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Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« on: December 10, 2018, 09:35:24 PM »
No good can come of this that I can see.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/10/russia-sends-2-nuclear-capable-bombers-to-venezuela/
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2018, 09:40:55 PM »
No good can come of this that I can see.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/10/russia-sends-2-nuclear-capable-bombers-to-venezuela/

However, Manning cited the humanitarian assistance provided in Central and South American by a U.S. Navy hospital ship, the USNS Comfort, in the past eight weeks. Numerous Venezuelan migrants were among the people who received medical and dental treatment.

"Contrast this with Russia, whose approach to the man-made disaster in Venezuela is to send bomber aircraft instead of humanitarian assistance," Manning said.
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 10:21:00 PM »
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 10:30:14 PM »
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:

There’s a thread about Syria and the Middle East elsewhere!

IOW since you couldn’t stay on topic here, the answer is that the USA has provided real medical and humanitarian assistance to Venezuela, and Russia has NOT.
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 12:11:47 AM »
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:

Now where near as much 'benevolence' as despatched in the likes of Aleppo, Syrra ....

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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 02:03:26 AM »
Whoosh!
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 02:04:29 AM »
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 03:52:24 AM »
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.

The USA has not committed war crimes in Yemen, that was done by Saudi Arabia, better get your facts straight.

I’ve already expressed that I agree with Senator Rand Paul, we should stop selling them arms.

Whoosh! Was that the sound of the unlawful artillary into Ukraine from Russia? Or was it the sound of the carpet bombing in Chechnya?

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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 05:04:36 AM »
"Humanitarian USA " Interventions in Venezuela


It's been over a decade since Since 2002 when a U.S. sponsored coup temporarily overthrew Venezuela's democracy, and Washington is still plotting.

Shortly after being returned to power by popular force in April 2002, then president Hugo Chavez quickly warned the United States was already planning its next move. Chavez had been ousted from office for just under two days in early April, in a coup carefully choreographed by Venezuela's business elite, renegade military elements and the United States.

By early October, 2002, Chavez announced Venezuelan authorities had already uncovered another coup plot. Two weeks later, Chavez narrowly escaped an assassination attempt. The attempt appeared to coincide with anti-government protests.

Then, as U.S. president George W. Bush entered his second term in 2005, Washington appeared to redouble its efforts to remove Chavez. A month after Bush was sworn in for a second time, Chavez said his government had uncovered another assassination plot. The plot was uncovered just weeks after then U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice described the Venezuelan leader as a “destabilizing force.” In September that year, Bush again lashed out at Venezuela, accusing the country of failing in its fight against the narcotics trade.

Another major coup plot was foiled in 2006, when Venezuelan authorities said they found evidence the U.S. embassy in Caracas had been secretly collecting military information. That same year, the Department of State began barring certain arms sales to Venezuela. This was the beginning of what would later become a key pillar of U.S. policy towards Caracas – sanctions.

In 2011, state oil company PDVSA was hit with U.S. sanctions, while in 2013 state arms manufacturer CAVIM was also sanctioned. More sanctions were imposed in late 2014 against Venezuelan government officials. Then in March 2015, U.S President Barack Obama issued an executive order imposing another round of sanctions, and describing Venezuela as an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to the United States. This was the most controversial round of sanctions, and sparked widespread condemnation in the region. The Obama administration was eventually pressured into admitting Venezuela doesn't pose a threat to the United States, though the sanctions remained in place.

The evolution of economic pressure on Venezuela is perhaps the most striking example of the continuity of Venezuela policy between the Bush and Obama administrations. However, this overt aggression against Venezuela has likewise been accompanied by a continuous campaign of subversion, largely in the vein of U.S. activities in the lead-up to the 2002 coup.

Much of this took place through groups like USAID, the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI).

In a 2006 diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks, then U.S. ambassador William Brownfield said both USAID and OTI were playing central roles in a strategy to oust Chavez.

“This strategic objective represents the majority of USAID/OTI work in Venezuela,” Brownfield wrote at the time.

According to investigations by the U.S.-Venezuelan lawyer Eva Golinger, Between 2004 and the time of the cable's initial, secret publication in 2006, USAID spent close to US$15 million on operations in Venezuela. Much of this involved supporting around 300 so-called civil society groups – largely a collection of far right, anti-government groups. One prominent recipient of U.S. funding was Sumate, an anti-Chavez political group founded by right-wing firebrand Maria Machado. Machado was a signatory of the Carmona Decree – the political manifesto of the short-lived 2002 coup government. The fact that one of the key recipients of U.S. aid was a coup plotter has led many in Venezuela to accuse USAID of being opposed to democracy.

The latest information available suggests USAID's annual budget for Venezuela was over US$5 million, despite the fact that foreign funding of political activities was banned in Venezuela in 2010. The banning was condemned by the U.S. Department of State, despite the fact the United States has a similar law against funding of political campaigns.

The key factor making such a move even more rational in Venezuela is the fact that unlike the United States, Caracas is still facing coup attempts backed by a foreign belligerent. In early 2015, the Venezuelan government uncovered yet another brewing coup attempt. This time, plotters being paid in U.S. dollars were planning to incite street violence, then carry out a series of coordinated bombings targeting key government sites. President Nicolas Maduro accused opposition leaders of mostly being aware of the plot well in advance, and said the plan was aimed at culminating in the collapse of his government.

As new elections approach on Dec. 6, concern is again mounting that Venezuela's opposition could be planning more destabilization. However, it's unclear which route the United States will take. Will Washington continue its simmering campaign of underhand destabilization, or will it opt for another open coup attempt like in 2002?

Source: Tracking US Intervention in Venezuela

You have to admit that the USA is a very humanitarian Nation supporting most countries around the Globe, especially those with plenty natural resources..  :ROFL:

Now if you wish to have a complete profile of this terrible country, "Venezuela", take a look at the good services of the BBC.


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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2018, 05:15:54 AM »
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

Quote from: RT
Venezuela has welcomed the arrival of Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers as an opportunity to demonstrate its resolve to defend the nation against possible foreign military intervention, with the help of “friends” if need be.

https://www.rt.com/news/446125-tu-160-bombers-venezuela-land/

The days of Uncle Sam marauding around the planet killing the leaders of other countries, changing the leadership and destroying what remains is coming to an end. The multi polar world is developing nicely.


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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2018, 05:17:08 AM »
Wiz you’re truly delusional. Maduro is a two-bit tin pot dictator who has looted most of the wealth of Venezuela. Venezuela was once wealthier than China, this is what happens each and every time with Communism.

Meanwhile the USA has been providing much needed medical assistance to Venezuelan migrants and others for the past 11 weeks.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/11/27/navy-hospital-ship-comfort-treats-venezuelan-migrants-colombians/
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2018, 05:27:09 AM »
American Officials Could Be Prosecuted for War Crimes in Yemen

From the article:

"At the same time, the Pentagon also dramatically stepped up its own air strikes in Yemen, targeting Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), which is one of the terror group’s most active offshoots, and other jihadists linked to the Islamic State (ISIS). In 2017, the US military carried out more than 130 air strikes, compared to 21 strikes in 2016, the Obama administration’s final year in office—a sixfold increase under Trump.

The Pentagon has been carrying out air strikes, using drones and fighter planes, in Yemen since the early 2000s, when it accelerated a campaign against Al Qaeda."


PS: The blue title is a link to the article.

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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2018, 05:31:16 AM »
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

Quote from: RT
Venezuela has welcomed the arrival of Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers as an opportunity to demonstrate its resolve to defend the nation against possible foreign military intervention, with the help of “friends” if need be.

https://www.rt.com/news/446125-tu-160-bombers-venezuela-land/

The days of Uncle Sam marauding around the planet killing the leaders of other countries, changing the leadership and destroying what remains is coming to an end. The multi polar world is developing nicely.

Keep dreaming, Russia’s economy is horrible and they can barely afford to pay pensions much less prop up a thieving dictatorship in Venezuela. You did use the correct word though, regime. How many millions or billions of dollars has crook Maduro stolen from his country while his people starve?

I would truly be embarrassed to verbalize support for a thief and complete crook like Maduro. Pompeo is right about this stunt.


The Russian and Venezuelan people should see this for what it is: two corrupt governments squandering public funds, and squelching liberty and freedom while their people suffer,” Pompeo said on Twitter late Monday.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-10/two-russian-strategic-bombers-arrived-in-venezuela-tass-says
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2018, 05:34:51 AM »
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.

Nice try at deflection...  Unlike you I don't condone the UK / UK supplying S,Arabia or proxy wars

Syria Ukraine, Georgia, Chechn'ya, ?

Carry on




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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 05:36:50 AM »
You're missing the point, Cornfed. It isn't the job of the US to decide who is a goody and who is a baddie. What goes on elsewhere simply isn't your business. After the regime change you funded in Ukraine, expect more of the same in every place you try it.

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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2018, 05:38:05 AM »
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.


So how many more years of misery do the people of Venezuela have to look forward to?
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 05:43:13 AM »
You're missing the point, Cornfed. It isn't the job of the US to decide who is a goody and who is a baddie. What goes on elsewhere simply isn't your business. After the regime change you funded in Ukraine, expect more of the same in every place you try it.

At some point yes it is, we're not going to stand idly by while some tin-pot dictator starves his own people who are forced to go through the trash or eat rats. Suggest you get familiar with the Monroe Doctrine.

Meanwhile Maduro's daughter is suspected of looting Millions. BTW will Russia be sending an armada of their wonderful Navy ships to protect Venezuela?  Better bring lots of tug boats.

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.

Furthermore it is our business as signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, or did you forget about that little bit of treachery on the part of Russia?

Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins, mark my words on that. Putin is biting off more than he can chew.

                                           
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 06:00:53 AM »
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.


So how many more years of misery do the people of Venezuela have to look forward to?


Word.

Meanwhile the thieves are having a party.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/11/report-hugo-chavezs-favorite-daughter-is-the-richest-person-in-venezuela/

And the thieving tin-pot Dictator in Chief sends their Gold to Turkey without the approval of his countries legislature.

https://wtop.com/europe/2018/10/us-official-maduro-looting-venezuelas-gold-reserves/
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Manny's revisionist history
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 06:02:34 AM »
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

The people of the biggest city in Syria ( the one example ) have never supported the Al-Assad dynasty / dictatorship

Meanwhile, the Turks are busy in N.Syria bumping off Kurds

Hezbollah control S.Syria  - Iran's proxy

You must be so 'proud'






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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2018, 06:09:29 AM »
One of the reasons that Russia is interested in Venezuela is debt. Both Chavez and Maduro have borrowed hundred's of millions, and not from the IMF but from Russia as well as China.

Guess Russia would like to see these monies repaid one way or the other.
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 06:15:29 AM »
One of the reasons that Russia is interested in Venezuela is debt. Both Chavez and Maduro have borrowed hundred's of millions, and not from the IMF but from Russia.

Guess Russia would like to see these monies repaid one way or the other.


Yes, I believe Russia is planning to help Venezuela get their oil industry back on track. At least that's the plan which I briefly read.

The problem of course is that relations between the USA and Russia are already bad, this isn't a good omen IMO. One little misstep could get blown up out of proportion and there you have it.

Russia should be happy with bullying assisting their neighbors in their own neighborhood, but no they want to see how far they can push things with their multi polti aspirations.   :coffeeread:
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 06:19:17 AM »
The BBC on this situation. I'm sure we'll be told this is Western propaganda. It was actually a very balanced article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46522358

How the crisis developed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36319877


The stack of money it takes to buy TP in Venezuela.  :chuckle:



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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2018, 06:40:57 AM »
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Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2018, 07:09:47 AM »
Wiz you’re truly delusional. Maduro is a two-bit tin pot dictator who has looted most of the wealth of Venezuela. Venezuela was once wealthier than China, this is what happens each and every time with Communism.

In your view I am "truly delusional" but I can assure you that hat doesn't belong to me but to yours  truly! I know how to read and understand what is going on around us and I don't belong to the same class as you, as I have not been to the same school as you did!



May I suggest to you to watch this video and the nice
Lady Naomi Klein lecture... and you may learn something.

The Shock Doctrine -  The Rise of Disaster Capitalism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL3XGZ5rreE

May I advice you that Russia Federation does not have a communistic system anymore. They have the same like yours... Capitalism and follow on your steps when it comes to stealing or exploiting public finances and natural resources, of which they have an abundance!

Have you noticed how happy was Trump to see Putin when he arrived on the G20 meeting. Have a look at the photos. Shortie is holding him by the balls!

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2018, 07:25:01 AM »

May I advice you that Russia Federation does not have a communistic system anymore. They have the same like yours... Capitalism and follow on your steps when it comes to stealing or exploiting public finances and natural resources, of which they have an abundance!




 :ROFL:

Just showed your latest 'funny' to Russians and thanks for the days entertainment

Russia is being run for the benefit of those supporting a one-party system - given the current leader didn't actually get enough votes and the last election was a farce ....  We know no-one who voted for VVP - if voting at all