How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?

[Maxx]

I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.

What forum was that, RW-G?

[rosco]

My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

It sounds to me like you're chasing the sales pitch. Today's generation of FSU ladies are just as likely to read into celebrity, they adore taking photo's and posting them on instagram (it's what they do) and socialising & enjoying nightlife is normal. I'm 37, been married almost 6 years and met my wife when she was 20. I know a few things about the age group you're chasing.

You sound like a bloke who doesn't need to search the other side of the world for a mystical mate and it would be easier finding a Canadian girl who shares the same lifestyle choices as you. I can assure you, flying half way round the world wont fix your compatibility problems and it sounds like you've bought into the 'cozy home' hype.

I took my first trip when I was 28 because I had a good disposable income, wasn't in a long term relationship and loved an adventure. I'd visited many parts of eastern Europe before, found it interesting and met lots of hot girls on my travels. It's also much easier doing this based in Europe, I don't envy the trips you North Americans have to take but it was still an expensive hobby for me.

When I first met my wife, I spent a bit of time with her friends and she has some cute friends. Most of them would be great to date but very few of them wanted kids at 18, they're all on instagram taking selfies, I don't think any of them enjoy camping in the wild or counting their savings. They're normal women looking to do the same kind of stuff as most people.

Just a heads up but having spent quite a bit of time in Canada, I'd suggest you find a nice Canadian girl unless you have the cash and the appetite for a tough adventure. I met my wife in the FSU and had many a great experience in doing so. Fast forward all these years later and we're still filling out Visa/Immigration forms, throwing money at the government, visiting her family and paying for all the bits you don't need to think about with a local partner.

I'm not talking you out of it because we couldn't be happier but don't think that this is some cheap roll in the hay. I forget his name but some other poster on here recently snagged a Ukrainian girl. They're not even together yet and he's announced that he's not going back to Ukraine now he's bagged his trophy. You'll get long odds on that working out well......

[MBS01]

Ricky:
Glad to see Don posted here as well.  As I suggested via PM do read this trip report as he is giving you a Canadian viewpoint including getting married in the FSU (Lora and I did as well) then bringing his new family home to Canada about 18 months later due to our country's large immigration backlog even for spousal visas.

As to why I did this it is a little different than you: I was older: divorced for about ten years (she was from Brazil); had lost my aunt and parents all in a span of 3 years; took an early retirement; and wanted a partner to share my life with.  When we married Lora was about your age. 

As an example of time spent in the FSU: visited a few ladies over 2 years in both Russia and Ukraine; made 3 trips to visit Lora and got married on the third trip in Ukraine; spent another year apart with visits to Ukraine; came home together to Canada at the end of the second year; all together spent six months living together in Ukraine as a couple before she moved to Canada; and now visit Ukraine together annually to visit family as her parents are also getting older as well.   

As to meeting and finding Lora I first tried some of the "Pay Sites" back before the current pay per letter concept then turned to the Free Sites.  Like others at the time (2002) this worked great for us finding each other.  I still think this will work today, or perhaps some of the Social Media Sites others have mentioned as well.

As to local FSU single ladies here: Canada does have the largest group of people from Ukraine living outside the FSU; the largest Ukrainian Festival in North America is held along Bloor West here in Toronto in early September every year; and Easter is coming so easy to see local lasses at Orthodox Easter Services locally on the evening of Saturday 7, 2018 at local Orthodox Churches here in Toronto.  Where we go downtown for Eastern Easter there will likely be over 1,000 people celebrating for example.  All something for you to consider.

[RickyT]

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Thanks for the info about mamba and loveplanet, I had never heard of them. I used okcupid and plenty of fish and had absolutely no luck.

[RickyT]

Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.

This is what I'm finding too, that when a woman around here is still single at my age there is usually a good reason the other men don't want her.

My choices then seem to be: 1) seek out a much younger woman (eg early 20s), but I doubt I'd have any success with that because why would she settle for an old geezer like me?, or 2) go to a different culture where I'm more likely to find a compatible partner.

Thanks for the links you provided, I am going to start reading them.

[RickyT]

My advice to you is look for a rural gal. Forget the canadiàn cities where frivolous excess is everywhere.

Haha... rural gals tend to get married very young. Any close to my age are either single moms or divorcees, neither of which I'm interested in.

[RickyT]

As to local FSU single ladies here: Canada does have the largest group of people from Ukraine living outside the FSU; the largest Ukrainian Festival in North America is held along Bloor West here in Toronto in early September every year; and Easter is coming so easy to see local lasses at Orthodox Easter Services locally on the evening of Saturday 7, 2018 at local Orthodox Churches here in Toronto.  Where we go downtown for Eastern Easter there will likely be over 1,000 people celebrating for example.  All something for you to consider.

I'll look into it... But I would feel awkward going to some festival alone. I'll try to see if I can find a friend to go with me. And even then, I'm not sure if the girls would appreciate some random creep like me hitting on them. I'm not the type of guy who is comfortable approaching girls in public. I use online dating sites because at least you know the girls on there are there because they are looking for a guy. But girls out enjoying a festival might be there just to enjoy the festival and would regard me as a creep if I tried to get their number.

Also... why is everyone assuming that I'm looking for a Ukrainian girl instead of a Russian one? (not that I have any preference since they're pretty much the same as far as I know, I'm just curious why everyone is making that assumption)

[MBS01]

As to why one thinks of Ukraine ladies instead of Russian ones is mainly since Eurovision Win for European songs Ukraine dropped the Visa requirement for visitors from the EU; USA; Canada, etc.  Russia still requires you to get and pay for a Tourist Visa including details and tickets for your visit before obtaining a visa.  Meanwhile even Russian ladies can also visit Ukraine without a visa as well.  So mainly less hassle especially for a first visit to feel things out to travel to Ukraine.

As to where your love interest is from who cares as long as you are both happy.  Case in point my Lora was born in Russia and moved as a child to Ukraine.  The family lives in both countries as part previously lived in Ukraine and part in Russia.  So once you find the one where she is actually from will not matter really.

[2tallbill]

What forum was that, RW-G?

Yep, It was the Guide

[2tallbill]

Haha... rural gals tend to get married very young. Any close to my age are either single moms or divorcees, neither of which I'm interested in.

Some of the smarter and more adventurous rural girls
move to the city to attend the University, to work or
both. 

[Lord of the Dance]

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

I don't think it constitutes dishonesty until you start lying about it. You've heard of social drinking, no? Well why not social praying? Agnosticism is where you don't believe or disbelieve, correct? So what's the harm in saying a few prayers just to cover the old bum? 

[Rockstar77]

I would say the best way to describe the Ukrainian female mindset of now versus back in the day is pretty clear cut and simple. Us being both Canadians...chances are you went through a recession and it sucks big time. I was in the oil and gas industry both times when they hit and got let go due to cutbacks. When you have rent, bills, car payments, etc and you thought waiting it out for a bit would be fine, Because recessions can only last for a few months. Well...Eventually you have to cave and take what you can get. Any money and work is better then nothing. So did I resort to jobs that I would normally roll my eyes at. Absolutely. Did I do work that I knew I should be making way better money for what it was...sure. But I had to do what I had to do to get by. To get even those average jobs I had to lie and make things up like I had experience and change up my personality during the interviews to make me look to fit the position. But after things got good guess what.. I was gone as fast as I came. Mind you that there was one job out of the many that I thought..hmmm..the money wasn’t that great but I really loved that job and the people I worked with. So if you get anything from this..the Ukrainian female mindset used to work on the same variables. Men coming to their countries didn’t have to be good looking or even that rich. Sure it was more desirable but if you could afford to fly to Ukraine to stay then chances are you already were making a decent living and also you had good intentions of loving and treating the women good. Are those days gone. No but you have to have more going for you now to succeed and it’s not just money. Unfortunately you have to be good looking and funny to get a little vixen that comes with a stunning personality. I’m being honest. If you look at old Soviet movies, you would always see the beautiful actresses but the god awful looking actors and think...girls thought these men were good looking but what else was on tv until these days they have access to European and North American shows or music videos. The average looking man or nerds isn’t portrayed as a hero in our cultures. The days of Ukrainian women just settling is a thing of the past. Why go to Europe or North America when the average man in Ukraine who can speak their language and make a decent living..what’s the need to get out.

I may be wrong and as anyone knows that anything is possible in this world. I’d say you’ll meet success in Ukraine if your pretty decent looking and make a pretty normal living but you’d have to have a stellar personality to even then do well...it isn’t an easy journey but is it worth it...yes. Are you right for leaving Canada to find better women...yes 10000000000%. Every time I see a guy and a girl walking down the street in Canada...I think..you poor fool...run and don’t look back. Are Canadian women trash...friggin right. The only thing they are good for is a few months of fun and dropping them as fast as possible. There’s plenty of gorgeous women in North America but their personalities are the worst. Coming from this post I’m sure my personality will get toasted but I’m just being honest instead of painting a pretty picture. I’ve already succeeded here in Ukraine. I’m here right now and it’s my 10th visit so it’s not like I don’t know the score here. RickyT...if your sick of the Canadian girls mindset. Take a chance in Ukraine. I did and it rocked. Is it expensive...yes..ten visits and average tickets to here every two months is 1000 to 1300 plus living here for 40 to 50 days each time...the money adds up. But hey..it’s just money...I quit smoking and used to spend 500$ a month on cigarettes. No wonder how my poor friends used to be able to go on nice vacations. They didn’t smoke. Good luck.

[Maxx]

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Agnosticism is where you don't believe or disbelieve, correct? So what's the harm in saying a few prayers just to cover the old bum? 

Agnosticism is where you doubt there is a God but consider him a possibility. So your second question about sending out a few prayers for a "just in case" is how agnostics think. However in Scripture God requires faith and belief in him and living as he wants. Doing it your way and not his way is considered disobedience and sin. He wants no part of that. So he is not going to "cover the old bum" of those who willfully disobey him. Such discussions on this board, brings out the demons in some of the members here so be forewarned     

[Maxx]

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

I totally agree with you that a church girl would not be a good fit for you. You would be doing the girl a great disservice by her being yoked to an unbeliever. For me it would work because I am a Christian. I also know your stereotype is just that, a stereotype. A lot of religious people are not as you described. I am a Christian and besides some Georgian monastics I've stepped into I haven't been in a church in 15 years. I rarely pray and I know the earth is far older that 6000 years. Going to church does not necessary turn one into a fanatic.

[Lord of the Dance]

Agnosticism is where you doubt there is a God but consider him a possibility. So your second question about sending out a few prayers for a "just in case" is how agnostics think. However in Scripture God requires faith and belief in him and living as he wants. Doing it your way and not his way is considered disobedience and sin. He wants no part of that. So he is not going to "cover the old bum" of those who willfully disobey him. Such discussions on this board, brings out the demons in some of the members here so be forewarned     

Thanks for the explanation as well as the forewarning Maxx. The last thing I need do is stir the demons of RUA.

[MBS01]

Just a note for RickyT both Rockstar and I found our wives in Dnepr. which is one of the 3 largest cities in Ukraine with over 2 million people living there.  So as noted elsewhere rural gals do move there and also to Kiev or Kharkov for education, work etc. to get ahead in life.  Thus good places to consider finding a lady looking for a soulmate and marriage either local or foreign.

Likewise as well there are direct flights 3 times a week via Austrian Air via Vienna to Dnepr.  Usually on the return flight we spend a few days in Vienna as you have to stay overnight anyway and might as well enjoy seeing the sights in this lovely alpine setting to for a little extra money.
 
Also if you fly into and out of Kiev the road to other parts of the country are in very poor shape due to the ongoing conflict and lack of road work in country.  So a good reason to consider the direct flight to Dnepr. for us when visiting family.

[Contrarian]

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Thanks for the info about mamba and loveplanet, I had never heard of them. I used okcupid and plenty of fish and had absolutely no luck.

You’ll find that most FSU women are not fanatical about religion and rarely go to church. The ones who list Christianity as their religion are actually often agnostic, or they only attend once or twice a year. They dress sexy normally and don’t have the American puritanical guilt about sex. 

[Halo]

If you look at old Soviet movies, you would always see the beautiful actresses but the god awful looking actors and think...girls thought these men were good looking but what else was on tv until these days they have access to European and North American shows or music videos. The average looking man or nerds isn’t portrayed as a hero in our cultures.

You are correct in the observation of Soviet heroes, but sort of missed the point.  You must have been watching the average proletarian movie which frankly, was the average slop served to Soviets.  The edict came down in Stalin's time - a proletarian, or a kolkhoz worker, had to be average looking or below.  Sort of silly, but that was the "ideal".  That was for both males and females.  Good looking actors were mostly in the theatre, not movies, but if in movies, played villains, such as the Whites, thieves, con artists, etc.  Below is such an actor, Vasily Lanovoy, in his role as Anatol Kuragin from War and Peace.  When Lanovoy was admired for his good looks, nasty rumours were circulated by Soviet officials, claiming he was a sexual deviant, to make him less appealing.




Actors FSUW were aware of and loved for their looks (in Soviet times) -

1.  Gregory Peck
2.  Marcello Mastroianni
3.  Alain Delon
4.  Omar Sharif
5.  Timothy Dalton

[Halo]

You’ll find that most FSU women are not fanatical about religion and rarely go to church. The ones who list Christianity as their religion are actually often agnostic, or they only attend once or twice a year.

Depends on the region.  The Ukrainian churches here are well over 50% FSU families (Ukrainian husband, wife, and their children), every Sunday.  A few Ukrainian women who have also compelled their foreign husbands to attend can be seen, but that is rarer in my observation.  That's pretty much in any Ukrainian church I've attended here.  So, I think you are wrong although certainly one can find a non religious woman as well.

[Steveboy]

As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..

 

[justadude]

I think I can sympathize with the original question, although it could have been worded a bit more delicately. Both on my end and on my fiancée’s end we get questions about why we can’t find a partner in our own country. That’s all I’ve got!

Good luck to your whatever you do!