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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 07:56:18 PM »
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 08:42:03 PM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 08:43:18 PM »
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.

Well said!   tiphat
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 01:07:48 AM »
I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

That you can not find the fSU diaspora indicates to me that you are lazy. You found RUA and we have a smaller presence on the Internet than some of the Ukraine/Canadian groups. And for the good order some are families/individuals that are recent arrivals. 

Perhaps if you searched in Mamba or LovePlanet both are Russian/Ukraine facing dating sites and searched within Canada you would be surprised at the numbers of women available.

What would concern me is the stereotypes that you assume. Why not start a new thread in the Married and Wise" section or what ever it is called with a question or questions that I underlined in your posting. It is a worthwhile topic.

My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Rest assured posting on FaceBook or Instagram is alive and well in the fSU, going to clubs and smoking pot all are common daily realities in Ukraine. Though they tend to be more frequent amongst those approximately 28 years and younger. As for getting a degree I have little problem with some one bettering them selves. If they wish to pursue some narrow and obscure subject that is there choice.

As for tattoos they are also seen in the fSU. Not my thing but each to there own. I suspect the actual percentage of women with tattoo's is quite small in Canada and even smaller in Ukraine.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 10:16:59 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game. 

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 11:05:03 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game.

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How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2018, 02:06:07 PM »
I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist
if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k.

If you get an FSU wife after only spending $20K consider yourself lucky.
There are a lot of costs that you don't think about until they start coming.
The government fees are the cheapest part of the bargain. This adventure
requires money, time, and lots of emotional energy and effort.

I easily spent 5 times that amount, but I made a lot of mistakes and
I figured that none of the rules applied to me. I spent boatloads of
money at a pay by the letter and pay to chat site and I spent 9 years
and many trips to various parts of the FSU.

You can do better than I did (spending wise), you can research
everything here and if you can learn from the mistakes of others
then you can save a lot of time, money effort and grief.

Things do pop up, everything from dental bills to lamaze classes
(you said you wanted a large family).  Where will you get married?
In the FSU or Canada? Driving lessons, English lessons, a few little
fender benders, trips back to the FSU every three months or so
while you are romancing her. Then trips back to see Mamma after
you get married.


I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not
sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate
reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here
long ago and are from an older generation.

I would recommend that you start doing some research.

I wrote a how to get started thread here. It's a little outdated but it will
help you start down the right path.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4390.0.html

You can buy the Russian Bride Guide here. The agency section is outdated
but there is a lot of very good information in there.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0955687403/?tag=r0be2e-20

I also recommend reading all the trip reports you can stand

Here are some of trips that I made (I didn't write about all of them)

This is my first trip to the FSU
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,16057.0.html

To St Petersburg
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,467.0.html

Dnepropetrovsk
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,5560.0.html

Tblisi
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,14013.0.html

Girl travels to the USA to meet me
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18168.0.html

Sweet Success eventually
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18537.0.html

Here is a total train wreck story. Myself and several others tried
an intervention, sorta like a friend who joined the moonies and
you wanted to help get him out.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.0.html


I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted
them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm
I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

I always did fairly good with girls, including the USA and Canada. I was
unhappily married for a very long time and this time I wanted a girl who
had it all. I wasn't going to settle for a so-so girl. I wasn't going to
compromise on character, or attitude. I wanted a girl who would love me
and would wake up each morning happy to be in my bed. I wanted an
educated girl, I wanted a smart girl, I wanted a thin girl, I wanted a hot
girl. We had to have common values or I would dump her and move on.

Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.

One day, I got a spam type email telling me about all the wonders of
Russian women. I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.

I figured if those yahoo's could do it, then certainly I could, so I joined a
few sites and started writing letters, I made a trip and was hooked.

Udachi!

Bill
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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 02:40:44 PM »
Hey Ricky, IMO 2TallBill is the Gold standard for quality information on this endeavor. It may take awhile to read all the links he provided you but will be worth the effort. Good luck!
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2018, 09:09:48 PM »
@RickyT, you are on the wrong site if you think 35 is old and requires going all the way to FSU to find a quality woman. Sure, I dislike western women just as much as you do and have little luck with them but I still have not given up my search locally and i'm 39.
Also, remember that the FSU has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years and many of the negatives and immaturities that exist with western women are slowly creeping into the FSU culture as well. As another poster mentioned on here before see if you can join some other groups such as meetup.com (Russian language group for example), especially if you live close to a larger Canadian city and i'm sure you will find some RU/UA women in those expat groups.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2018, 10:01:35 PM »
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", being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there."

  It's rare that this pays off with a loving spouse. It's also costs far more than you think. And if the girl you have wants to live like the geese and fly home every year,  it just compounds the new lifestyle.
 My first trip in 03 cost me 3k CAD.  Why did I go?  Well I was in my early 30's having a rough go at local dating. I found the date sites to be waste of time, as the ones I came across were not what I wanted,  or they didn't  want me. I was also looking for some adventure, and the FSU delivered it in pure gold!
 Give my trip report a read, if you decide to.give this a try, it may help to see what can happen.  Now I'll be honest in saying i loved the chase, at times the kill didn't matter. For the most part I enjoyed my months in the FSU, but it wasn't without heartache and frustration.
 
My advice to you is look for a rural gal. Forget the canadiàn cities where frivolous excess is everywhere.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 11:55:48 PM »
I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.


What forum was that, RW-G?

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2018, 04:06:01 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

It sounds to me like you're chasing the sales pitch. Today's generation of FSU ladies are just as likely to read into celebrity, they adore taking photo's and posting them on instagram (it's what they do) and socialising & enjoying nightlife is normal. I'm 37, been married almost 6 years and met my wife when she was 20. I know a few things about the age group you're chasing.

You sound like a bloke who doesn't need to search the other side of the world for a mystical mate and it would be easier finding a Canadian girl who shares the same lifestyle choices as you. I can assure you, flying half way round the world wont fix your compatibility problems and it sounds like you've bought into the 'cozy home' hype.

I took my first trip when I was 28 because I had a good disposable income, wasn't in a long term relationship and loved an adventure. I'd visited many parts of eastern Europe before, found it interesting and met lots of hot girls on my travels. It's also much easier doing this based in Europe, I don't envy the trips you North Americans have to take but it was still an expensive hobby for me.

When I first met my wife, I spent a bit of time with her friends and she has some cute friends. Most of them would be great to date but very few of them wanted kids at 18, they're all on instagram taking selfies, I don't think any of them enjoy camping in the wild or counting their savings. They're normal women looking to do the same kind of stuff as most people.

Just a heads up but having spent quite a bit of time in Canada, I'd suggest you find a nice Canadian girl unless you have the cash and the appetite for a tough adventure. I met my wife in the FSU and had many a great experience in doing so. Fast forward all these years later and we're still filling out Visa/Immigration forms, throwing money at the government, visiting her family and paying for all the bits you don't need to think about with a local partner.

I'm not talking you out of it because we couldn't be happier but don't think that this is some cheap roll in the hay. I forget his name but some other poster on here recently snagged a Ukrainian girl. They're not even together yet and he's announced that he's not going back to Ukraine now he's bagged his trophy. You'll get long odds on that working out well......

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2018, 08:48:58 AM »
Ricky:
Glad to see Don posted here as well.  As I suggested via PM do read this trip report as he is giving you a Canadian viewpoint including getting married in the FSU (Lora and I did as well) then bringing his new family home to Canada about 18 months later due to our country's large immigration backlog even for spousal visas.

As to why I did this it is a little different than you: I was older: divorced for about ten years (she was from Brazil); had lost my aunt and parents all in a span of 3 years; took an early retirement; and wanted a partner to share my life with.  When we married Lora was about your age. 

As an example of time spent in the FSU: visited a few ladies over 2 years in both Russia and Ukraine; made 3 trips to visit Lora and got married on the third trip in Ukraine; spent another year apart with visits to Ukraine; came home together to Canada at the end of the second year; all together spent six months living together in Ukraine as a couple before she moved to Canada; and now visit Ukraine together annually to visit family as her parents are also getting older as well.   

As to meeting and finding Lora I first tried some of the "Pay Sites" back before the current pay per letter concept then turned to the Free Sites.  Like others at the time (2002) this worked great for us finding each other.  I still think this will work today, or perhaps some of the Social Media Sites others have mentioned as well.

As to local FSU single ladies here: Canada does have the largest group of people from Ukraine living outside the FSU; the largest Ukrainian Festival in North America is held along Bloor West here in Toronto in early September every year; and Easter is coming so easy to see local lasses at Orthodox Easter Services locally on the evening of Saturday 7, 2018 at local Orthodox Churches here in Toronto.  Where we go downtown for Eastern Easter there will likely be over 1,000 people celebrating for example.  All something for you to consider.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2018, 05:20:54 PM »
There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.
Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Thanks for the info about mamba and loveplanet, I had never heard of them. I used okcupid and plenty of fish and had absolutely no luck.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2018, 05:27:33 PM »
Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.
This is what I'm finding too, that when a woman around here is still single at my age there is usually a good reason the other men don't want her.

My choices then seem to be: 1) seek out a much younger woman (eg early 20s), but I doubt I'd have any success with that because why would she settle for an old geezer like me?, or 2) go to a different culture where I'm more likely to find a compatible partner.

Thanks for the links you provided, I am going to start reading them.


 

 

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