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What exactly is educated?
« on: January 25, 2019, 04:49:12 AM »
We had family over for Christmas so thought we would go and watch "The marriage of Figaro" ...it was a three hour show, and christ by half time break we had to get out of there, I never sat watching so much shit in my life.

My parents are all into the theatre and art, father is a master of fine art and regularly visits all the London galleries, I remember being dragged around the VA and Tate in London many times, never did interest me art.. Mother is a member of the Royal photographic society and always showing me her new photography , Im not a photographic person either .. ;D

We also frequent a fair few nice restaurants , if we are in Moscow we always eat at the best places.. I don't know why as the dinner is pathetically small at most of the places, you can sit at a table surrounded by people all admiring their huge plates with just a few bits of food chucked on in a fancy way and made to look nice, of course half of them will be taking photos to post all over the place of some ridiculously small dinner on a huge plate that costs a ridicules amount of money .. :laugh:
last time we went out in Moscow I need two main courses just to feel like I had some food in my belly..


So I was wondering does it make me uneducated not wanting to sit in a theatre for three hours watching people sing in Italian , not appreciating Art and not appreciating fine cooking.. ?
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 06:57:07 AM »
Steve,

The educated people seek to ensure their kids are well- educated and others send theirs to state run schools and boast of driving Range Rovers and holidays ..



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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 07:45:25 AM »
Like many things, we learn to appreciate them over time and with experience. For example, it took me until just a couple of years ago to go to my first ballet. I enjoyed it because of the person I was with. Now I enjoy the ballet. :)

Food is kinda similar. OK, a lot of foody stuff is just pretentious crap, but good cooking is about flavours and textures and much less about portion size - after all, if a meal was always a belly buster it'd not be possible to enjoy great cooking without turning into a bloated mass.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2019, 08:22:17 AM »
So I was wondering does it make me uneducated not wanting to sit in a theatre for three hours watching people sing in Italian , not appreciating Art and not appreciating fine cooking.. ?

Steve there is an expression 'Matters of taste are not subject to discussion'.

So you do not care for Mozart, no biggy in my book. You might enjoy the Stones or the Verve. Have read all of H. Thompson and tell the differences of various types of roe. I think more important is intellectual curiosity and what you do with the knowledge gained.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2019, 12:39:02 PM »
Ooer, moby trying to have a pop at somebody?

Surely not?
Not moby, the most loved man around.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2019, 01:16:18 PM »
Ok so what about standing in an art gallery for 10 hours figuring out a painting? Surely that doesn't make you educated?

I do like a musical show though.. Chicago or Les Miserables..

But I also noticed having a particular pair of glasses and style of beard makes you intelligent..  :laugh:

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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2019, 01:55:26 PM »
'The clothes don't make the man.'

If it takes some one 10 hours to 'figure' out a painting they could better do something else with there time. My brother could not be more different than me. He can not see the difference between a work by a Dutch artist of the 17th century and a French Impressionist. He can not hear the difference between Beethoven and Bach nor could he understand if lines of a poem were from the 19th century or Post War period. Nonetheless credit to him he will drag his kids aged 10 to 14 through a museum.

Yet he is a better offshore sailor than I will be and is extremely handy at making repairs. Each of us have our strengths.

He does though have a nick name Ma... the Master of the Unfinished Project.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2019, 03:41:13 PM »
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Ok so what about standing in an art gallery for 10 hours figuring out a painting? Surely that doesn't make you educated?

Well gazing at the "Venus of Urbino" at the Uffizi gallery would be worth spending 10 hours.  I am sure that you will learn a LOT.   :evilgrin0002:
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2019, 03:49:32 PM »
Years ago, I used to sell hifi. When I started to work for the company I had cloth ears. Just give me heavy bass and treble that goes tizz, tttzz, tizz and make sure that I couldn't hear much hiss and I was happy.

After a while, with the help of my colleagues and the benefit of time to listen, I came to be able to discern what was actually good, where the output was a reasonable facsimile of the input and the necessary compromises where sensibly made. I learned how to package systems to meet differing criteria. I learned what good sound was.

I found that I did not have cloth ears!

That same process applies to many cultural pleasures. It might take time to learn differences between different aspects of food, music, paintings; time to learn what expertise represents - and what is just a crass imitation of expertise. But there is pleasure in doing so, at least for me. I'd say that almost anyone can learn to appreciate expertise and take pleasure from it - in almost any field that involves the senses and how experts harness our senses to communicate with our minds.

At the same time I understand that there's not enough time to learn to appreciate everything and also that some folks just can't be arsed to do so.

Stefan, don't write yourself off. There's a challenge and pleasure to be had from learning how to enjoy using our senses as best we can.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2019, 07:41:40 PM »

Almost everything you learn is learned from another person. How you put it together make the person you are.

Some people watch CNN all day and think they're educated.

Some people spend years in college and graduate with honors and think they're educated but truth is, they're not an expert in anything because they haven't put into practice what they learned.

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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2019, 10:50:38 AM »
We had family over for Christmas so thought we would go and watch "The marriage of Figaro" ...it was a three hour show, and christ by half time break we had to get out of there, I never sat watching so much shit in my life.

My parents are all into the theatre and art, father is a master of fine art and regularly visits all the London galleries, I remember being dragged around the VA and Tate in London many times, never did interest me art.. Mother is a member of the Royal photographic society and always showing me her new photography , Im not a photographic person either .. ;D

We also frequent a fair few nice restaurants , if we are in Moscow we always eat at the best places.. I don't know why as the dinner is pathetically small at most of the places, you can sit at a table surrounded by people all admiring their huge plates with just a few bits of food chucked on in a fancy way and made to look nice, of course half of them will be taking photos to post all over the place of some ridiculously small dinner on a huge plate that costs a ridicules amount of money .. :laugh:
last time we went out in Moscow I need two main courses just to feel like I had some food in my belly..


So I was wondering does it make me uneducated not wanting to sit in a theatre for three hours watching people sing in Italian , not appreciating Art and not appreciating fine cooking.. ?

My wife's dragged me to many an art museum and ballet production but has so far been unable to convert me. I'm not quite an arts philistine and can handle both in small doses but my attention span is shorter than many I suspect.

I'll happily wander round the Rijksmuseum or the Musee d'Orsay but don't ask me to stop and stare for 5/10 mins per piece. A slow constant march works best! Even worse, when I do stop for an upload and some bugger walks up and stands in front of you.......visions of rolling about fighting with rude Europeans fly through the mind!!  ;D

I've got myself ready for the ballet too, open minded with a positive head on. Love the music and the cognac at the intervals but after a while, it instantaneously bores the shit out of me. I then start to scan the audience and I've concluded that irrespective of location, be it Milan, Minsk, London, Paris or Edinburgh, people like me simply don't attend these things.

It's always full of posh old buggers, woman and gays. I swear.....every time!!

Thankfully the wife now has friends for 'the culture' and I don't get dragged along anymore. And I'm glad she has because the last couple even bored her and she's hardcore. I also think that 'the culture' isn't an accurate barometer for education or class either. I've sat through hours of the stuff thinking about this and I'm sure people even fake it. If they attend and come out saying how wonderful the Prima ballerina assoluta was, they'll think others will look up to them.

I tried, I really did but I just don't get it.

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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2019, 07:02:49 AM »
We had family over for Christmas so thought we would go and watch "The marriage of Figaro" ...it was a three hour show, and christ by half time break we had to get out of there, I never sat watching so much shit in my life.

My parents are all into the theatre and art, father is a master of fine art and regularly visits all the London galleries, I remember being dragged around the VA and Tate in London many times, never did interest me art.. Mother is a member of the Royal photographic society and always showing me her new photography , Im not a photographic person either .. ;D

We also frequent a fair few nice restaurants , if we are in Moscow we always eat at the best places.. I don't know why as the dinner is pathetically small at most of the places, you can sit at a table surrounded by people all admiring their huge plates with just a few bits of food chucked on in a fancy way and made to look nice, of course half of them will be taking photos to post all over the place of some ridiculously small dinner on a huge plate that costs a ridicules amount of money .. :laugh:
last time we went out in Moscow I need two main courses just to feel like I had some food in my belly..


So I was wondering does it make me uneducated not wanting to sit in a theatre for three hours watching people sing in Italian , not appreciating Art and not appreciating fine cooking.. ?

My wife's dragged me to many an art museum and ballet production but has so far been unable to convert me. I'm not quite an arts philistine and can handle both in small doses but my attention span is shorter than many I suspect.

I'll happily wander round the Rijksmuseum or the Musee d'Orsay but don't ask me to stop and stare for 5/10 mins per piece. A slow constant march works best! Even worse, when I do stop for an upload and some bugger walks up and stands in front of you.......visions of rolling about fighting with rude Europeans fly through the mind!!  ;D

I've got myself ready for the ballet too, open minded with a positive head on. Love the music and the cognac at the intervals but after a while, it instantaneously bores the shit out of me. I then start to scan the audience and I've concluded that irrespective of location, be it Milan, Minsk, London, Paris or Edinburgh, people like me simply don't attend these things.

It's always full of posh old buggers, woman and gays. I swear.....every time!!

Thankfully the wife now has friends for 'the culture' and I don't get dragged along anymore. And I'm glad she has because the last couple even bored her and she's hardcore. I also think that 'the culture' isn't an accurate barometer for education or class either. I've sat through hours of the stuff thinking about this and I'm sure people even fake it. If they attend and come out saying how wonderful the Prima ballerina assoluta was, they'll think others will look up to them.

I tried, I really did but I just don't get it.

It's always full of posh old buggers Most of those posh buggers are fake! And probably have NO money! They just want to look posh and educated but its easy to spot them..
The world today is full of fake people making out they are someone above everyone else, we are all equal really in life educated or not were all going to be rotting away one day in a wooden box 6 feet under.. what ever education you have will not save you!





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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 08:58:29 AM »
others send theirs to state run schools and boast of driving Range Rovers and holidays ..

Haters gonna hate.  :-\

I only drive one Range Rover BTW, wifey drives the other one. 

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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2019, 09:02:10 AM »
My wife's dragged me to many an art museum and ballet production but has so far been unable to convert me.

Like you, I've been dragged to many museums and the odd ballet. Not something I could do every day.

I'm not a fan of food that is messed about with too much. I don't need things nestling on other things, huge plates with drizzles of stuff on, minuscule portions or anything pretentious for the sake of it. I do like quality, and that usually means cooking at home. Very few restaurants - in the UK at least - are much good in my opinion. I did find an Argentinian steak house in Madeira recently that was outstanding though.
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Re: What exactly is educated?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2019, 10:33:32 AM »
others send theirs to state run schools and boast of driving Range Rovers and holidays ..

Haters gonna hate.  :-\

I only drive one Range Rover BTW, wifey drives the other one. 

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