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Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« on: June 13, 2019, 07:25:27 PM »
In a possible prelude to war we’re being told that Iran attacked two tankers early this morning, one of them a Japanese tanker. This is of course absurd, the Japanese PM just happens to be visiting Iran, the first time since 1979. This reminds me of the alleged gas attacks against civilians in Syria almost two years back.

Those gas attacks have turned out to be highly suspicious, as will these tanker attacks I believe. The usual suspect who has been beating war drums against Iran is the likely real perpetrator.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-iran-has-little-gain-oman-tanker-attacks
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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2019, 07:28:02 PM »
In a possible prelude to war we’re being told that Iran attacked two tankers early this morning, one of them a Japanese tanker. This is of course absurd, the Japanese PM just happens to be visiting Iran, the first time since 1979. This reminds me of the alleged gas attacks against civilians in Syria almost two years back.

Those gas attacks have turned out to be highly suspicious, as will these tanker attacks I believe. The usual suspect who has been beating war drums against Iran is the likely real perpetrator.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-iran-has-little-gain-oman-tanker-attacks


http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2019/june/13/persian-gulf-tanker-attack-iran-guilty-false-flag-cui-bono/
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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2019, 07:45:25 PM »
This speaks for itself. The usual warmonger opens his pie hole.

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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 08:27:34 PM »
In a possible prelude to war we’re being told that Iran attacked two tankers early this morning, one of them a Japanese tanker. This is of course absurd, the Japanese PM just happens to be visiting Iran, the first time since 1979.


Because it's absurd and people won't believe it, that is a perfect scenario to do the dirty deed.

IF evidence is found Iranian military hardware was used on those tankers and Japan believes it was Iran, then it's safe to say the evidence is credible. You and I don't get to see the evidence. Knowing Trump, he'll send a care package of missiles into Iran.

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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2019, 08:46:45 PM »
Apparently there is video evidence of Iran removing an unexploded mine from the Japanese tanker. They do care about Japan. It's possible they threw a bunch of mines in the water intending to hit a nation, that isn't their customer, ship. Customers are automatically signed up for the mine removal program.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-releases-video-it-claims-shows-iran-removing-unexploded-mine-from-gulf-tanker/ar-AACQs3Z?ocid=spartanntp

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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2019, 09:51:42 PM »
In a possible prelude to war we’re being told that Iran attacked two tankers early this morning, one of them a Japanese tanker. This is of course absurd, the Japanese PM just happens to be visiting Iran, the first time since 1979.


Because it's absurd and people won't believe it, that is a perfect scenario to do the dirty deed.

IF evidence is found Iranian military hardware was used on those tankers and Japan believes it was Iran, then it's safe to say the evidence is credible. You and I don't get to see the evidence. Knowing Trump, he'll send a care package of missiles into Iran.

As always you’re so gullible it’s tragic. But you’re also the typical American who won’t dig into what the media and war hawks are telling you to believe.

Hopefully Trump will resist all bogus provocations to start a war, which would quickly reverse all of the economic successes he’s worked so hard to achieve for the American people.
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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 11:27:30 PM »
As always you’re so gullible it’s tragic. But you’re also the typical American who won’t dig into what the media and war hawks are telling you to believe.


You're always digging for something that isn't there. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. Lets say two guys named America and Iran are in a room and are starving. There is one cookie in there and somebody ate it. America knows it wasn't him that ate it. Iran denies it. They both know the truth. Everybody on the outside of the room don't know for sure and they may never know. American then proceeds to punish Iran for not sharing the cookie.

Hopefully Trump will resist all bogus provocations to start a war, which would quickly reverse all of the economic successes he’s worked so hard to achieve for the American people.

There won't be war. Trump is not going to invade. The sky will not fall. Trump may send missiles and bombs but that is about it. Iran can't send land forces to America. They can't win a battle at sea or in the air against a carrier group. There may be a few skirmishes but there won't be war because Iran doesn't have the capability to fight America.




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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 01:24:10 AM »
Indeed Billy but we’ve all seen how war has changed. Flotillas of ships, battalions of men and squadrons of bombers don’t win wars anymore, especially if you can’t fight toe to toe.

If the US were to attack Iran, it would be attacked back in more stealthy, underworld ways and you know it. Battles aren’t fought on flat land, toe to toe with honor anymore.

Expect dirty bombs, hijackings, terrorism, kidknapping and all the other frustratingly impossible methods to combat, that can’t be stopped with a mighty army.

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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2019, 04:05:13 AM »
Huh?

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 'someone' is  attacking ships - 'someone' already declared war ..

What ghhas changed is those who start the shooting now deny it



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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2019, 04:29:27 AM »
The 'evidence' of Iran removing a 'mine' from the ship, from which they were busy rescuing the sailors, seems bogus. Here's a few reasons why:
1) If the device were a mine, as claimed, then why was it well above the waterline? The same is true if the device was a torpedo as per other claims.
2) Why is the evidence produced of such poor quality?
3) Getting petroleum products to catch fire is a very difficult task. Simply placing a bomb against the side of a vessel is, apparently, unlikely to do the job. To get the contents of the vessels to catch fire would almost certainly, even in the case of naphtha, require a second event. From what I understand, an external detonation that opened the tank of the target vessel would cause the contents to flow over the source of the explosion. This would, by itself, put out any fire, reduce temperatures below flashpoints and remove the required oxygen.
4) It is hard to imagine why the people claimed to have attacked the vessel would hang around to take people off the target vessel - they'd know that the first thing that would happen would be an accusation that they were the people who carried out the attack.

Something is going on, several Iranian vessels have mysteriously caught fire, while in port. It is clear that somebody is stirring the pot.

Why would any rational actor carry out attacks that they knew were going to create the outcomes that they really do not want to happen? To believe that Iran carried out these attacks one would have to have the reasoned and honest belief that Iran is actively seeking war with the United States. I'd invite anyone who thinks this to be the case to share with us just 3 verifiable, contextually relevant, pieces of evidence to support their case.
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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2019, 06:58:47 AM »
The 'evidence' of Iran removing a 'mine' from the ship, from which they were busy rescuing the sailors, seems bogus. Here's a few reasons why:
1) If the device were a mine, as claimed, then why was it well above the waterline? The same is true if the device was a torpedo as per other claims.
2) Why is the evidence produced of such poor quality?
3) Getting petroleum products to catch fire is a very difficult task. Simply placing a bomb against the side of a vessel is, apparently, unlikely to do the job. To get the contents of the vessels to catch fire would almost certainly, even in the case of naphtha, require a second event. From what I understand, an external detonation that opened the tank of the target vessel would cause the contents to flow over the source of the explosion. This would, by itself, put out any fire, reduce temperatures below flashpoints and remove the required oxygen.
4) It is hard to imagine why the people claimed to have attacked the vessel would hang around to take people off the target vessel - they'd know that the first thing that would happen would be an accusation that they were the people who carried out the attack.

Something is going on, several Iranian vessels have mysteriously caught fire, while in port. It is clear that somebody is stirring the pot.

Why would any rational actor carry out attacks that they knew were going to create the outcomes that they really do not want to happen? To believe that Iran carried out these attacks one would have to have the reasoned and honest belief that Iran is actively seeking war with the United States. I'd invite anyone who thinks this to be the case to share with us just 3 verifiable, contextually relevant, pieces of evidence to support their case.

Very well written.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2019, 07:01:57 AM »
As always you’re so gullible it’s tragic. But you’re also the typical American who won’t dig into what the media and war hawks are telling you to believe.


You're always digging for something that isn't there. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. Lets say two guys named America and Iran are in a room and are starving. There is one cookie in there and somebody ate it. America knows it wasn't him that ate it. Iran denies it. They both know the truth. Everybody on the outside of the room don't know for sure and they may never know. American then proceeds to punish Iran for not sharing the cookie.

Hopefully Trump will resist all bogus provocations to start a war, which would quickly reverse all of the economic successes he’s worked so hard to achieve for the American people.

There won't be war. Trump is not going to invade. The sky will not fall. Trump may send missiles and bombs but that is about it. Iran can't send land forces to America. They can't win a battle at sea or in the air against a carrier group. There may be a few skirmishes but there won't be war because Iran doesn't have the capability to fight America.


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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2019, 03:49:33 PM »
In other news researchers now say that it was Iran who sank the Titanic!

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Re: Gulf Tanker Attacks, False Flag or Real?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2019, 04:15:23 PM »
Whoops!


The Japanese owner of a tanker attacked in the Gulf of Oman claimed Friday that it was struck by a flying projectile, contradicting reports by U.S. officials and the military on the source of the blast.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1017556
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