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Offline Omega1982

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Importing fiance and child
« on: February 01, 2018, 08:36:45 PM »
Hello gentlemen.  I hope everyone is well.  I am communicating with a single mother aged 30 from Moscow which has a small daughter.  We met last year in Moscow.  She is divorced and she has taken her daughter to Turkey several times for vacation.  So she has some permission from the father.  I have not been able to obtain a clear answer from her so I ask here.  What document is needed to legally bring the daughter here.  Would the father (which also lives in Moscow) have to sign something else?  I'm thinking that one thing is to have permission to go on holiday and the other is to relocate permanently.  Thus far I have only received two responses regarding this issue in the past couple of months.  The first response was "I know what I have to do when the time comes".  The second response was "if this is too much of a problem for you then stop communicating with me".  I know she's been to Turkey with her daughter several times. 

On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession? 

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018, 11:01:33 PM »
Block your lady! Does she have another anatomy? ;D :ROFL:
Please, for my example. When my son entered the Cadet Corps of Russia (Moscow, Strogino),

http://www.ksh1700.ru/index/0-2

 the biological father did not give permission to live in Moscow! And I worked there! So these are officers. And you are talking about public catering) :ROFL:. Simply, you are lost in the vastness of Russia. :thumbsup: tiphat

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2018, 01:37:21 AM »
On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession?
Why wouldn't it be a legitimate profession?

My opinion is that you're in over your head if you doubt such things.


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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2018, 01:50:52 AM »
Hello gentlemen.  I hope everyone is well.  I am communicating with a single mother aged 30 from Moscow which has a small daughter.  We met last year in Moscow.  She is divorced and she has taken her daughter to Turkey several times for vacation.  So she has some permission from the father.  I have not been able to obtain a clear answer from her so I ask here.  What document is needed to legally bring the daughter here.  Would the father (which also lives in Moscow) have to sign something else?  I'm thinking that one thing is to have permission to go on holiday and the other is to relocate permanently.  Thus far I have only received two responses regarding this issue in the past couple of months.  The first response was "I know what I have to do when the time comes".  The second response was "if this is too much of a problem for you then stop communicating with me".  I know she's been to Turkey with her daughter several times. 

On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession?

Is English your first language?

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2018, 02:52:03 AM »
Hello gentlemen.  I hope everyone is well.  I am communicating with a single mother aged 30 from Moscow which has a small daughter.  We met last year in Moscow.  She is divorced and she has taken her daughter to Turkey several times for vacation.  So she has some permission from the father.  I have not been able to obtain a clear answer from her so I ask here.  What document is needed to legally bring the daughter here.  Would the father (which also lives in Moscow) have to sign something else?  I'm thinking that one thing is to have permission to go on holiday and the other is to relocate permanently.  Thus far I have only received two responses regarding this issue in the past couple of months.  The first response was "I know what I have to do when the time comes".  The second response was "if this is too much of a problem for you then stop communicating with me".  I know she's been to Turkey with her daughter several times. 

On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession?

Is English your first language?

No.  It's my third language after Cantonese and Russian. 

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 03:01:04 AM »
Hello gentlemen.  I hope everyone is well.  I am communicating with a single mother aged 30 from Moscow which has a small daughter.  We met last year in Moscow.  She is divorced and she has taken her daughter to Turkey several times for vacation.  So she has some permission from the father.  I have not been able to obtain a clear answer from her so I ask here.  What document is needed to legally bring the daughter here.  Would the father (which also lives in Moscow) have to sign something else?  I'm thinking that one thing is to have permission to go on holiday and the other is to relocate permanently.  Thus far I have only received two responses regarding this issue in the past couple of months.  The first response was "I know what I have to do when the time comes".  The second response was "if this is too much of a problem for you then stop communicating with me".  I know she's been to Turkey with her daughter several times. 

On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession?

Is English your first language?

No.  It's my third language after Cantonese and Russian.

I wasn’t sure about your background but it makes sense.

With regards to your post, it all sounds a bit sketchy. If she’s suggesting you stop communicating with her over simple questions about a hypothetical future, don’t waste your time communicating with her or finding out about “importing” them.

She sounds like trouble.

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2018, 05:55:51 AM »
Hello gentlemen.  I hope everyone is well.  I am communicating with a single mother aged 30 from Moscow which has a small daughter.  We met last year in Moscow.  She is divorced and she has taken her daughter to Turkey several times for vacation.  So she has some permission from the father.  I have not been able to obtain a clear answer from her so I ask here.  What document is needed to legally bring the daughter here.  Would the father (which also lives in Moscow) have to sign something else?  I'm thinking that one thing is to have permission to go on holiday and the other is to relocate permanently.  Thus far I have only received two responses regarding this issue in the past couple of months.  The first response was "I know what I have to do when the time comes".  The second response was "if this is too much of a problem for you then stop communicating with me".  I know she's been to Turkey with her daughter several times. 

On another note, the ex husband owns several night clubs in Moscow.  Do you guys think this is a legitimate profession?

I don't know about the US rules, but for the UK, a letter of agreement to leave Russia is required, would think its the same for the US.
If she is the ex-wife of a Moscow night club owner (several as you say), its a mafia racket, my advice to you would be to take big steps (as in run like hell) away from this situation, stop all communications.
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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2018, 08:41:20 AM »
I gotta say that I agree with Gipsy. The guy might be a lovely fellow and everything and I'd not be too worried about that stuff except that the woman is behaving in a non-sensible manner.

What she is wanting to do, reading between the lines is sort out the child problem without your input. That means it will not be done right and stuff not done right equals the end of the relationship because the paperwork won't, well, ...work.

My guess, her plan is to bugger off without saying anything to anyone, that'd explain her attitude to you because she knows, on some level that this won't work and that you would know it won't work.

Here's a trick, a suggestion, a lesson that can be learned: Set some standards for yourself. Don't accept the first woman who says 'yes' (and don't tell us otherwise!)

Don't settle for damaged goods - and if we can see damaged goods writ large here then you should be able to do so!

The woman you marry should not make your life worse by being in it. She should not present you with problems and not allow you input into their solution. If that's her strategy it will always be her strategy - and the same goes for the emotional blackmail.

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 10:13:37 AM »
I'd walk away, simply because of the rudeness of her answers. IF she was really in to you and serious - you'd not be getting such answers - sorry ..

BTW, being previously married to a nightclub owner in Russia ( with whom your 'target' has had kids )  should not preclude a relationship leading to living abroad. Some Dad's are 'happy' to rely on another man to provide.

I know someone in that situation - who has residency rights - and works in a reasonably well-paid position...


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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 01:09:33 PM »
3 out of 3 (Rosco, Gypsy and Andrew) have given you excellent advice. Good luck to you. BTW were you serious about speaking Russian fluently?

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 04:41:08 PM »
Dissenting voice - why does the ex matter? He’s the ex. As to her and the child, she’s told you she knows what to do when and if it becomes relevant. Obviously she isn’t ready to move to you (where’s “here”, btw?), and she knows the steps if and when it becomes relevant. That’s why you got the second answer.

I’m not sure about Turkey, but there are some countries women can travel with their children without consent from the ex.


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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 05:08:11 PM »
I don't know the regulations regarding Russian travel with children, but for a tourist visa to the USA, families can travel as a group to this country.  Don't know if the father needs to be contacted to obtain his permission, but if they have been to Turkey previously, I would think it wouldn't be necessary.  Owning night clubs could be legitimate.  It would be easy to find other women there especially if you are the owner.

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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 11:17:55 PM »
Thank you Andrew and Gypsy.  As always I agree and appreciate your vast knowledge and intelligence and firsthand experience of in country living. 

The supply of young and attractive women in Russia willing to relocate to America has decreased, and in turn many times the price has also increased.  This one is actually half Russian half Soviet (non Slavic).  In what would have seemed like a logical substitute to a scarce good, resulted in a damaged good.  There are some basic economic concepts here. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 12:41:38 AM »
Thank you Andrew and Gypsy.  As always I agree and appreciate your vast knowledge and intelligence and firsthand experience of in country living. 

The supply of young and attractive women in Russia willing to relocate to America has decreased, and in turn many times the price has also increased.  This one is actually half Russian half Soviet (non Slavic).  In what would have seemed like a logical substitute to a scarce good, resulted in a damaged good.  There are some basic economic concepts here.

What you may mean by this, is possibly, "The supply of Russian women looking for a foreign (US) man to marry may well have seen a reduction"...Possibly in part to the perceived current US-Ru situation (Amongst other reasons), however you should note the mentality of Ru ladies.
I would venture to suggest that, IF they fall in love with a foreign (read US) man, they will follow him to the ends of the earth if necessary..
That  is my own experience only, other men (posters here) may have different opinions of course...
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Re: Importing fiance and child
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2018, 12:43:00 AM »
Dissenting voice - why does the ex matter? He’s the ex. As to her and the child, she’s told you she knows what to do when and if it becomes relevant. Obviously she isn’t ready to move to you (where’s “here”, btw?), and she knows the steps if and when it becomes relevant. That’s why you got the second answer.

I’m not sure about Turkey, but there are some countries women can travel with their children without consent from the ex.
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I would think that this is not exactly correct.....
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