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How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« on: March 09, 2018, 05:50:25 PM »
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2018, 08:14:46 PM »
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

IMO it's not an age thing as much as it's a time, money and effort thing (you should have plenty of each). If you have the desire and gumption you should go for it. And here's a hint: don't tell anyone what you're doing... they'll all try to dissuade you and call you an idiot. 
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 12:26:02 AM »
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2018, 04:54:27 AM »
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..

Hopefully it was just poor wording on his behalf but if he thinks international dating is an easy default, he’ll get chewed up and spat out.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2018, 05:51:53 AM »
Also,

Please bear in mind that the cost of succesful dating in the FSU will have an extra $10.000 - $20.000 minimum price tag attached.

This covers visa fee's, translators, embassy's , plane-tickets and other things a local date won't have to bother with.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 06:03:28 AM »
Also,

Please bear in mind that the cost of succesful dating in the FSU will have an extra $10.000 - $20.000 minimum price tag attached.

This covers visa fee's, translators, embassy's , plane-tickets and other things a local date won't have to bother with.

And that's before you buy cars, houses and holidays with your new wife!!  :chuckle:

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2018, 06:51:55 AM »
Welcome to RUA!

For what it is worth there is in Canada the largest Ukraine diaspora, some in the Toronto region and the majority Westward. It might be worthwhile meeting some from this community before contemplating the former Soviet Union.

In the meantime ask questions and read threads.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2018, 09:34:33 AM »
Thanks to everyone who replied with useful info (I'm going to ignore the trolls who only posted to attack me). I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k. The cost to sponsor a spouse to Canada is about $1000. I'm sure plane tickets and food/lodging in Ukraine/Russia are nowhere near 10-20k. And even if they are, I have a decent amoutn of savings so I'm not concerned with that.

I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2018, 10:01:41 AM »
Thanks to everyone who replied with useful info (I'm going to ignore the trolls who only posted to attack me). I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k. The cost to sponsor a spouse to Canada is about $1000. I'm sure plane tickets and food/lodging in Ukraine/Russia are nowhere near 10-20k. And even if they are, I have a decent amoutn of savings so I'm not concerned with that.

I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

One trip will easily cost $3,500 all together including real costs of dating a woman, provided you find a woman to shack up with for a couple of weeks.

I cannot imagine accomplishing everything for less than 10 to 20K and you’re seriously naive to think so. I also didn’t notice any guys trolling you so best grow a thicker skin.

Were I looking:

I’ve always liked foreign women. I also like women who dress nice, do their hair and nails and are slender or at least HWP. I like women who like men and don’t have huge hang ups about sex.

Obesity, tattoos, ignorance about world geography and the world at large are turnoffs.

That eliminates about 90% of the Western women who are single.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 10:14:41 AM »
I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

I think you'll come to find most reasoning subjective, like for me personally, because the most attractive women I've ever seen have come from Ukraine. I want an attractive mate and I would be remiss if I did not at least investigate the possibility of a FSU partner. 
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2018, 10:51:08 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2018, 11:17:24 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I agree with your impressions about WW 100% (western women). Boorish mercurial entitled mindless Kardashian loving zombies.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2018, 12:20:40 PM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2018, 12:39:09 PM »
Ok reality check time here

As many know here I spend a lot of time travelling UK to Russia and actually partly living there with my wife
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1. They all have mobile phones and sit on insta, classmates etc social networking
2. Most of the younger ladies will love to go dancing and socialising
3. lots are between relationships. . and grandma is looking after daughter or son
4. everything is available to them there as it is in the west ...If they can afford or get someone to buy for them
6. If your looking for a lady with good family values then you will have to take the chance as you do in Canada..It is not a prerequisite built in option
bear in mind that many years has now passed sine the FSU collapsed so any thing under 29 years does not have a real clue because it did not exist in their lives

other than that it's a chase that if done properly and diligently will or can provide you a great partner.. but believe me make sure your also up to the task

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2018, 04:49:38 PM »
I don't limit myself when it comes to what I want and that includes where the goals are in the world!

If the guitar amp is in the US. If the drum kit is in the UK or just in the nearby city. I don't mind the journey or the cost. When it comes to Miss right for marriage and family the same applies and my location since 1986 has not really helped the situation in locating her only being close once but other interest was more important at the time.

Still I would like the female qualities to be there and I have found what I need not having to somehow look for it in my country but the age group is less interesting above 35 and less femine/attractive than I would like. 

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 07:56:18 PM »
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.

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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 08:42:03 PM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 08:43:18 PM »
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 01:07:48 AM »
I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

That you can not find the fSU diaspora indicates to me that you are lazy. You found RUA and we have a smaller presence on the Internet than some of the Ukraine/Canadian groups. And for the good order some are families/individuals that are recent arrivals. 

Perhaps if you searched in Mamba or LovePlanet both are Russian/Ukraine facing dating sites and searched within Canada you would be surprised at the numbers of women available.

What would concern me is the stereotypes that you assume. Why not start a new thread in the Married and Wise" section or what ever it is called with a question or questions that I underlined in your posting. It is a worthwhile topic.

My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Rest assured posting on FaceBook or Instagram is alive and well in the fSU, going to clubs and smoking pot all are common daily realities in Ukraine. Though they tend to be more frequent amongst those approximately 28 years and younger. As for getting a degree I have little problem with some one bettering them selves. If they wish to pursue some narrow and obscure subject that is there choice.

As for tattoos they are also seen in the fSU. Not my thing but each to there own. I suspect the actual percentage of women with tattoo's is quite small in Canada and even smaller in Ukraine.
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 10:16:59 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game. 

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 11:05:03 AM »
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game.

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How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2018, 02:06:07 PM »
I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist
if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k.

If you get an FSU wife after only spending $20K consider yourself lucky.
There are a lot of costs that you don't think about until they start coming.
The government fees are the cheapest part of the bargain. This adventure
requires money, time, and lots of emotional energy and effort.

I easily spent 5 times that amount, but I made a lot of mistakes and
I figured that none of the rules applied to me. I spent boatloads of
money at a pay by the letter and pay to chat site and I spent 9 years
and many trips to various parts of the FSU.

You can do better than I did (spending wise), you can research
everything here and if you can learn from the mistakes of others
then you can save a lot of time, money effort and grief.

Things do pop up, everything from dental bills to lamaze classes
(you said you wanted a large family).  Where will you get married?
In the FSU or Canada? Driving lessons, English lessons, a few little
fender benders, trips back to the FSU every three months or so
while you are romancing her. Then trips back to see Mamma after
you get married.


I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not
sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate
reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here
long ago and are from an older generation.

I would recommend that you start doing some research.

I wrote a how to get started thread here. It's a little outdated but it will
help you start down the right path.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4390.0.html

You can buy the Russian Bride Guide here. The agency section is outdated
but there is a lot of very good information in there.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0955687403/?tag=r0be2e-20

I also recommend reading all the trip reports you can stand

Here are some of trips that I made (I didn't write about all of them)

This is my first trip to the FSU
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,16057.0.html

To St Petersburg
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,467.0.html

Dnepropetrovsk
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,5560.0.html

Tblisi
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,14013.0.html

Girl travels to the USA to meet me
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18168.0.html

Sweet Success eventually
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18537.0.html

Here is a total train wreck story. Myself and several others tried
an intervention, sorta like a friend who joined the moonies and
you wanted to help get him out.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.0.html


I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted
them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm
I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

I always did fairly good with girls, including the USA and Canada. I was
unhappily married for a very long time and this time I wanted a girl who
had it all. I wasn't going to settle for a so-so girl. I wasn't going to
compromise on character, or attitude. I wanted a girl who would love me
and would wake up each morning happy to be in my bed. I wanted an
educated girl, I wanted a smart girl, I wanted a thin girl, I wanted a hot
girl. We had to have common values or I would dump her and move on.

Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.

One day, I got a spam type email telling me about all the wonders of
Russian women. I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.

I figured if those yahoo's could do it, then certainly I could, so I joined a
few sites and started writing letters, I made a trip and was hooked.

Udachi!

Bill
FSUW are not for entry level daters. FSUW don't do vague FSUW like a man of action so be a man of action  If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane. There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.
Get an apartment not a hotel. DON'T recycle girls

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 02:40:44 PM »
Hey Ricky, IMO 2TallBill is the Gold standard for quality information on this endeavor. It may take awhile to read all the links he provided you but will be worth the effort. Good luck!
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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2018, 09:09:48 PM »
@RickyT, you are on the wrong site if you think 35 is old and requires going all the way to FSU to find a quality woman. Sure, I dislike western women just as much as you do and have little luck with them but I still have not given up my search locally and i'm 39.
Also, remember that the FSU has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years and many of the negatives and immaturities that exist with western women are slowly creeping into the FSU culture as well. As another poster mentioned on here before see if you can join some other groups such as meetup.com (Russian language group for example), especially if you live close to a larger Canadian city and i'm sure you will find some RU/UA women in those expat groups.

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Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2018, 10:01:35 PM »
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", being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there."

  It's rare that this pays off with a loving spouse. It's also costs far more than you think. And if the girl you have wants to live like the geese and fly home every year,  it just compounds the new lifestyle.
 My first trip in 03 cost me 3k CAD.  Why did I go?  Well I was in my early 30's having a rough go at local dating. I found the date sites to be waste of time, as the ones I came across were not what I wanted,  or they didn't  want me. I was also looking for some adventure, and the FSU delivered it in pure gold!
 Give my trip report a read, if you decide to.give this a try, it may help to see what can happen.  Now I'll be honest in saying i loved the chase, at times the kill didn't matter. For the most part I enjoyed my months in the FSU, but it wasn't without heartache and frustration.
 
My advice to you is look for a rural gal. Forget the canadiàn cities where frivolous excess is everywhere.


 

 

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