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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela.
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2019, 03:54:04 AM »
Every body knows that Venezuela is in this terrible situation because of the vicious attack and sanctions that the  USA has imposed to it, since Chavez was elected President of Venezuela in 1998.


Maduro doesn't agree. He says there is no crisis in Venezuela and it's all fabricated based on his latest interview.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-accuses-us-government-fabricating-000006571--abc-news-topstories.html

Of course Maduro is lying and sanctions have hurt his country. Andrew earlier said Venezuela is dependent on America. If a person is sucking a titty to get fed, survive, and thrive it's best that person don't insult the person on the other end of that titty. Chavez insulted America when he became president. Maduro insults America. There are people insulting you in this thread. It doesn't matter if they are wrong or right, I don't expect you to be nice to them and I definitely don't expect you to do business with them. America is not obligated to do business with anybody that insults or are hostile towards us too. Just the way the world works. Best get along, especially with the people and nations that got a titty.

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In reply to your comments here is a couple of things ...and an image for the Banksters. Also a video from the alternative Media in the USA for you to watch and tell us your views!



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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2019, 04:21:03 AM »
Your contributions to this board are only of a negative and spoiling nature.

Now Wiz, let's be honest with ourselves here, Av posts quite a bit of interesting content (along with his insults). More often than not, you're the one posting contributions of a "negative and spoiling nature" (i.e. insults) sans the interesting content. 

If you folks could learn to carry on with each other in a civilized manner this forum could be an even better place for people like me to learn. Instead, I spend a considerable amount of time scanning through all the garbage you throw at each other. I may not be the oldest among you but I'm definitely one of the more mature members here (at least by comparison).

I can carry on talking and debating any subject I enjoy, as long as the other poster does not make personal attacks or throw insults, then ..... I retaliate.

I have been around these boards for many many years and please ask Billy or any other old timer... to tell you if it's true. I know BillyB for well over 10 years, not only here but also from the other place too and please do ask him to tell you if we ever have exchanged any insults?

I am 74 years old and probably the oldest member around...... I do not have to tolerate any personal derogative comments or  insults and I do retaliate accordingly.

I take notice of your comments and I hope we can continue our civilised conversation.

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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2019, 03:46:56 PM »
Late last night, there was a news cast that showed an interview between a US reporter (who spoke Spanish) and Maduro in Caracas.  The reporter questioned the Venezuelan leader about the reports of deaths and arrests during the recent months.  Maduro said that it was all the lies of the US President.  The reporter replied that the information was from a U. N. Report, not from the President. Maduro said that the reporter was spreading the same lies as the US President.

Why does this guy keep reminding me of Saddam Hussein?  Must be that thick mustache.   :chuckle:
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2019, 12:14:54 AM »
Obviously the American public see, hear and follow the same usual MM propaganda Media.... and do not look for alternative views and sources.

Here is the report and views of a well known investigative reporter and film producer of various political subjects. He is Australian but lives in the UK.



THE WAR ON VENEZUELA IS BUILT ON LIES


Travelling with Hugo Chavez, I soon understood the threat of Venezuela. At a farming co-operative in Lara state, people waited patiently and with good humour in the heat. Jugs of water and melon juice were passed around. A guitar was played; a woman, Katarina, stood and sang with a husky contralto.

"What did her words say?" I asked.

"That we are proud," was the reply.

The applause for her merged with the arrival of Chavez. Under one arm he carried a satchel bursting with books. He wore his big red shirt and greeted people by name, stopping to listen. What struck me was his capacity to listen.

But now he read. For almost two hours he read into the microphone from the stack of books beside him: Orwell, Dickens, Tolstoy, Zola, Hemingway, Chomsky, Neruda: a page here, a line or two there. People clapped and whistled as he moved from author to author.

Then farmers took the microphone and told him what they knew, and what they needed; one ancient face, carved it seemed from a nearby banyan, made a long, critical speech on the subject of irrigation; Chavez took notes.

Wine is grown here, a dark Syrah type grape. "John, John, come up here," said El Presidente, having watched me fall asleep in the heat and the depths of Oliver Twist.

"He likes red wine," Chavez told the cheering, whistling audience, and presented me with a bottle of "vino de la gente". My few words in bad Spanish brought whistles and laughter.

Watching Chavez with la gente made sense of a man who promised, on coming to power, that his every move would be subject to the will of the people. In eight years, Chavez won eight elections and referendums: a world record. He was electorally the most popular head of state in the Western Hemisphere, probably in the world.

Every major chavista reform was voted on, notably a new constitution of which 71 per cent of the people approved each of the 396 articles that enshrined unheard of freedoms, such as Article 123, which for the first time recognised the human rights of mixed-race and black people, of whom Chavez was one.

One of his tutorials on the road quoted a feminist writer: "Love and solidarity are the same." His audiences understood this well and expressed themselves with dignity, seldom with deference. Ordinary people regarded Chavez and his government as their first champions: as theirs.

This was especially true of the indigenous, mestizos and Afro-Venezuelans, who had been held in historic contempt by Chavez's immediate predecessors and by those who today live far from the barrios, in the mansions and penthouses of East Caracas, who commute to Miami where their banks are and who regard themselves as "white". They are the powerful core of what the media calls "the opposition".

When I met this class, in suburbs called Country Club, in homes appointed with low chandeliers and bad portraits, I recognised them. They could be white South Africans, the petite bourgeoisie of Constantia and Sandton, pillars of the cruelties of apartheid.

Cartoonists in the Venezuelan press, most of which are owned by an oligarchy and oppose the government, portrayed Chavez as an ape. A radio host referred to "the monkey". In the private universities, the verbal currency of the children of the well-off is often racist abuse of those whose shacks are just visible through the pollution.

Although identity politics are all the rage in the pages of liberal newspapers in the West, race and class are two words almost never uttered in the mendacious "coverage" of Washington's latest, most naked attempt to grab the world's greatest source of oil and reclaim its "backyard".

For all the chavistas' faults — such as allowing the Venezuelan economy to become hostage to the fortunes of oil and never seriously challenging big capital and corruption — they brought social justice and pride to millions of people and they did it with unprecedented democracy.

"Of the 92 elections that we've monitored," said former President Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Centre is a respected monitor of elections around the world, "I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world." By way of contrast, said Carter, the US election system, with its emphasis on campaign money, "is one of the worst".

In extending the franchise to a parallel people's state of communal authority, based in the poorest barrios, Chavez described Venezuelan democracy as "our version of Rousseau's idea of popular sovereignty".

In Barrio La Linea, seated in her tiny kitchen, Beatrice Balazo told me her children were the first generation of the poor to attend a full day's school and be given a hot meal and to learn music, art and dance. "I have seen their confidence blossom like flowers," she said.

In Barrio La Vega, I listened to a nurse, Mariella Machado, a black woman of 45 with a wicked laugh, address an urban land council on subjects ranging from homelessness to illegal war. That day, they were launching Mision Madres de Barrio, a programme aimed at poverty among single mothers. Under the constitution, women have the right to be paid as carers, and can borrow from a special women's bank. Now the poorest housewives get the equivalent of $200 a month.

In a room lit by a single fluorescent tube, I met Ana Lucia Ferandez, aged 86, and Mavis Mendez, aged 95. A mere 33-year-old, Sonia Alvarez, had come with her two children. Once, none of them could read and write; now they were studying mathematics. For the first time in its history, Venezuela has almost 100 per cent literacy.

This is the work of Mision Robinson, which was designed for adults and teenagers previously denied an education because of poverty. Mision Ribas gives everyone the opportunity of a secondary education, called a bachillerato. (The names Robinson and Ribas refer to Venezuelan independence leaders from the 19th century).

In her 95 years, Mavis Mendez had seen a parade of governments, mostly vassals of Washington, preside over the theft of billions of dollars in oil spoils, much of it flown to Miami. "We didn't matter in a human sense," she told me. "We lived and died without real education and running water, and food we couldn't afford. When we fell ill, the weakest died. Now I can read and write my name and so much more; and whatever the rich and the media say, we have planted the seeds of true democracy and I have the joy of seeing it happen."

In 2002, during a Washington-backed coup, Mavis's sons and daughters and grandchildren and great-grandchildren joined hundreds of thousands who swept down from the barrios on the hillsides and demanded the army remained loyal to Chavez.

"The people rescued me," Chavez told me. "They did it with the media against me, preventing even the basic facts of what happened. For popular democracy in heroic action, I suggest you look no further."

Since Chavez's death in 2013, his successor Nicolas Maduro has shed his derisory label in the Western press as a "former bus driver" and become Saddam Hussein incarnate. His media abuse is ridiculous. On his watch, the slide in the price of oil has caused hyper inflation and played havoc with prices in a society that imports almost all its food; yet, as the journalist and film-maker Pablo Navarrete reported this week, Venezuela is not the catastrophe it has been painted. "There is food everywhere," he wrote. "I have filmed lots of videos of food in markets [all over Caracas] ... it's Friday night and the restaurants are full."

In 2018, Maduro was re-elected President. A section of the opposition boycotted the election, a tactic tried against Chavez. The boycott failed: 9,389,056 people voted; sixteen parties participated and six candidates stood for the presidency. Maduro won 6,248,864 votes, or 67.84 per cent.

On election day, I spoke to one of the 150 foreign election observers. "It was entirely fair," he said. "There was no fraud; none of the lurid media claims stood up. Zero. Amazing really."

Like a page from Alice's tea party, the Trump administration has presented Juan Guaido, a pop-up creation of the CIA-front National Endowment for Democracy, as the "legitimate President of Venezuela". Unheard of by 81 per cent of the Venezuelan people, according to The Nation, Guaido has been elected by no one.

Maduro is "illegitimate", says Trump (who won the US presidency with three million fewer votes than his opponent), a "dictator", says demonstrably unhinged vice president Mike Pence and an oil trophy-in-waiting, says "national security" adviser John Bolton (who when I interviewed him in 2003 said, "Hey, are you a communist, maybe even Labour?").

As his "special envoy to Venezuela" (coup master), Trump has appointed a convicted felon, Elliot Abrams, whose intrigues in the service of Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush helped produce the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s and plunge central America into years of blood-soaked misery.

Putting Lewis Carroll aside, these "crazies" belong in newsreels from the 1930s. And yet their lies about Venezuela have been taken up with enthusiasm by those paid to keep the record straight.

On Channel 4 News, Jon Snow bellowed at the Labour MP Chris Williamson, "Look, you and Mr Corbyn are in a very nasty corner [on Venezuela]!" When Williamson tried to explain why threatening a sovereign country was wrong, Snow cut him off. "You've had a good go!"

In 2006, Channel 4 News effectively accused Chavez of plotting to make nuclear weapons with Iran: a fantasy. The then Washington correspondent, Jonathan Rugman, allowed a war criminal, Donald Rumsfeld, to liken Chavez to Hitler, unchallenged.

Researchers at the University of the West of England studied the BBC's reporting of Venezuela over a ten-year period. They looked at 304 reports and found that only three of these referred to any of the positive policies of the government. For the BBC, Venezuela's democratic record, human rights legislation, food programmes, healthcare initiatives and poverty reduction did not happen. The greatest literacy programme in human history did not happen, just as the millions who march in support of Maduro and in memory of Chavez, do not exist.

When asked why she filmed only an opposition march, the BBC reporter Orla Guerin tweeted that it was "too difficult" to be on two marches in one day.

A war has been declared on Venezuela, of which the truth is "too difficult" to report.

It is too difficult to report the collapse of oil prices since 2014 as largely the result of criminal machinations by Wall Street. It is too difficult to report the blocking of Venezuela's access to the US-dominated international financial system as sabotage. It is too difficult to report Washington's "sanctions" against Venezuela, which have caused the loss of at least $6billion in Venezuela's revenue since 2017, including $2billion worth of imported medicines, as illegal, or the Bank of England's refusal to return Venezuela's gold reserves as an act of piracy.

The former United Nations Rapporteur, Alfred de Zayas, has likened this to a "medieval siege" designed "to bring countries to their knees". It is a criminal assault, he says. It is similar to that faced by Salvador Allende in 1970 when President Richard Nixon and his equivalent of John Bolton, Henry Kissinger, set out to "make the economy [of Chile] scream". The long dark night of Pinochet followed.

The Guardian correspondent, Tom Phillips, has tweeted a picture of a cap on which the words in Spanish mean in local slang: "Make Venezuela  :censored: ing cool again." The reporter as clown may be the final stage of much of mainstream journalism's degeneration.

Should the CIA stooge Guaido and his white supremacists grab power, it will be the 68th overthrow of a sovereign government by the United States, most of them democracies. A fire sale of Venezuela's utilities and mineral wealth will surely follow, along with the theft of the country's oil, as outlined by John Bolton.

Under the last Washington-controlled government in Caracas, poverty reached historic proportions. There was no healthcare for those could not pay. There was no universal education; Mavis Mendez, and millions like her, could not read or write. How cool is that, Tom?

John Pilger

21 February 2019


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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2019, 02:05:00 AM »
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2019, 04:53:27 AM »
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?

I wasn't aware that you are so ancient to have lived and read W. Duranty reporting in the NYT between 1922–1936. I have not read his reports neither will spent my time reading NYT reports from last century, neither I will compare the prevailing conditions in USSR, at the time he was there with today!

The 1932 Pulitzer Prize Awarded to Walter Duranty and the dispute is an US internal affair and between NYT And Pulitzer and I will let them sort it out!

Your comments about J. Pilger, who visited the country with his camera people,  sound very derogative because you are in a mission to denigrate everything about Venezuela and the progress that had made during the Chavez Government. Maduro is not a match for Chavez but he is legally and honestly elected, never disputed by the observers, and I wonder how many countries could survive safely so severe  economic sanctions and vicious attacks by the USA, over the years and not suffer? 

I have not read any bad comments about J. Pilger's reporting and if the Neocon Zionists don't like what he writes then they must prove him wrong.

Of course I have read and seen the organised Mass Western Media acting in tandem  to assassinate Venezuela, because their owners and financial supporters want to get control and steal their Natural resources. Din't you do the same in Libya, Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, Kongo, Syria, and Yemen?

Well now you are moving to the Balkans and soon we will see the plans you have made for Cyprus to rob them from their gas/oil!

Can you tell us, instead of meeting Kim in Vietnam , why your
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2019, 11:39:04 AM »
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2019, 04:35:50 PM »
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

PS: So you feel better I believe there is an active poster on RUA who is older than you!

I am sorry but apart from derogative unsubstantiated comments, sarcasm and effort to derail this thread, standard practice in your narrative, I have not seen any comments or evidence disputing the information I have posted.

It is very clear to me and to many other people that the US is using it's power:
a) To effect regime change, as they did in Ukraine and other small countries too,
b) Installing their puppet, destabilizing its economy, destroy Venezuela's democracy c) and at the end steal its huge natural resources.

You have all the time to prove my comments wrong..... if you can.

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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2019, 09:14:30 PM »
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

PS: So you feel better I believe there is an active poster on RUA who is older than you!

I am sorry but apart from derogative unsubstantiated comments, sarcasm and effort to derail this thread, standard practice in your narrative, I have not seen any comments or evidence disputing the information I have posted.

It is very clear to me and to many other people that the US is using it's power:
a) To effect regime change, as they did in Ukraine and other small countries too,
b) Installing their puppet, destabilizing its economy, destroy Venezuela's democracy c) and at the end steal its huge natural resources.

You have all the time to prove my comments wrong..... if you can.

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What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2019, 09:26:45 PM »
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?

I wasn't aware that you are so ancient to have lived and read W. Duranty reporting in the NYT between 1922–1936. I have not read his reports neither will spent my time reading NYT reports from last century, neither I will compare the prevailing conditions in USSR, at the time he was there with today!

The 1932 Pulitzer Prize Awarded to Walter Duranty and the dispute is an US internal affair and between NYT And Pulitzer and I will let them sort it out!



Anyone with an education knows Walter Duranty was a FRAUD, guess that excludes you.

Millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death, you DISRESPECT their memory with your infantile version of Ukrainians REJECTING Yanukovych and Russia; you blame the USA, what a surprise!

And you would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?

Sick.
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2019, 04:26:32 AM »


Even if what you say is true, does that mean that you can interfere in honest democtratic countries and actually pick the leader you want by starving the population and then propping up a leader as 'saviour' who will be able to feed his people?

I thnk Russian Collusion is a joke compared to these actions, they are not even close to respecting sovereignity.



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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2019, 09:49:27 AM »
What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

I am aware that it's typical for an American low life individual, to feel superior to other People and I noticed that you are not bright enough up at the top floor to realise when people ignore you because of the rudeness in your personality.

Do me the favour and ignore my comments as I do with yours!

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.

The above is total Crap coming out  from your Backside..... and are not credible evidence to take you seriously. When you find some credible evidence do post them and you will get your replies.


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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »

And you (Wiz) would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?


Madura seems to be trying his best to match Stalin.

Wiz please explain why there are so many 'generals' in Venezuela. And they all are in charge of government ministries?

Why are there so many refugees who have fled Venezuela over the last couple of years?
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2019, 11:50:45 AM »
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2019, 12:26:31 PM »

And you (Wiz) would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?


Madura seems to be trying his best to match Stalin.

Wiz please explain why there are so many 'generals' in Venezuela. And they all are in charge of government ministries?

Why are there so many refugees who have fled Venezuela over the last couple of years?

Yes I commented upthread about the number of military officers in Venezuela. It’s more than any other military in the World. Maduro hopes by having a bunch of corrupt overpaid Generals it will prevent a coup.

Millions of Venezuelans have left looking for food and medicine elsewhere.
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2019, 12:30:29 PM »
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.


Well said Tom.

I accept the Crimea result, even though the methods used were questionable. A majority wanted back to Russia so that’s over and done.

Crystal clear that a majority of Venezuela wants the dictator Maduro gone; they want a fresh start with Guaido.
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« Reply #66 on: March 01, 2019, 12:32:54 PM »
What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

I am aware that it's typical for an American low life individual, to feel superior to other People and I noticed that you are not bright enough up at the top floor to realise when people ignore you because of the rudeness in your personality.

Do me the favour and ignore my comments as I do with yours!

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.

The above is total Crap coming out  from your Backside..... and are not credible evidence to take you seriously. When you find some credible evidence do post them and you will get your replies.



Yeah you’re doing such a good job ignoring my comments, which is why you responded to them.        :ROFL:         :ROFL:         :ROFL:
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #67 on: March 01, 2019, 12:47:31 PM »
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!! The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not been chosen democraticly or even by a referendum or anything else.

Venezuela's problems run very deep and a new president will not solve it. Only ending the sanctions will, and we all know when that will happen
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2019, 01:21:01 PM »
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!! The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not been chosen democraticly or even by a referendum or anything else.

Venezuela's problems run very deep and a new president will not solve it. Only ending the sanctions will, and we all know when that will happen

It IS actually the will of the people, the crowds are very pro-Guaido.

And 50 nations support Guaido.

Compared to 2 or 3 for the dictator.
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2019, 02:27:11 PM »
Among the 126 countries in the World Justice Project (WJP) Rule of Law Index in 2019, is anyone surprised that Venezuela is #126.

Way to go 'President' Maduro!
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2019, 02:31:59 PM »
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.


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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2019, 04:19:59 PM »
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

I do not follow this very carefully but the last democratically elected head of state we supported was the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt?
What is worse than not being able to get what you don't even want?

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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2019, 04:42:57 PM »
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

I do not follow this very carefully but the last democratically elected head of state we supported was the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt?

I believe that was the first time in history that Egyptians could choose their new leader.  Well, that did not last very long as they got rounded up and arrested.  So much for democracy.   :ROFL:
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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2019, 01:50:24 AM »
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

It is almost nearly a Year ago (20 May 2018) that last election took place and Maduro was elected to be the President........... That USA puppet, Guaido, made his declaration less than a month ago after his USA Masters told him to do it and the very next day the same masters together with the other Vassal states come out recognising him as the President.

Venezuela is an independent country and the Presidential elections is an Internal affair for them to resolve and none of your Fcuking Bussines!

Too many countries over the Years have "Enjoyed your generous Humanitarian efforts and now regret it for accepting your help!"

CIA with it's agents and Puppets have been attacking Venezuela for as long I can remember..... because your Mafia Administration wants to steal and control the huge Oil Reserves and also the Gold ones too. As they say THE END OF YOUR EMPIRE IS NEAR...

Do you think the rest of the world is populated by uneducated morons and idiots, politically ignorant Zombies as the Majority of the citizens of  your Zionist Gangster Mafia run  Country?
:sick0012:

Most of us, oldies, have seen the same scenario played again and again in Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Kolombia, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, in most African countrie last century and  on this century in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, the Balkans  ....  etc. The list is endless.

2tallbill I had a different opinion about you, over the years.... but lately you disappoint me. :(

CONfed.... before you make any more stupid comments I suggest you read about the Greek History, during and after WWII and then come and start talking to me. More importantly if you have a passport.... start travelling and then you can come here and talk to us! At least I can claim and prove that I have visited your country more than 10 times... where you probably have not left your banker at all , because you afraid the sun will spoil your KKK skin!

AvHdb Zionist Troll stop trying to derail this thread with your stupid and ridiculous comments. Go back to your Bottle.!

Tom Cat my comments above answer directly your questions too!

BTW American's, what's happen with Kim
 and your President Tramp?

Did he find Kim Un very Fat and he could NOT squizz him, so he left to go back to his Banker and his darling Melania?  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  :ROFL:


Here is some Good News for USA........ (click the blue Link to read more.

China reveals massive oil & gas discovery in Bohai Sea


How will this major discovery in the Bohai sea affect the energy market, including the configuration of oil and gas pipeline corridors?

China is the world’s largest importer of natural gas and the second-largest of liquified natural gas (LNG).

In January, prior to the CNOOC announcement regarding the Bohai discovery, China announced plans to quadruple its LNG imports.

Coupled with the US-China trade war, will the Bohai  discovery have an impact on China’s import of LNG from the US?


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Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2019, 03:30:32 AM »
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?
Apples and oranges first, Guaido does not want to break off parts of Venezuela to make a new country.
Second: You must have confused me for someone who condones that situation. I do not. The war in Ukraine must stop. Russia already stated they will not accept Donetsk/Lugansk into Russian territory so the only way for them is to go back to Ukraine or remain independant. The latter is more obvious as they do not want to be ruled by kiev. Its costing them a bloody war to do so.

The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.
Disputed by whom? not by the population at least, despite best effort to spread fake news the truth is out there.

For instance: The blockade of foreign-aid, which said Maduro blocked it. The road has been closed for ages and isn't even finished if you look at the whole picture.  :duh:

Furthermore: Wiz said it best, if you ignore the anti-USA stuff in his message.

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