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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2019, 06:55:39 AM »
confederate, where did you get the idea the Assange is a rapist? Has there been a trial of which we are unaware, or does it suit you to just make stuff up?

Obviously if he had been a moral man who had honored the woman’s wishes and not treated her as a dumpster she would not have charged him with rape.

Would an honest man flee the scene, especially considering he had the financial assets to defend himself in a court of law?
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2019, 08:58:22 AM »
A journalist I know wrote this article on the Julian Assange situation. I think I agree with pretty much everything he wrote on the subject, you can read it here: R.I.P. Julian Assange: The Annoying Australian Will Be Quite a Catch for Trump

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2019, 09:11:33 AM »
A journalist I know wrote this article on the Julian Assange situation. I think I agree with pretty much everything he wrote on the subject, you can read it here: R.I.P. Julian Assange: The Annoying Australian Will Be Quite a Catch for Trump

Manny, A very well written article. Worth the read. Av
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2019, 09:30:39 AM »
A journalist I know wrote this article on the Julian Assange situation. I think I agree with pretty much everything he wrote on the subject, you can read it here: R.I.P. Julian Assange: The Annoying Australian Will Be Quite a Catch for Trump

Manny, A very well written article. Worth the read. Av

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2019, 11:14:26 AM »
confederate, where did you get the idea the Assange is a rapist? Has there been a trial of which we are unaware, or does it suit you to just make stuff up?

Obviously if he had been a moral man who had honored the woman’s wishes and not treated her as a dumpster she would not have charged him with rape.

Would an honest man flee the scene, especially considering he had the financial assets to defend himself in a court of law?

He raped noone and the complaint was settled. The court never even needed Assange to show up for this to end. Which it did by now.

The sole reason for his arrest was because the USA wanted him in chains. That was also the reason Assange did not want to face prison despite his very generous wealth
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2019, 11:47:13 AM »
confederate, where did you get the idea the Assange is a rapist? Has there been a trial of which we are unaware, or does it suit you to just make stuff up?

Obviously if he had been a moral man who had honored the woman’s wishes and not treated her as a dumpster she would not have charged him with rape.

Would an honest man flee the scene, especially considering he had the financial assets to defend himself in a court of law?

He raped noone and the complaint was settled. The court never even needed Assange to show up for this to end. Which it did by now.

The sole reason for his arrest was because the USA wanted him in chains. That was also the reason Assange did not want to face prison despite his very generous wealth


Your attempt to explain away his behavior sounds fishy. As a journalist he was most protected and safest in Sweden, yet he chose to be a prisoner in the UK, one of the least safest places for anyone releasing top secret information on either the US or the UK.

This begs the question, is the UK our bit*# or are we theirs?  :coffeeread:
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2019, 03:56:16 PM »
* a) Are you aware how WikiLeaks receive documents from whistleblowers?
 
  b) Is WikiLeaks legal?

  c) The legal status of WikiLeaks is complex. Assange considers WikiLeaks a protection intermediary. ... The group located its headquarters in Sweden because it has one of the world's strongest laws to protect confidential source-journalist relationships. WikiLeaks has stated it does not solicit any information.


Remember the recent American arrest in Russia because he accepted a flash drive containing Russian State Secrets? Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws. Whether or not a nation wants to go after the receiver is dependent on the nation. Some nations want to imprison the receiver. Some nations will attempt to assassinate the receiver. Wikileaks receives a lot of info and puts it out there for all to see. In most nations eyes, Wikileaks is worse than the guy that delivers the info since the deliverer isn't as good a distributer.

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2019, 04:11:50 PM »
* a) Are you aware how WikiLeaks receive documents from whistleblowers?
 
  b) Is WikiLeaks legal?

  c) The legal status of WikiLeaks is complex. Assange considers WikiLeaks a protection intermediary. ... The group located its headquarters in Sweden because it has one of the world's strongest laws to protect confidential source-journalist relationships. WikiLeaks has stated it does not solicit any information.


Remember the recent American arrest in Russia because he accepted a flash drive containing Russian State Secrets? Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws. Whether or not a nation wants to go after the receiver is dependent on the nation. Some nations want to imprison the receiver. Some nations will attempt to assassinate the receiver. Wikileaks receives a lot of info and puts it out there for all to see. In most nations eyes, Wikileaks is worse than the guy that delivers the info since the deliverer isn't as good a distributer.

A valid comparison. One could argue that the man captured in Moscow and J. Assange are not the same. But the accusations are the same.

I think everything will become very interesting when is J. Assange arrives in America.
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2019, 05:33:28 PM »
* a) Are you aware how WikiLeaks receive documents from whistleblowers?
 
  b) Is WikiLeaks legal?

  c) The legal status of WikiLeaks is complex. Assange considers WikiLeaks a protection intermediary. ... The group located its headquarters in Sweden because it has one of the world's strongest laws to protect confidential source-journalist relationships. WikiLeaks has stated it does not solicit any information.

1) Remember the recent American arrest in Russia because he accepted a flash drive containing Russian State Secrets?

2) Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws. Whether or not a nation wants to go after the receiver is dependent on the nation. Some nations want to imprison the receiver. Some nations will attempt to assassinate the receiver.

3) Wikileaks receives a lot of info and puts it out there for all to see. In most nations eyes, Wikileaks is worse than the guy that delivers the info since the deliverer isn't as good a distributer.

1) Sorry but I am not aware of this case...... enlighten me please!

2) I am aware of the The Official Secrets Act in the UK which the USA copied... State secrets privilege but your statement "Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws". ....... it's wrong or if you know better.... please prove it to us.

The rest of your statement it's only an effort to justify the American Actions and pursuit of the receiver.... in this case Wiki Leaks, because of the embarrassment in disclosing the American war secrets and murderous actions against people of another country!

3) Your statement it's simply bollocks and the line you are fed by your own Government and your Anglo-Zionist controlled Media.

Do you really expect the Europeans to accept such rubbish coming from your new Country USA to satisfy the Narrative of your Administration and its beneficiaries?

In Europe the people don't have the same habit, as in the US to accept all the lies the governments ares pedling out!

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2019, 05:48:07 PM »
Your statement it's simply bollocks and the line you are fed by your own Government and your Anglo-Zionist controlled Media.
Wiz fairly soon we all be in your view point Zionist trolls/agents. Really you need to considering both sides of the 'coin' and look at the big picture.
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2019, 07:03:24 PM »
Your statement it's simply bollocks and the line you are fed by your own Government and your Anglo-Zionist controlled Media.
Wiz fairly soon we all be in your view point Zionist trolls/agents. Really you need to considering both sides of the 'coin' and look at the big picture.

I suggest you learn how to read correctly before making any silly comments.

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2019, 09:16:11 PM »

1) Sorry but I am not aware of this case...... enlighten me please!

2) I am aware of the The Official Secrets Act in the UK which the USA copied... State secrets privilege but your statement "Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws". ....... it's wrong or if you know better.... please prove it to us.

The rest of your statement it's only an effort to justify the American Actions and pursuit of the receiver.... in this case Wiki Leaks, because of the embarrassment in disclosing the American war secrets and murderous actions against people of another country!

3) Your statement it's simply bollocks and the line you are fed by your own Government and your Anglo-Zionist controlled Media.

Do you really expect the Europeans to accept such rubbish coming from your new Country USA to satisfy the Narrative of your Administration and its beneficiaries?

In Europe the people don't have the same habit, as in the US to accept all the lies the governments ares pedling out!

 :coffeeread:

1) Here's the article of the American attending a wedding but met a Russian he was communicating with on social media while in Moscow. At the hotel room, he was given a flash drive and was quickly arrested during the exchange. Russia never arrested the guy who gave him a flash drive so apparently it was a set up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/01/us/russia-detains-us-citizen-paul-whelan/index.html

2) Links below shows one who receives info that can harm America is a criminal offense. America rarely goes after it's own journalists if they accept that kind of info.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/receiving-documents-and-information-from-government-sources

Link below shows one who publishes classified info is guilty of criminal offense. Assange is definitely guilty of that.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

3) Bollocks, no. True story, yes.

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2019, 01:43:32 AM »

1) Sorry but I am not aware of this case...... enlighten me please!

2) I am aware of the The Official Secrets Act in the UK which the USA copied... State secrets privilege but your statement "Receiving State secrets from any nation makes the receiver in violation of that nation's laws". ....... it's wrong or if you know better.... please prove it to us.

The rest of your statement it's only an effort to justify the American Actions and pursuit of the receiver.... in this case Wiki Leaks, because of the embarrassment in disclosing the American war secrets and murderous actions against people of another country!

3) Your statement it's simply bollocks and the line you are fed by your own Government and your Anglo-Zionist controlled Media.

Do you really expect the Europeans to accept such rubbish coming from your new Country USA to satisfy the Narrative of your Administration and its beneficiaries?

In Europe the people don't have the same habit, as in the US to accept all the lies the governments ares pedling out!

 :coffeeread:

1) Here's the article of the American attending a wedding but met a Russian he was communicating with on social media while in Moscow. At the hotel room, he was given a flash drive and was quickly arrested during the exchange. Russia never arrested the guy who gave him a flash drive so apparently it was a set up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/01/us/russia-detains-us-citizen-paul-whelan/index.html

2) Links below shows one who receives info that can harm America is a criminal offense. America rarely goes after it's own journalists if they accept that kind of info.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/receiving-documents-and-information-from-government-sources

Link below shows one who publishes classified info is guilty of criminal offense. Assange is definitely guilty of that.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

3) Bollocks, no. True story, yes.


You’ll have to forgive Wiz, his plumbing is backed up. When that happens apparently deep confusion sets in.  :laugh:
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2019, 10:36:42 AM »
1) Here's the article of the American attending a wedding but met a Russian he was communicating with on social media while in Moscow. At the hotel room, he was given a flash drive and was quickly arrested during the exchange. Russia never arrested the guy who gave him a flash drive so apparently it was a set up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/01/us/russia-detains-us-citizen-paul-whelan/index.html
1) I read your above link from CNN and there is not much information about what exactly happened. I also read  Washington Post, Moscow times and BBC but none has clear information.

I understand that  Mr Paul Whelan has 3 different citizenships,  British, Canadian and Irish nationality, joined the Marine Reserves in 1994 and rose to the rank of staff sergeant in 2004. He served in Iraq for several months in 2004 and 2006.  So he was a mercenary paid to do your dirty work!

From the BBC: "He was convicted in a 2008 court martial on charges related to larceny (theft) and received a bad-conduct discharge. Details of the charges have not been made public."

The Russian followed the International procedure and informed the Embassy. Your Ambassador visited him and he appeared to the court where he was accused of spying! No more news after that.

Looks like the Russians take revenge for Maria Butina who is still in prison in the US.

All I have to say is: Russia and America have played the same game and traded spying allegations at regular intervals since the Cold War. Today relations between the 2 countries, because of allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 US presidential election, have plummeted.

2) Links below shows one who receives info that can harm America is a criminal offense. America rarely goes after it's own journalists if they accept that kind of info.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/receiving-documents-and-information-from-government-sources

Link below shows one who publishes classified info is guilty of criminal offense. Assange is definitely guilty of that.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

2) All your links and information you posted APPLY ONLY TO USA.

Take a look to your last link........

Receiving Documents and Information from Government Sources

At the bottom of the article states clearly: 

Jurisdiction: then below gives a link: United States

For your information in the case of Julian Assange it was Manning who broke the Law, for which is still in Prison and not the receiver......except you you believe that the USA has Jurisdiction on every country on the world, whis is wrong.

I can assure you that Julian Assange has some of the best Legal people who supporting him... in this country. Have to wait and see what The British Government will do.

3) Wikileaks receives a lot of info and puts it out there for all to see. In most nations eyes, Wikileaks is worse than the guy that delivers the info since the deliverer isn't as good a distributer

3) Bollocks, no. True story, yes.

Finally I reiterate what I posted before:

The rest of your statement it's only an effort to justify the American Actions in pursuit of the receiver.... in this case Wiki Leaks and its "Editor Julian Assange", because of the embarrassment in disclosing the American war crimes and murderous actions against the people of another country!


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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2019, 11:15:47 AM »
Wiz, I believe you'll find relations had plummeted to a new low in Feb 2014 and if the Kremlin thought 'Trampu's' election would help ..little things like Salisbury haven't helped


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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2019, 11:43:59 AM »

You’ll have to forgive Wiz, his plumbing is backed up. When that happens apparently deep confusion sets in.  :laugh:

 

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2019, 12:11:12 PM »

BillyB.... Do you have a helicopter to escape when the Mexicans overrun your new country?

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Doesn't need one. He will just apply for Mexican citizenship.


Andrew

Do you think these 2 clowns..... are lying?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/15/letters-support-claim-julian-assange-would-not-be-extradited-to-us?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA0MTY%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

THe Guardian definitely is singing another song............what do you think?

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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2019, 01:19:35 AM »
British law is clear that people will not be extradited if they face torture or the death penalty. I see no reason to think that the government would do otherwise here. It is also most unlikely that he'd face the death penalty over there anyway, itis a meaningless commitment, a fig leaf to confuse the poorly informed feelzerz.

I expect that if Assange is extradited that once he arrives in the U.S that more charges will be laid against him and the British government will wring their hands and mutter how they think it is terrible, but, of course, nothing will happen and nobody, apart from feelzerz will be surprised by any of it.
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2019, 06:40:04 AM »
British law is clear that people will not be extradited if they face torture or the death penalty. I see no reason to think that the government would do otherwise here. It is also most unlikely that he'd face the death penalty over there anyway, itis a meaningless commitment, a fig leaf to confuse the poorly informed feelzerz.

I expect that if Assange is extradited that once he arrives in the U.S that more charges will be laid against him and the British government will wring their hands and mutter how they think it is terrible, but, of course, nothing will happen and nobody, apart from feelzerz will be surprised by any of it.

I read the letter by Boris and also Hunt.... and it is very clear what will happen.

The Swedish will do nothing so the road will be open......and he will go off the British Governments hands.......and when in the US the American's will load more accusations and he will land in prison for the next 45 years........

Nicely planned by the 5 Anglo Zionist Sisters ........


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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2019, 08:46:12 AM »
   
[Assange Sentenced 50 Weeks For Bogus Bail Charge
by Caitlin Johnstone

Following seven years of imprisonment at the Ecuadorian embassy fighting US extradition, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been sentenced to 50 weeks behind bars for an entirely bogus bail charge.

Sky News reporter Jordan Milne live-tweeted events as they unfolded, reporting that Assange's defense argued that his fears of rendition and torture at the hands of the US government were well-founded. His life in the Ecuadorian embassy and the physical and psychological detriments which came with it were described, including deteriorated health and depression. The judge rejected his entire defense and delivered nearly the harshest sentence possible.

"Your continued residence in the Embassy has necessitated a concentration of resources, and expenditure of £16 million of taxpayers’ money in ensuring that when you did leave, you were brought to justice," Judge Deborah Taylor told Assange upon his sentencing.

This is bullshit. Assange's residency at the embassy never cost taxpayers a penny; it was the British government's decision to pour money into patrolling the embassy around the clock with police who had orders to arrest Assange on sight over a petty bail charge. It was the British government's decision to persuade the Swedish government not to drop its investigation in 2013 so that it could pursue the agenda to arrest Assange for US extradition. Assange's residency didn't cost British taxpayers anything; the agenda to imprison and extradite a journalist for publishing facts is what cost taxpayers £16 million. There is one reason and one reason only that the British government saw fit to spend £16 million of taxpayers' money patrolling that embassy, and it wasn't because they really, really hate bail violations.

No, the one and only reason the UK government found it reasonable to invest £16 million in patrolling the Ecuadorian embassy is because it had an agenda to help the US war machine punish someone who embarrassed it. And now the cost of that UK government agenda is being used to justify nearly a year behind bars after years of arbitrary detention.

Julian Assange's sentence, for seeking and receiving asylum, is twice as much as the sentencing guidelines. The so-called speedboat killer, convicted of manslaughter, was only sentenced to six months for failing to appear in court.

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) May 1, 2019

"Julian Assange's sentence, for seeking and receiving asylum, is twice as much as the sentencing guidelines," WikiLeaks tweeted. "The so-called speedboat killer, convicted of manslaughter, was only sentenced to six months for failing to appear in court."

The bail charge itself is entirely illegitimate. As scholar and WikiLeaks advocate Simon Floth explains, under British law bail is only legally breached if there’s a failure to meet bail “without reasonable cause”, which the human right to seek asylum certainly is. The UK itself was clearly unconvinced of its own authority to charge someone who was under political asylum for jumping bail, waiting a full nine days before issuing an arrest warrant in 2012.

After the Swedish government decided to drop its sexual assault investigation in 2017 without issuing any charges, Assange’s legal team attempted last year to get the warrant dropped. The judge in that case, Emma Arbuthnot, just happens to be married to former Tory junior Defence Minister and government whip James Arbuthnot, who served as director of Security Intelligence Consultancy SC Strategy Ltd with a former head of MI6. Arbuthnot denied Assange’s request with extreme vitriol, despite his argument that British law does have provisions which allow for the time he’d already served under house arrest to count toward far more time than would be served for violating bail.

Julian Assange's sentence is as shocking as it is vindictive. We have grave concerns as to whether he will receive a fair extradition hearing in the UK.

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) May 1, 2019

All this of course pales in comparison to the far more grave threat Assange faces tomorrow, when his hearing for US extradition begins.

The US charge accompanying Assange's extradition request is even more bogus than the bail charge; a re-interpretation of standard journalistic practices like source protection to create a charge which the Obama administration declined to prosecute based on the same evidence for fear of endangering press freedoms. Assange is charged with "conspiring" to help Chelsea Manning avoid detection while leaking evidence of US war crimes and malfeasance, which is something any investigative journalist who publishes leaks would do. The charge is a bunch of words designed to twist standard journalistic practices into just enough of a crime to get Assange onto US soil for "non-political" reasons.

As Pentagon Papers lawyer James Goodale explains, "Under the U.S.-U.K. extradition treaty, one cannot be extradited from the United Kingdom if the extradition is for 'political purposes.'" Once he's on US soil, far more serious charges may be added that are of a very political nature indeed. If that happens, Assange will not be spending the five years behind bars for computer offenses that his current charge allows, he’ll be spending decades.

“I don’t think Julian is looking at five years in prison, I think he’s probably looking at 50 years in prison,” said CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, adding, “I think that there are many more charges to be considered for Julian. I would expect a superseding indictment, possibly to include espionage charges.”


There is simply no such thing as a fair trial in the Eastern District of Virginia, which is where Assange will be heading if extradited to the US.

“No national security defendant has ever won a case in the EDVA,” Kiriakou told RT upon Assange’s arrest. “In my case, I asked Judge Brinkema to declassify 70 documents that I needed to defend myself. She denied all 70 documents. And so I had literally no defense for myself and was forced to take a plea.”

“He will not, he cannot get a fair trial,” Kiriakou said on a Unity4J vigil when Assange was still at the embassy. “It’s impossible, because the deck is stacked. And everybody knows what’s gonna happen if he comes back to the Eastern District of Virginia. This is the same advice I gave Ed Snowden: don’t come home, because you can’t get a fair trial here. Julian doesn’t have the choice, and that’s what frightens me even more.”

This is why it's imperative for everyone who stands for truth, press freedoms or government accountability to oppose this extradition request tooth and claw, wherever they're at in the world. Australians should be pushing their government to intercede against US extradition, Britons should be doing the same, and Americans should be pushing their government not to extradite. It's too late to keep Assange from being pried loose from the embassy and imprisoned by the UK, so now we need to put all our energy into keeping Assange out of the clutches of the same government which tortured Chelsea Manning.

Go to demonstrations, make phone calls to your local representatives, donate get posters spread around Australia, write letters to the editor, and share information about what's going on with your friends and family and anyone you can. We can't rely on the legal system to sort this one out, because, as we've seen today, the legal system can very easily be manipulated to serve the interests of the powerful.


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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2019, 09:51:18 AM »
I confess, this whole thing vexes me mightily.

I think that the UK now has political prisoners.
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2019, 09:54:40 AM »
The US war machine and their cohorts (including the UK) will keep him locked up until his death one way or another.

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« Reply #72 on: May 01, 2019, 09:57:52 AM »
The above two posts are entertaining


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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #73 on: May 01, 2019, 10:44:23 AM »
The US war machine and their cohorts (including the UK) will keep him locked up until his death one way or another.

The US War machine is controlled by the Rothchilds and CFR which iirc most are right there on your soil.
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Re: Assange arrested in London - April 2019
« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2019, 09:53:27 AM »
Pamela Anderson went on the view and defended Assange





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