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Crimeans Wish to Leave Union with Russia
« on: March 16, 2019, 10:22:03 PM »
Fascinating story.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2019/03/16/crimeans-withdraw-their-referendum-vote-on-5th-anniversary-of-russian-annexation/
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Re: Crimeans Wish to Leave Union with Russia
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2019, 10:30:33 PM »
10 Reasons they give for wishing to leave the RF.

1. We were promised protection from “banderites” [derogatory term for Ukrainian nationalists]. Instead, we got a terrorist act in [a school in] Kerch and confidence that this could be repeated in any part of Crimea;

2. We were promised high pensions. Instead, we got high prices, in the result of which pensions stayed as miserable as they were in Ukraine;

3. We were promised free healthcare. Instead, we got its complete ruination, with a lack of doctors, bad drugs, queues, and closures of hospitals;

4. We were promised order in urban administration. Instead we got unreasonable requisitions for renovations and heaps of trash on the streets;

5. We were promised deals for the Crimean industry. Instead, we got sanctions and job cuts at factories;

6. We were promised assistance for small business. Instead, we got corruption, impunity, and predatory loans in dubious banks;

7. We were promised the development of agriculture. Instead, we got the African swine fever, destruction of rice farming, and appearance of salt marshes in North Crimea [due to the lack of water for irrigation which had previously come in from mainland Ukraine];

8. We were promised that our unique nature would be protected. Instead, we got a chemical catastrophe in Armiansk, the mass development of quarries, and juniper felling at the South Coast;

9. We were promised an iron rule of law. Instead. we got a drug addiction boom, mass knifing with Chechens, and total impunity of the police;

10. We were promised millions of tourists each summer. Instead, we got tourist taxes, bureaucracy, and impoverished crowds with state tourist vouchers.

We voted for the bright future of our native land, not for joining the state of liars, thieves, and lowlives.

If you are also for a normal life in Crimea, share this information in any way possible.”
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Re: Crimeans Wish to Leave Union with Russia
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2019, 01:15:26 AM »
Look at the source: an American-controlled, propaganda peddling, pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian website.  :coffeeread:
please tell me where I'm being / have been 'dishonest'? 
Yes, he said that.........


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Re: Crimeans Wish to Leave Union with Russia
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2019, 07:49:01 AM »
Look at the source: an American-controlled, propaganda peddling, pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian website.  :coffeeread:

Lets see: 5 years of bliss, compared to Ukraine before and people are more nationalistic and happy than before 2014 (own observations of 3 weeks in Crimea each year + daily skype sessions between my wife and her mother).

Yep, fake news.
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Re: Crimeans Wish to Leave Union with Russia
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 07:57:32 AM »
10 Reasons they give for wishing to leave the RF.

1. We were promised protection from “banderites” [derogatory term for Ukrainian nationalists]. Instead, we got a terrorist act in [a school in] Kerch and confidence that this could be repeated in any part of Crimea;
One disturbed individual whom was arrested, looks like the RU-police was right on the ball with this one.

2. We were promised high pensions. Instead, we got high prices, in the result of which pensions stayed as miserable as they were in Ukraine;
Pensions doubled overnight when Russia started paying them. And since inflation in the last 5 years havent been 100% yet , they are better off.

3. We were promised free healthcare. Instead, we got its complete ruination, with a lack of doctors, bad drugs, queues, and closures of hospitals;
And how is this different from Ukraine? Hint: its not.

4. We were promised order in urban administration. Instead we got unreasonable requisitions for renovations and heaps of trash on the streets;
I have no idea where this came from, streets have been cleaner than ever and they're *gasp* being repaired!

5. We were promised deals for the Crimean industry. Instead, we got sanctions and job cuts at factories;
Blame the west, not Russia.

6. We were promised assistance for small business. Instead, we got corruption, impunity, and predatory loans in dubious banks;
See point 3

7. We were promised the development of agriculture. Instead, we got the African swine fever, destruction of rice farming, and appearance of salt marshes in North Crimea [due to the lack of water for irrigation which had previously come in from mainland Ukraine];
Rice farming has no place in Crimea, and the water situation was created by Ukraine  :snivel: Luckily Russia has already committed to the island being self-providing in water-supplies and work on the new de-saltation plant has begun.

8. We were promised that our unique nature would be protected. Instead, we got a chemical catastrophe in Armiansk, the mass development of quarries, and juniper felling at the South Coast;
Strange, all these things seem to be directly related to things Ukraine also did: See point 3.


9. We were promised an iron rule of law. Instead. we got a drug addiction boom, mass knifing with Chechens, and total impunity of the police;
You did get an iron rule of law, if you're against putin you will see just how strong that is.

10. We were promised millions of tourists each summer. Instead, we got tourist taxes, bureaucracy, and impoverished crowds with state tourist vouchers.
Tourism has been up each year and already surpassed the busiest summers under Ukraine's rule.

We voted for the bright future of our native land, not for joining the state of liars, thieves, and lowlives.
:chuckle: Then you should've joined noone, since all states in the world are liars, thieves and lowlifes.

If you are also for a normal life in Crimea, share this information in any way possible.”
Yes, complete with a riposte from someone who has eyes/ears there  :innocent:
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