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US Fake News on Ukraine
« on: June 02, 2019, 02:49:09 PM »
Russia prevented you from stealing Crimea and gaining full control of Ukraine


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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2019, 03:03:56 PM »
Russia prevented you from stealing Crimea and gaining full control of Ukraine




I'm pleased you found an amusing meme to circumvent discussion, Bill.

Covered in detail in posts passim here, Bill. But to remind you, the US backed coup in Kiev that ousted the democratically elected leader caused Donbass to break away and Crimea to reunify with Russia, later cemented by a people's vote. Had that not have happened, the new regime in Kiev would have ended Russia's tenure of Sevastopol and by now the USS Hamburger would be sitting there. Thus, Russia prevented the US gaining full control of Ukraine. The US now controls by proxy what remains. Glad to help.  tiphat
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 03:59:58 PM »
Russia prevented you from stealing Crimea and gaining full control of Ukraine




I'm pleased you found an amusing meme to circumvent discussion, Bill.

Covered in detail in posts passim here, Bill. But to remind you, the US backed coup in Kiev that ousted the democratically elected leader caused Donbass to break away and Crimea to reunify with Russia, later cemented by a people's vote. Had that not have happened, the new regime in Kiev would have ended Russia's tenure of Sevastopol and by now the USS Hamburger would be sitting there. Thus, Russia prevented the US gaining full control of Ukraine. The US now controls by proxy what remains. Glad to help, the topic here is North Korea.  tiphat

Funny but actual Ukrainians don’t agree with your bizarre propaganda.

Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor, an actual Holocaust. Ukrainians have been trying to get liberty from the bully to the east for a good one hundred years. Moscow planned for at least a decade to steal Crimea and due to the Trojan city of Sevastopol and large cargo planes filled to the brim with Russian soldiers they pulled it off quickly.

Donbas hasn’t gone so well, first Russian troops took out MH17 in an act of sheer terror, bragged about it on Twitter but then quickly deleted the tweets. Russia faced losing the battle of Debaltseve so they called in heavy artilary from Russia. Ukrainians know what’s up despite the nonstop lies of Russia.  :coffeeread:
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2019, 04:22:21 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor, an actual Holocaust. Ukrainians have been trying to get liberty from the bully to the east for a good one hundred years.

Ukraine has repeatedly chosen to seek closer ties with the West. The meddling in Ukraine affairs by Russia is centuries old. Some need to get over it.

As for the ex-criminal kleptomaniac he can enjoy his Russian hospitality. Good riddance that he is no longer an actor in Kivy.
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 04:55:26 PM »
Funny but actual Ukrainians don’t agree with your bizarre propaganda.

Apart from the 97% or so in Crimea that voted to reunite with Russia?

Apart from the huge chunk of area to the east that has since broken away from America's Kiev's control?

Are "actual" Ukrainians just those that agree with the US backed coup in Fox/CNN land? The others that lean towards Russia are (or were) not "actual" Ukrainians then?  :-\
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 05:01:22 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 06:03:59 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat

V. Putin has never made any apologies or accepted any responsibility for the Holodomor. In fact he has lamented the collapse of the Soviet Union. His admiration of V. Lenin and J. Stalin are well documented.
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Re: Real News on Ukraine
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 06:16:17 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat

V. Putin has never made any apologies or accepted any responsibility for the Holodomor. In fact he has lamented the collapse of the Soviet Union. His admiration of V. Lenin and J. Stalin are well documented.

Exactly!
 
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Re: Real News on Ukraine
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 06:21:59 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat

What planet do you live on? You know you sound a lot like Moby now, alternate Universe type stuff.

Whether it was Soviet Russia or now the Russian Federation means diddly squat. It’s the same chauvinistic imperialistic attitude that Ukraine doesn’t like or appreciate. Putin has done his best to rehabilitate one of the greatest mass murderers in history, specifically Stalin. Which totally destroys your argument.

Don’t let reality get in the way of your propaganda though!  :'(
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 11:26:46 PM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat

V. Putin has never made any apologies or accepted any responsibility for the Holodomor. In fact he has lamented the collapse of the Soviet Union. His admiration of V. Lenin and J. Stalin are well documented.

May I remind you that Stalin's mother was a Jew.......and Stalin expelled 1 million Jews on the East end of Siberia.... and told them to create the Republic of Birobizan...........how many are there now?    Only 1000 jews the rest went to Israhel.

BTW why should Putin apologise for the "Holodomor"...... he wasn't born at the time.........and was not his problem!

Russia started recovering after Putin got rid of the Jews... Berezovsky, Hardacofski etc.....

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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2019, 03:11:43 AM »
Always amusing to read Wiz' revisionist history ..esp. re Jews and Manny's constant ( fabrication) re the 'referendum ' result in Crimea...
Manny us clearly after citizenship from VVP ...such is the  BS he peddles and when trying to ensure factual reality is shuffled off to hidden corners...

As for Wiz, Stalin tried to get Jews moved to the far East to counter Zionists and even with enforced relocations failed spectacularly.

Anyone still thinking Wiz might have a point....Read here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism?wprov=sfla1

Folks get judged by what they do / did, their actions ...Wiz...not what some revisionist historians might suggest.

It came out ..in 1956... how Lenin had lost trust in Stalin, but was too weak to act.

Stalin covered up Lenin's letters...slowing worry about Stalin's anti Semite leanings.

You should visit Gori..  Stalin's Museum...it is interesting that some photos and letters of Stalin's are not translated into English..

On reading them...one can see why....

A horrible man...period. Not too many Georgians are proud of his exploits and the Museum is worth a visit to decide for yourself.

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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2019, 04:44:55 AM »
AvHdB, there is good reason to admire some of the achievements of both Lenin and Stalin without at the same time admiring the person. I think that if you go back and have a look at what Mr Putin has actually said, that you will find this to be the case. I get the faint stench of a purposefully dishonest 'sharing' going on in your post above.

To take my point in a slightly different context. I do not like mushrooms, I try to avoid eating them whenever possible - except in one particular case: I love a good chicken and mushroom pie. Without the mushrooms, the pie is imperfect, bland, unwholesome. I doubt I will ever like mushrooms except in this context.

You could not, in all honesty, extend this limited admiration as a statement that I admired mushrooms in all contexts, that would simply be untrue. In general, the pairing of mushrooms with chicken in a chicken and mushroom pie is widely admired by pie aficionados so we can infer that I am not unusual in this regard.

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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2019, 05:06:52 AM »
Ukrainians have been bullied and literally starved by the Millions by Russia during the Holodomor,

Holodomor was 1932.

The Russian Federation we have today was formed in 1991.

But hey, as long as you can say "Russia" is a baddie it's no sweat going back 59 years before the RF was formed, right? A prime example of US Fake News right there.   tiphat

V. Putin has never made any apologies or accepted any responsibility for the Holodomor. In fact he has lamented the collapse of the Soviet Union. His admiration of V. Lenin and J. Stalin are well documented.

May I remind you that Stalin's mother was a Jew.......and Stalin expelled 1 million Jews on the East end of Siberia.... and told them to create the Republic of Birobizan...........how many are there now?    Only 1000 jews the rest went to Israhel.

BTW why should Putin apologise for the "Holodomor"...... he wasn't born at the time.........and was not his problem!

Russia started recovering after Putin got rid of the Jews... Berezovsky, Hardacofski etc.....

Nastarovya..... sunshine!



I am not sure what Stalin's mother has to do with this discussion, but she certainly did a piss poor job raising her son.

The greater issue is in the United States there are a number of less than admirable moments in history, the internment of  The Japanese and the treatment of Native Americans are two examples. Presidents and administrations have apologized and even paid retribution. What is typical of your entitled attitude and unwillingness to except any responsibility that is so sickening.
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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2019, 05:21:29 AM »
Funny but actual Ukrainians don’t agree with your bizarre propaganda.

Apart from the 97% or so in Crimea that voted to reunite with Russia?

Apart from the huge chunk of area to the east that has since broken away from America's Kiev's control?

Are "actual" Ukrainians just those that agree with the US backed coup in Fox/CNN land? The others that lean towards Russia are (or were) not "actual" Ukrainians then?  :-\

It’s the term ‘actual Ukrainians’ that’s misleading. During my travels to the south east, from Zap to Donetsk, all the actual Ukrainians I met spoke Russian and pretty much though themselves as Russian. I remember being quite surprised.

Clearly I didn’t speak to everyone but it seemed to me that the general attitude towards Russia was positive.

My wife often says that she’s glad the USSR collapsed but speaks fondly of The RF. The 2 aren’t the same unless you live in Idaho.

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Re: US Fake News on Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2019, 05:56:39 AM »
AvHdB, there is good reason to admire some of the achievements of both Lenin and Stalin without at the same time admiring the person. I think that if you go back and have a look at what Mr Putin has actually said, that you will find this to be the case. I get the faint stench of a purposefully dishonest 'sharing' going on in your post above.

Classic andrewfi ..

Even admires  amass murderer like Stalin ..