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D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:59:09 AM »
D-Day… More Drama Than
a Decisive in World War II Victory


Stealing the laurels of victory was a necessary act of treachery by the Western powers in order to facilitate their Cold War against the Soviet Union. The same treachery continues today as Washington and its NATO allies try to wage a new Cold War against Russia.

US President Donald Trump called it the “greatest battle ever” while attending a 75th anniversary ceremony this week to mark the Western allied invasion of Nazi-occupied France.


Trump was joined by Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II and leaders from 15 other nations in the British harbor city of Portsmouth from where allied troops embarked for the beaches of Normandy on June 6, 1944.

Looking back, Operation Overlord was indeed a huge military and logistical undertaking. Some 150,000 troops from the US, Britain and Canada, among others, crossed the narrow English Channel in 7,000 vessels. It is recorded as the biggest military land invasion from sea.


Allied forces were met by Nazi firepower as they stormed the Normandy beaches. But in truth the Nazi defenses were easily overwhelmed. That’s largely because Hitler had already shifted the best fighting units months before to the Eastern Front where the Third Reich was really in a war for its survival against the Soviet Red Army. The D-Day casualty figures would attest that American, British and German deaths from the brief battles in Normandy were of the order of 10,000. Meanwhile, on the Eastern Front the casualties on both the German and Soviet sides were hundred-fold more, in the millions.

When the D-Day invasion was launched in June 1944, the pivotal battle at Stalingrad was long over, 16 months before that. The Wehrmacht was already being rolled back to German homeland. Some 90 per cent of all German military casualties – nearly six million soldier deaths – were to be inflicted on the Eastern Front fighting the Red Army.

The question remains: why did Western allies not launch their offensive on Nazi-occupied France much sooner? Soviet leader Josef Stalin had pleaded over the previous year with his American and British counterparts to do so on several occasions in order to relieve the Soviets. Did the Western allies finally act on D-Day because they could see that the Red Army was on the way to conquering all of Nazi Germany singlehandedly, and thus were motivated to claw some of the spoils? It was the Red Army that vanquished the Third Reich’s last stand in Berlin in May 1945. But the Soviet Union entered into a postwar carve-up of Germany with the US and Britain.

So, when President Trump talks about D-Day being the “greatest battle ever” he is being prone to unfounded exaggeration, relying on Hollywood fabulation than historical record.

There is little dispute that the opening of the Western Front did indeed help accelerate the final defeat of Nazi Germany. But it also indisputable that the greatest battles and decisive victories were achieved by the Soviet forces for the liberation of Europe from Nazi tyranny.

What we see in today’s celebration of the 75th anniversary of D-Day is more dramatics than actual historical reality. Official Western conceit pretends that that event was the key to defeating Nazi Germany.

Part of the reason is to arrogate a moral authority for Western states, which is hardly deserved. By claiming to have emancipated Europe from the scourge of totalitarian fascism, Western states are thereby given a political and moral cover to conduct their own otherwise blatant policies of aggression and militarism.

How many illegal wars and subterfuges have the US and its NATO allies, particularly Britain, carried out since the end of the Second World War? Some historians like the late William Blum, author of ‘Killing Hope’, or Mark Curtis, author of ‘Web of Deceit’, put the number in the hundreds. These genocidal, supreme crimes of aggression, are afforded an audacious moral license largely because these same aggressors continually invoke their supposed victory against Nazi Germany. The truth is that the US and its NATO allies have in many ways continued the same aggression of Nazi Germany in countless wars and covert operations around the world over the past seven decades. The genocides in Korea, Kenya, Malaya, Indonesia, Vietnam, Chile, Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, are just a few among many other US-UK atrocities.

The present looming conflicts involve the US threatening war and destruction against Iran and Venezuela based on transparently spurious pretexts. And yet Trump has the brass neck to eulogize during the D-Day commemorations this week about American forces standing up for “freedom and liberty”.

The US and its NATO allies are using the past and its presumed glories as a shield for their own criminal imperialism.

Dramatizing D-Day as an event is also crucial for the discrediting and demonizing of Russia, as it was previously with regard to the Soviet Union. Wouldn’t it have been appropriate to invite Russian leader Vladimir Putin to the D-Day events this week in order to pay respect to the colossal sacrifices of the Soviet people in defeating Nazi Germany?

The US and its transatlantic allies are necessarily reviving the Cold War in a bid to cut Russia out of their global power ambitions. The Western propaganda war has involved every means to smear and criminalize Russia as a “malign actor” or a “rogue authoritarian regime”.

Contemporary Western vilification, typically on flimsy grounds lacking proof, has tried to isolate and undermine Moscow over allegations of Crimea annexation, invasion of Ukraine, shooting down a Malaysian airliner, supporting a “butcher-dictator” in Syria, the alleged assassination of journalists and lawyers as promulgated by the US Magnitsky Act, poisoning of double-agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in an English park, doping of Olympic athletes, meddling in Western elections, subverting the European Union and NATO, and so on and on.

It is simply not feasible to push this maelstrom of propaganda narratives without also re-writing the history of the Second World War. The actual heroic role of the Soviet Union in decisively defeating Nazi fascism in Europe must, by necessity, be buried under the dramatized account of how Western allies purportedly “won the war”.

It is not just this year’s commemoration of D-Day that sees historical revisionism. That has been going on since the end of the Second World War when the British leader Winston Churchill and American counterpart Harry Truman coined the “special relationship” between Britain and the US, and then promptly launched the Cold War against their former wartime ally, the Soviet Union.

Stealing the laurels of victory was a necessary act of treachery by the Western powers in order to facilitate their dreadful Cold War against the Soviet Union. The same treachery continues today as Washington and its NATO allies try to wage a new and unjustifiable Cold War against Russia.


Original posted by:  Finian Cunningham on 6 June 2019 at www.strategic-culture.org

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2019, 09:29:03 AM »
^More revisionist propaganda from Wiz!
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2019, 09:43:45 AM »
Total Bollox

Stalin was moaning that the allies were not doing enough and the push up Italy slowed with the Germans took over.

Wiz,

Is your new hobby finding 'revisionist history'?



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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2019, 09:48:24 AM »
Had the allies not pushed from the west the V2 program would have been able to launch...the sites were overrun until out of range of the UK and the Belgian / French coast...

Need more examples?

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2019, 11:46:06 AM »
Wiz, Are you posting this as an alternative view or because you believe the article is accurate?
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 02:06:10 PM »
Wiz, Are you posting this as an alternative view or because you believe the article is accurate?
Since Wiz talks out of his arsehole it stands to reason that he has an upside down world view.
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2019, 06:32:23 PM »
When I read this very interesting article by “Finian CUNNINGHAM” that I came across, firstly read it, again, very carefully, checked a few important dates and other things and then decided to post it to see the reaction and comments of other member.

As I was expecting, the usual culprits and trolls jumped on the bandwagon and started decorating my person with various epithets and other comments, to ridicule my reason for posting the article but NONE of them provided any factual information and evident to support their comments.

Clearly none of these Trolls has any intention to accept any logical and chronologically justifiable comments made by the writer. I will go as far to say that I don’t believe any of them read the article in full.

Myself, I like to be objective with my comments but dealing with sheep/brainless or devious people, like these Trolls, I don’t expect they will take their blinkers off and start thinking by themselves because they can’t.


Confederate Is that all you have to say, where is your evidence?
I suggest you get out of your bunker, get some fresh air and find somebody to sharpen your pencil and brain together. Self gratification is very bad…. Look Moby!

Moby or Noby the only one who talks bollox it’s you. Told you many times stop playing … as too much of good time destroys the cells of your brain, whatever is left.

No it is not a new hobby but an old habit of mine looking for the truth and not take everything at face value and fall for the politicians lies, as you do!

Here something for you to see. Don’t forget to check all dates on the article and the videos, as your comments are out of line, simply lies.



In 1942, the Luftwaffe, aware of the development of a long-range rocket by the German army, began intensive development of a rival weapon, a ramjet Flying Bomb.

AvHdB I Suggest you read and pay attention to my comments to “Confed” and “Moby”, as they apply to you too.

Dogsoldier Zionist Troll or as you stated, describing your self “ A******e “ you are waste of space to this board offering nothing more than crap. You have never posted anything of interest so take a look to my avatar that I brought back just for idiots like you!



I am searching for the truth, that is not a bad thing…. Unlike you, brain dead sheeps!

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2019, 11:13:46 PM »
Wiz,

There is NOTHING in your articles about the V programmes that alters the fact that only having ground troops pushing east ( and putting the weapons out of range ) wasn't but one crucial reason for D-Day

I did tell you this was but one of the reasons for this latest example of examples of 'revisionist history' .


Let's now discuss the (bleeding obvious)  Nazi's having to defend on 3 fronts..East, West and South ( Italy)..as constantly requested by Stalin.

As territory was reclaimed ports like Cherbourg, Le Harvre, Rotterdam could be re-opened, to enhance the delivery of armour, ammunition, food and fuel. Railways could be used to transport eastwards...The Luftwaffe were a much reduced threat, as they lost bases and the ability to refuel / rearm.

Notwithstanding that freeing Allies capitals and territory was dealing massive blows to Nazi moral and the German people still supporting 'the cause'.



This 'brain dead sheep' has long understood your need to try to make your existence more interesting by following the lives of others ( who chose to reject your overtures of 'assistence')  a little too closely and enjoying creating an shyte storm by posting utter BS theories / history.. getting 'upset' when so easily busted.




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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2019, 07:46:51 AM »
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The only waste of space here is you, with all that arse stretching shyte you post.
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2019, 08:03:05 AM »
Wiz, because English is it your first language let me explain. The piece you posted is NOT reporting it is in fact an an opinion or editorial. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but being stupid is something one does as a teenager.

For what is worth F. Cunningham has the journalistic credentials of used toilet paper. In one review of his writings he is described as a Mumbler Jumbler peddler. The same can be used to describe Wiz. 
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2019, 01:33:15 PM »
E gads - amazing to see the Wizz banged out hard here even by Moby who still harbors some patriotism towards his homeland - the key takeaway about Wizzer and Finian is that both are clearly disciples of the Globalist Communist Manifesto.  Attitudes that reflect High Treason against the Crown and Country.

Even the modern Rooskies have rejected Soviet Communism.  Looks like that leaves the Communist Red Freaking Chinese as their Global Marxist Communist flag bearers.

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 01:45:09 AM »
Mikey,

Please understand..I was not being 'patriotic' by pointing out historical howlers..

I am against any totalitarian regime and one that poppets to be a 'democracy' and allows the 'winner' to be a candidate who won less votes in reality than the true winner;)

The 'Commies' are still running the show in (say) Russia and I seriously question THEIR election 'results', too...

Patriotism is for sports events....!

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2019, 04:24:59 PM »
Objectivity is out of the window from all of you.... and I have many times made clear my position about it. The only thing you care is to attack Wiz and destroy anything he is posting on this board.

Moby..... If only you knew how many things I have to do during my day.......you would be surprised....... unlike you taking a good rest in Highlands and playing with your Laptop till next assignment....... I understand that you also visit mother too.......but mostly you play with your PC.

Can any of you post in chronological order, when the Russians joined the war and what happen and of course when the Alllies made their attack on D-Day and what happened afterwards, until the TOTAL German Capitulation?

When we clarify the above then we can talk about who helped etc........and of course won the war!

Meanwhile Read this old article from August 2004 Did Russia win D-Day? by Eric Margolis of Canada  and Published on the NorthStar website:

https://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0408/dday.htm

Did Russia Win D-Day?

Sometimes from a vicious anti-Sovieteer comes the truth. This was written by Eric Margolis of Canada.

If the Soviet Union hadn’t chewed up millions of German soldiers and weapons, D-Day would have failed.

It’s high time that Russia was accorded recognition, especially during the last June celebrations in France on the occasion of the 60th Anniversary of the invasion of Normandy, France. Most North Americans believe that the US, Canadian and British invasion of Normandy was the decisive stroke of the war. Not so, in my view.

When the Allies invaded France, most of the war-battered German units they met were undermanned, short of armor, trucks, heavy artillery, almost immobile, and reduced to less that 40% combat effectiveness by previous hard fighting on the Eastern Front.

Most important, Germany’s once splendid air force was almost extinct. German forces at Normandy had almost no air cover and were pounded by the Allies day and night by thousands of Allied air strikes and bombers. Few of us recall that close to 20,000 innocent French civilians were killed by our bombing raids!

I am arguing that the German Wehrmacht was not defeated in France, but on the Eastern Front, during the 1941-44. The Red Army destroyed 507 German divisions, 48,000 German tanks and 77,000 German aircraft; 100 divisions of Nazi-allied Romanian, Hungary and Italy; and at least 450,000 Japanese soldiers, 32% of Japan’s total military losses.

Of Germany’s 10,000,000 casualties in World War II, over 75% came by fighting the Red Army. The German air force lost most of its planes and pilots on the Eastern Front. The gigantic battles on the Eastern Front ground down millions of lives.

Soviet Union lost over 20,000,000 people besides in the Pacific battles against Japan - they lost close to 1,000,000. D-Day was just a diversionary sideshow to tie down German troops while the Red Army pushed towards Berlin.

Some people may dispute this, but it is a historical fact that Germany’s military capability was destroyed way before the D-Day ever took place in June of 1944. It is interesting to speculate as to what would have happened to us in the West if Hitler did not invade USSR and if the Allies decided to land in Normandy to face the intact German machine! In my view, the Allies would have been beaten.

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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2019, 04:51:38 PM »
Wiz, Two questions.

Which country provided serious weapons to Russia during the 2nd World War?

Which country neutralized the Germans air superiority?

Bear in mind during the purges in The Soviet Union there was no effective military leadership at the beginning of the 2nd World War.
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Re: D-Day… More Drama Than Decisive in World War II Victory
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2019, 05:19:25 PM »
Wiz, Two questions.

Which country provided serious weapons to Russia during the 2nd World War?

Which country neutralized the Germans air superiority?

Bear in mind during DUE TO the purges in The Soviet Union there was no effective military leadership at the beginning of the 2nd World War.


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