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Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« on: April 21, 2019, 12:02:19 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2019, 12:14:37 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, the Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2019, 01:58:27 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

No joke. I am an absolute fan of Zelensky during many years.

Happy for Ukrainians who voted for a change - and made it in a civilized and peaceful manner.

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This is another nail out of Putin's throne - because one of the favourite phrases of Putin's propagandists ("if not Putin - then you will get the same chaos, like in Ukraine!") will not be valid anymore.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2019, 02:20:47 PM »
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2019, 02:49:36 PM »

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2019, 05:27:06 PM »

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.
My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2019, 05:56:22 PM »

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.
My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad

Kolomoisky (sp?)
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2019, 06:34:47 PM »
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2019, 06:36:13 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

Almost as bizarre as America electing a reality TV star as president.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2019, 07:05:36 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

Almost as bizarre as America electing a reality TV star as president.

Trump was a well known businessman well before doing a TV show.  Well if we can elect Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor of California anything is possible!

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2019, 07:05:48 PM »
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.
I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join voulentary.. Just a thought.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2019, 09:15:53 PM »
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.
I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join voulentary.. Just a thought.

It takes at least two to decide to end a war. If the new prez decides to take Ukraine on the path to the West, the war will never end. If the new prez takes Ukraine on the path to Russia, Putin will tell the rebels to back off.

Although Ukrainians felt there was rampant corruption in their government, Poroshenko is a better man than they thought. He didn't rig the elections to win. With free elections, hopefully they will see the same success as Poland in the post Soviet years.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2019, 11:26:19 PM »
What world do you live in Billy?
Is it one where rainbow colored unicorns shit chocolate ice cream?

Poroshenko was all over the election. But it isn't possible to overturn a 40% delta. One can get away with a few percent, not more.

Outside the ballot box there was all sorts of stuff going on, including suggestions from Poroshenko operatives that Zelensky was a Russian project, complete with 'leaked emails'. It might have been believable had it not been so badly done.

Given the circumstances, if Zelensky is not already a stalking horse for somebody, and as I alluded a couple of weeks ago, that's likely to be Kolomoiski, then he soon will be. He does not have a team with the knowledge or connections to avoid falling under the control of external forces.

Assuming that he is, right now, independent will need to choose a team and that team will control him. When one chooses advisors and enforcers one has to accept what they say and do because one person can not run an entire political mechanism or country. Look at Trump to see that in action. Trump was vastly more experienced and demonstrably better at running a large organisation than is Zelensky but he has been tied down by his advisors at every turn.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2019, 11:40:32 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2019, 11:55:43 PM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

This does rather go to show that the masters in Ukraine either have a great sense of humour or absolutely no respect for the sheeple they own. (possibly both). At the same time, it shows just how corrupt the entire system is. Not one person running who was not a thief or paid pretender. And Ukrainians had to choose from such a field of contenders.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2019, 01:57:47 AM »

I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join volentary.  Just a thought.

This is exactly what Zelensky wants to do. Instead of blaming DNR & LNR people for being "separatists" and screaming that they all shall be exterminated, he plans to start a massive propaganda saying "You're Ukrainians, you're "ours", we're waiting for you, please come back".
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2019, 02:05:14 AM »

My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad

*I* suggested this MIGHT be the case  ( on the other thread) ..

*You* told me you hadn't heard that  :chuckle:


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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2019, 04:15:36 AM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

You don't have a clue do you?


Perhaps you didn't know that he was financed by a Jewish oligarch (Kolomoisky) that lives in Israel.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2019, 04:56:55 AM »

I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join volentary.  Just a thought.

This is exactly what Zelensky wants to do. Instead of blaming DNR & LNR people for being "separatists" and screaming that they all shall be exterminated, he plans to start a massive propaganda saying "You're Ukrainians, you're "ours", we're waiting for you, please come back".

Propaganda is not needed. He has already stated that he has no intention of abiding by the agreements already made with the DPR/LPR in concert with the EU and Russia as co-signatories. There is also no intention to treat the people as Ukrainians by paying the people's pensions or carrying out the normal administration of a state for its citizens by providing passports, birth certificates, and death certificates.

If his new administration carries out the obligations of the state to citizens and starts to abide by the agreements made with those people then propaganda will not be needed. The framework for restoration of the DPR/LPR to the rump of Ukraine is already agreed, it merely lacks in implementation from the Ukrainian government. Crimea is, of course, a different matter. In Crimea, the people have spoken, made a clear choice and are implementing the choice every day.

As is so often the case, actions will speak louder than words.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2019, 08:14:26 AM »
Propaganda is not needed.
He has already stated that he has no intention of abiding by the agreements already made with the DPR/LPR in concert with the EU and Russia as co-signatories.
There is also no intention to treat the people as Ukrainians by paying the people's pensions or carrying out the normal administration of a state for its citizens by providing passports, birth certificates, and death certificates.

When and where he said that? Do you have a link, please?
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2019, 08:41:20 AM »
This is by the by. The breakaway regions have left what remains of Ukraine. I doubt they’ll be returning after being shelled by them the last year or two.

They broke away because they wanted to. If the new bloke is Jewish and being financed from Israel, that means it’s quite likely the US is behind it again. Different puppet, same puppet master. No change there then. Just the illusion of democracy; like Brexit.

TV personality becomes prez, just like the US. You couldn’t make it up.

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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2019, 09:26:38 AM »
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

You don't have a clue do you?


Perhaps you didn't know that he was financed by a Jewish oligarch (Kolomoisky) that lives in Israel.

You’re the one who doesn’t have a frigging clue, just who do you think are the puppet masters controlling our media and controlling US foreign policy?

Do you even read any material by real journalists?
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2019, 01:21:54 PM »
Olga, he has said that he intends to follow the current administrative policies with regard to LPR/DPR so, that means abrogation of the Minsk Accord and no payments to Ukrainian citizens in the DPR/LPR and none of the normal support of citizens. If you need to find something to support the opposite contention I would be as interested as you to see it.

Sadly, you are hoping for something that does not exist.
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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2019, 09:48:38 PM »
Poroshenko was all over the election. But it isn't possible to overturn a 40% delta. One can get away with a few percent, not more.


Get away with a few percent? Assad and Saddam Insane routinely got 100% or near that in every one of their elections. There's ways to get away with more than a few percent.

Crimea is, of course, a different matter. In Crimea, the people have spoken, made a clear choice and are implementing the choice every day.


Votes like the one in Crimea are illegal in most nations. In every election of every nation some region doesn't get the leader they want and threaten to leave. Ukraine's Constitution Article 73 prevents that. If borders are to be changed, everyone in the nation gets to vote on that, not those living in the region that wants to leave.


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Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2019, 02:50:53 AM »
I doubt they’ll be returning after being shelled by them the last year or two.



Thanks, for once more providing your intimate knowledge of the region

There are many viewpoints and competing factions within the 'rebel' regions and not all even wanted to 'leave' Ukraine ..

Doubt me ? HOW many 'leaders' have their been ?


 

 

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