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Author Topic: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?  (Read 584 times)

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https://aussiesta.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/winning-the-battle-of-stalingrad-with-biological-warfare/

Admittedly a "conspiracy theory" but thought-provoking.  Stalin had used chemical warfare previously, after all...

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 01:39:09 PM »
https://aussiesta.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/winning-the-battle-of-stalingrad-with-biological-warfare/

Admittedly a "conspiracy theory" but thought-provoking.  Stalin had used chemical warfare previously, after all...

Did Stalin use chemical weapons against the Germans during the battle of Stalingrad?  Probably. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov_Rebellion

Did Hitler violate the agreement he had with Stalin and invade a country he didn't belong in? Obviously so.

Don't invade other countries which don't belong to you and bad things won't happen to your soldiers.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 04:41:07 AM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.


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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2018, 07:01:14 AM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

Who did such a heinous thing?
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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2018, 08:02:08 AM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

Who did such a heinous thing?

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2018, 10:35:47 AM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

just a very rough calculation.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki 130,000 killed.  WWII 50 million??  130,000 was just a drop in the bucket.  about 0.25%  ???
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Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2018, 11:01:23 AM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

just a very rough calculation.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki 130,000 killed.  WWII 50 million??  130,000 was just a drop in the bucket.  about 0.25%  ???

It’s hard not to admire the audacity of attempting to justify your country’s nuclear bomb drops into civilian areas just to see if their new toys worked.

But, this toll was the result of two strikes, on one nation, whereas the larger figure you cite was the result of total war over a 6 year period in many countries.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 12:03:02 PM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

just a very rough calculation.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki 130,000 killed.  WWII 50 million??  130,000 was just a drop in the bucket.  about 0.25%  ???

I had wondered if anyone was going to try and glorify it. It was a truly horrific thing to do and had a non allied country dropped them on the west, the portrayal would be night and day.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 01:05:16 PM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

just a very rough calculation.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki 130,000 killed.  WWII 50 million??  130,000 was just a drop in the bucket.  about 0.25%  ???

I had wondered if anyone was going to try and glorify it. It was a truly horrific thing to do and had a non allied country dropped them on the west, the portrayal would be night and day.

 glorify? Have you ever fought in a war?  there is no glory in war.
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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 01:47:13 PM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

just a very rough calculation.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki 130,000 killed.  WWII 50 million??  130,000 was just a drop in the bucket.  about 0.25%  ???

I had wondered if anyone was going to try and glorify it. It was a truly horrific thing to do and had a non allied country dropped them on the west, the portrayal would be night and day.

More horrific would have been the casualties involved with invading Japan to bring the war to an end. He didn’t glorify anything, that’s just you trying to re-interpret reality so you can bad-mouth the USA. Not today please.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 02:02:52 PM »
Worth remembering that it was an era where dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians was considered acceptable.

Your argument would be better if:

1) The USSR hadn't signed the Geneva Protocol on chemical and bio weapons in the 1920s, which specifically prohibited the weapons' use  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol (search for Russia)

2) It wasn't "whataboutism".

3) I can do whataboutism, too: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/untold-story-vengeful-japanese-attack-doolittle-raid-180955001/
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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM »
My point is whether or not it was the best way to end a war, it’s still incomprehensible to think it was morally right, to nuke innocent civilians. It’s not an attack on the US it’s a statement of fact. If an unfriendly country to the west even discussed doing similar these days, it would be viewed much differently.....another fact.

My second point is that rather than acknowledge the atrocity it’s always defended or justified. This isn’t a normal reaction.

Carry on.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2018, 04:01:29 PM »
My point is whether or not it was the best way to end a war, it’s still incomprehensible to think it was morally right, to nuke innocent civilians. It’s not an attack on the US it’s a statement of fact. If an unfriendly country to the west even discussed doing similar these days, it would be viewed much differently.....another fact.

My second point is that rather than acknowledge the atrocity it’s always defended or justified. This isn’t a normal reaction.

Carry on.

It’s a normal reaction when Russians talk about sending couple million German civilians to Siberia and starving them to death. I’ve heard some Russians real proud that hundreds of thousands of German babies born in Germany at the end of WWII have Russian paternity due to a million German women being raped in Berlin and surrounding areas, some victory party.

Eisenhower starved at least a million German soldiers at wars end. Then there are the horrific firebombings of Hamburg and Dresden, a more horrific way to die if there ever was as opposed to an instant death.

War is hell and to be blunt the Japanese brought it upon themselves when they attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Japanese soldiers committed some horrific atrocities against the Chinese and Japanese scientists conducted horrific medical experiments.

We didn’t fight to lose back then and the damn media was totally controlled by the government.

Carry on.

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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2018, 05:29:15 PM »
The discussion is rather tactless on Independence Day in the United States.
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Re: Stalingrad: Did the Russians use Biological Warfare Agents?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2018, 10:47:16 PM »
My point is whether or not it was the best way to end a war, it’s still incomprehensible to think it was morally right, to nuke innocent civilians. It’s not an attack on the US it’s a statement of fact. If an unfriendly country to the west even discussed doing similar these days, it would be viewed much differently.....another fact.

My second point is that rather than acknowledge the atrocity it’s always defended or justified. This isn’t a normal reaction.

Carry on.

I should have been more succinct, in that what I should have pointed out is that I was dealing with the narrow question of whether Stalingrad was defended by using CBW agents. I wasn't intending to get into "what are the limits of morality in war" which is a separate discussion.
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