't harassing them. They aren't going to go crazy with nukes. Neither will Israel. Radical Muslims in Iran can go crazy. Some guys get to have a gun, some guys don't. Life ain't always fair.

Notice that BillyB minimizes the seriousness of deliberately faulty intel in the Gulf of Tonkin incident and he doesn’t even respond to the WMD fiasco.

The Army apologized to hundreds of veterans that were exposed to chemical weapons in Iraq and you think it was all made up. Saddam on his trial said he didn't have a nuke program but he bought material to give the impression to his enemies which included Iran, that he is more powerful and dangerous than they thought. If you hold up a fake gun to the cops, don't go blaming anyone else if you get shot.

https://www.vetshq.com/2015/03/army-apologizes-vets-affected-chemical-weapons-in-iraq/

How is it that the “mainstream” media failed to broadcast this?

It seems that a sarin gas attack in Syria was staged. Those who were reading this forum a year ago may recall that BillyB was gung ho for a war against Syria back then. He was certain that Assad was evil and that the USA had an obligation to invade Syria and depose Assad.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/bbc-shocks-douma-gas-attack-scene-staged-producer-says-after-6-month-syria

WOW!!! What a huge find! You found a guy on the internet that thinks like you so whatever you guys say must be true! Anyway the OPCW already found that chemical weapons were used in last years Syria attack.

https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2019/03/opcw-issues-fact-finding-mission-report-chemical-weapons-use-allegation

If the drone crashed on solid land, it wasn' in international airspace, do the articles mention the crash-site?

For the people here who believe the drone crashed in Iran's territory, land or water, keep me posted when they present drone parts evidence as only they have the right to recover the drone.

For the people here who think Trump is doing a false flag to enter into a war, state your critical thinking reasons.

Yes I think it’s Bush’s fault. Further more Bush is a terrorist. He participated in the 9/11 coverup and he should hang for treason, as well as Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and company.

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/515-fbi-sued-for-failure-to-report-known-9-11-evidence-to-congress

On top of the murder of nearly 3,000 Americans in the inside job which was 9/11 they deliberately invaded a sovereign foreign country on false pretenses, an additional act of terror. The USA took out Iraqi air defenses and then continued to bomb civilians, calling their murder “collateral damage”.

All the best journalists and the CIA agree there was no WMD yet here’s warmonger BillyB to tell us otherwise.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

General Mattis himself said there wasn’t any Sarin gas used by Syria, yet here’s war cheerleader to argue otherwise.

https://apnews.com/bd533182b7f244a4b771c73a0b601ec5

Like John McCain there isn’t a war Billy wouldn’t start if he had the chance. Immature Billy won’t be fighting and suffering in the next war but he hopes others will be.

[BillyB]

This folks is why the USA is in such a pickle...brainwashed “patriots” like BillyB who think the US has the right to act like the World’s policeman.

Further more Trump isn’t the one who would be ordering a #FalseFlag. This would be ordered by a bad actor on the World stage and it likely already was.

When you finally find a woman that wants to spend her life with you and someone is constantly throwing rocks at your house putting dents in the siding, breaking windows, hitting your kids, you can tell your wife you want to avoid confrontation and escalation. You can tell her you don't want to be a neighborhood cop and piss off the guy that's throwing rocks. Grow a pair.

[Contrarian]

The CIA did an exhaustive study as to whether there was any WMD in Iraq and they concluded there was not. Clearly this is upsetting to war cheerleader Billy who thinks I should “grow a pair”. 


CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

[cufflinks]

We should always follow the lead of our British betters - you know the ones who signed a peace treaty guaranteeing Peace in our Time with none other than Adolph Hitler...  hindsight being 20/20 perhaps they can let us know how that worked out - last I recall it cost them their entire Global Empire and now they kowtow to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese that are randomly arresting people in their former British Colony of Hong Kong with giant protests today as a matter of fact completely ignoring the 2045 Treaty with said same British Empire who have thrown the People of Hong Kong to the Chinese wolves...

Trump held out a Free Trade Agreement with the UK upon Brexit - and the UK basically shat on Trumps offer and are now making nice-nice with the Junkers Mengele er ah um Merkele gangs AGAIN.   Can't teach the Royalist Hounds new tricks.

I prefer the Reagan doctrine - Peace through Strength and Trust BUT Verify.

[BillyB]

The CIA did an exhaustive study as to whether there was any WMD in Iraq and they concluded there was not. Clearly this is upsetting to war cheerleader Billy who thinks I should “grow a pair”. 


CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

 MAN LANDS ON THE MOON!!!

Can we get some current news please? Your article was from 2005 and the CIA was wrong in their investigation on WMDs.

The military was sloppy handling chemical weapons they found in the Iraq war. Over 600 service members were exposed to chemical weapons, the same weapons Saddam was supposed to turn over after surrendering in the first Gulf War. Our government has been hiding their mistake for years but apparently they could not hide it forever since over 600 service members have illnesses related to the exposure of chemical weapons. I don't think you care about veterans since you're posting an article saying there was no WMDs in Iraq and sweeping them under a rug. You only care about veterans when it suits your narrative. You think those veterans who were exposed are lying?

https://www.rt.com/usa/203023-american-troops-chemical-weapons/

[Contrarian]

The CIA did an exhaustive study as to whether there was any WMD in Iraq and they concluded there was not. Clearly this is upsetting to war cheerleader Billy who thinks I should “grow a pair”. 


CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

 MAN LANDS ON THE MOON!!!

Can we get some current news please? Your article was from 2005 and the CIA was wrong in their investigation on WMDs.

The military was sloppy handling chemical weapons they found in the Iraq war. Over 600 service members were exposed to chemical weapons, the same weapons Saddam was supposed to turn over after surrendering in the first Gulf War. Our government has been hiding their mistake for years but apparently they could not hide it forever since over 600 service members have illnesses related to the exposure of chemical weapons. I don't think you care about veterans since you're posting an article saying there was no WMDs in Iraq and sweeping them under a rug. You only care about veterans when it suits your narrative. You think those veterans who were exposed are lying?

https://www.rt.com/usa/203023-american-troops-chemical-weapons/

Are you really so obtuse that you don’t know the difference between Weapons of Mass Destruction and older chemical weapons? Sad.

[BillyB]

Google is available. Use it before you give everybody the impression you're stupid.

weap·on of mass de·struc·tion
noun
plural noun: weapons of mass destruction
a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.

[msmoby]

Democracy for whom, at the terrorist state of Israel?

Tell that to the second class Palestinians, the Arabs of the West / East Bank, and of course the Ethiopian Jews and any other Non Jew Person too! 

Time for you to wake up.........to reality!

PS: I didn't see any photos from your advertised marriage in Cyprus.......

The more I read, today, about Famagusta ....  the more clear becomes what was your mission to Cyprus and Georgia. 

Wiz,

I keep asking you .. have you BEEN to Israel .. Do you know any Israeli Arabs ?

There's lots wrong ..Walls, Building on occupied land .. subjugation of Palestinians ... but do try to anser my point ..

[Contrarian]

Google is available. Use it before you give everybody the impression you're stupid.

weap·on of mass de·struc·tion
noun
plural noun: weapons of mass destruction
a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.

Everyone here already knows that you’re indeed stupid Billy. Nothing but a warmonger, eager to start WWIII.

Did you even pay attention to what candidate Trump said about the Iraq war? Are you really a Trump supporter, or did you, like Bush Jr vote for Hillary?

You do know that Bush Jr voted for Hillary, because he knows that Trump knows 9/11 was an inside job, don’t you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-iraq-world-trade-center-deep-state-abc-news-interview-a8962081.html%3famp

Of course not, you really are that out of touch.

Meanwhile you’re confusing the remains of older chemical weapons with recent made chemical weapons, which is what Bush Jr accused Saddam of.

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/10/twelve-years-later-u-s-media-still-cant-get-iraqi-wmd-story-right/

This is stuff Iraqi leaders did not know was left lying around. It was not a militarily significant capability that they were, as a matter of national policy, hiding.”

[BillyB]

You do know that Bush Jr voted for Hillary, because he knows that Trump knows 9/11 was an inside job, don’t you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-iraq-world-trade-center-deep-state-abc-news-interview-a8962081.html%3famp

You don't read or you aren't comprehending the articles you submit to the forum. Trump blamed Bush for 9/11 because he had the chance to take out Osama Bin Laden prior to the World Trade Center bombings. He's not blaming Bush for bombing the WTC like you are.

Meanwhile you’re confusing the remains of older chemical weapons with recent made chemical weapons, which is what Bush Jr accused Saddam of.

What part of turning over ALL the WMDs do you not understand? Saddam was supposed to turn them all over no exceptions. They are small, not as dangerous or old are not excuses. I have an Iraqi friend telling me the Iraqi military went into civilian homes hiding crates and telling families they will be killed if they talked. A guy on a forum had a military friend who went house to house in Iraq and found many of those crates. That soldier and that Iraqi I know have never met but they have the same story of crates of chemical weapons stored in civilian houses that are in violation of UN resolutions.

First you say there were no WMDs in Iraq although I presented articles and then you try to change the definition of WMDs. It was there. Use some critical thinking unless you want to call over 600 soldiers that died or are dying from exposure to chemical weapons liars.

[Contrarian]

Read the claims of Bush Jr prior to the invasion, again. The Bush regime did their best to imply that Saddam was trying to get Nukes. He wasn’t.

This YouTube video has been edited. In the original video Trump states that the buildings came down due to explosives.

[Contrarian]

You do know that Bush Jr voted for Hillary, because he knows that Trump knows 9/11 was an inside job, don’t you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-iraq-world-trade-center-deep-state-abc-news-interview-a8962081.html%3famp

You don't read or you aren't comprehending the articles you submit to the forum. Trump blamed Bush for 9/11 because he had the chance to take out Osama Bin Laden prior to the World Trade Center bombings. He's not blaming Bush for bombing the WTC like you are.

Meanwhile you’re confusing the remains of older chemical weapons with recent made chemical weapons, which is what Bush Jr accused Saddam of.

What part of turning over ALL the WMDs do you not understand? Saddam was supposed to turn them all over no exceptions. They are small, not as dangerous or old are not excuses. I have an Iraqi friend telling me the Iraqi military went into civilian homes hiding crates and telling families they will be killed if they talked. A guy on a forum had a military friend who went house to house in Iraq and found many of those crates. That soldier and that Iraqi I know have never met but they have the same story of crates of chemical weapons stored in civilian houses that are in violation of UN resolutions.

First you say there were no WMDs in Iraq although I presented articles and then you try to change the definition of WMDs. It was there. Use some critical thinking unless you want to call over 600 soldiers that died or are dying from exposure to chemical weapons liars.

You need to actually read the article I linked for you on WMD and Iraq. I can’t read it for you nor am I going to post the entire damn article and go through it line by line like I would with a Freshman in Jr HS.

You clearly have a desire to interpret information differently than others as a necessary function of promoting your propaganda. Consequently I’m not going to waste much more time with you.


The WMD that Saddam had remaining was inert or useless, this was covered by the Weapon’s inspectors rebuttal to Powell. That rebuttal utterly destroyed Powell';s every point. I heard it live on NPR yet couldn’t find it on the web and it wasn’t even covered by NPR in the evening news feed.

[BillyB]

This YouTube video has been edited. In the original video Trump states that the buildings came down due to explosives.

BS. You're imagining things again.

The WMD that Saddam had remaining was inert or useless, this was covered by the Weapon’s inspectors rebuttal to Powell.

Tell that to the to the faces over 600 American troops that died or are dying from chemical weapons exposure in Iraq. I don't think they are going to be nice to you.

[Contrarian]

The WMD that Saddam had remaining was inert or useless, this was covered by the Weapon’s inspectors rebuttal to Powell.

Tell that to the to the faces over 600 American troops that died or are dying from chemical weapons exposure in Iraq. I don't think they are going to be nice to you.

Your cynical attempts to use injured and dying soldiers as props in your argument is noted.

The fault for prosecuting an immoral unlawful war falls squarely on the shoulders of Bush, and the blind “patriots” who cheered him on.