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« on: January 21, 2018, 02:13:44 PM »
Curious how people feel. I lived In one fo the safest cities in Canada, and although I can’t report any serious issues, I feel even safer in Moscow. In fact, Moscow feels to me the safest place I’ve ever been. No worries of issues nor even any apprehensions.

I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?


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Re: Safety
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 03:42:54 PM »
Curious how people feel. I lived In one fo the safest cities in Canada, and although I can’t report any serious issues, I feel even safer in Moscow. In fact, Moscow feels to me the safest place I’ve ever been. No worries of issues nor even any apprehensions.

I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?

Engaging thoughts Jerash. As a person who has not yet visited Moscow, your words are encouraging to me. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel Moscow is such as safe place? What city did you come from in Canada? Without incriminating Moscow, I do have personal experience in Canada (we own a cottage in the Madawaska Valley, Ontario) and I can't imagine a people / place being more friendly, hospitable and safer than up there.

Yes, the concealed carry concept doesn't sit well with many foreigners. I can only suggest you try it and it may cure your chills. Just as many foreigners don't understand our need to carry guns, I don't understand how people often argue, 'self defense is not a valid reason to carry.' Have those folks never run across a bear before? We get bears in our driveway all the time. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 05:08:49 PM »
Curious how people feel. I lived In one fo the safest cities in Canada, and although I can’t report any serious issues, I feel even safer in Moscow. In fact, Moscow feels to me the safest place I’ve ever been. No worries of issues nor even any apprehensions.

I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?

If you have bears in your driveway, you have a need for a gun.

I don't, I live in a city, there's nothing wild here.  No one here has a gun and there's no safety issues.  I'd hate to be the first with a gun here.  I'd rather shoot myself than someone else.  I don't believe in killing.

How to elaborate on Moscow?  I lived in Ottawa, one of the safest cities in Canada. As I said, no real problems there, but I feel even safer here.  I don't worry about walking home at any time of day, and I imagine girls would feel the same.  Nothing at all ever came up.  Yesterday there were some drunkards yelling loudly.  We hurried up so as not to interact with them  but the bizarre thing is since I've been is Moscow, thats the first time it happened.

I just feel very safe here.  People are very civilized.  I've been in many parts of Moscow and it's all the same.  Sometimes in Ottawa, I would get nervous about something; that doesn't even come up here.

Engaging thoughts Jerash. As a person who has not yet visited Moscow, your words are encouraging to me. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel Moscow is such as safe place? What city did you come from in Canada? Without incriminating Moscow, I do have personal experience in Canada (we own a cottage in the Madawaska Valley, Ontario) and I can't imagine a people / place being more friendly, hospitable and safer than up there.

Yes, the concealed carry concept doesn't sit well with many foreigners. I can only suggest you try it and it may cure your chills. Just as many foreigners don't understand our need to carry guns, I don't understand how people often argue, 'self defense is not a valid reason to carry.' Have those folks never run across a bear before? We get bears in our driveway all the time.

If you have bears in your driveway, you have a need for a gun.

I don't, I live in a city, there's nothing wild here.  No one here has a gun and there's no safety issues.  I'd hate to be the first with a gun here.  I'd rather shoot myself than someone else.  I don't believe in killing.

How to elaborate on Moscow?  I lived in Ottawa, one of the safest cities in Canada. As I said, no real problems there, but I feel even safer here.  I don't worry about walking home at any time of day, and I imagine girls would feel the same.  Nothing at all ever came up.  Yesterday there were some drunkards yelling loudly.  We hurried up so as not to interact with them  but the bizarre thing is since I've been is Moscow, thats the first time it happened.

I just feel very safe here.  People are very civilized.  I've been in many parts of Moscow and it's all the same.  Sometimes in Ottawa, I would get nervous about something; that doesn't even come up here.


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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 05:16:08 PM »
Curious how people feel. I lived In one fo the safest cities in Canada, and although I can’t report any serious issues, I feel even safer in Moscow. In fact, Moscow feels to me the safest place I’ve ever been. No worries of issues nor even any apprehensions.

I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?


Engaging thoughts Jerash. As a person who has not yet visited Moscow, your words are encouraging to me. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel Moscow is such as safe place? What city did you come from in Canada? Without incriminating Moscow, I do have personal experience in Canada (we own a cottage in the Madawaska Valley, Ontario) and I can't imagine a people / place being more friendly, hospitable and safer than up there.

Yes, the concealed carry concept doesn't sit well with many foreigners. I can only suggest you try it and it may cure your chills. Just as many foreigners don't understand our need to carry guns, I don't understand how people often argue, 'self defense is not a valid reason to carry.' Have those folks never run across a bear before? We get bears in our driveway all the time.

Madawaska country is very beautiful and i've often been through there on the way to Algonquin Park.  I'm sure everyone up that way owns guns, and I have no issue with it!

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2018, 07:58:41 PM »
Madawaska country is very beautiful and i've often been through there on the way to Algonquin Park.  I'm sure everyone up that way owns guns, and I have no issue with it!

Algonquin park - Alright! It's interesting to converse with someone from the same general area. Often when I talk with someone from Canada they're from a city I've never heard of before. Ottawa is a wonderful place that we've spent some time in as well.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2018, 08:09:28 PM »
If you have bears in your driveway, you have a need for a gun.

I don't, I live in a city, there's nothing wild here.  No one here has a gun and there's no safety issues.  I'd hate to be the first with a gun here.  I'd rather shoot myself than someone else.  I don't believe in killing.

How to elaborate on Moscow?  I lived in Ottawa, one of the safest cities in Canada. As I said, no real problems there, but I feel even safer here.  I don't worry about walking home at any time of day, and I imagine girls would feel the same.  Nothing at all ever came up.  Yesterday there were some drunkards yelling loudly.  We hurried up so as not to interact with them  but the bizarre thing is since I've been is Moscow, thats the first time it happened.

I just feel very safe here.  People are very civilized.  I've been in many parts of Moscow and it's all the same.  Sometimes in Ottawa, I would get nervous about something; that doesn't even come up here.

I understand what you mean about killing - I feel the same way. Have never had to defend myself with a gun and hope it remains that way (but if the situation would happen to arise, it would most likely be against an animal - I sure hope anyway). Here in the US we have those who'll abuse our liberal firearms policies by carrying powerful rifles in public simply because they can. Of course we also have issues with massacres, police brutality, gang shootings and accidents, but that comes with the territory I guess.

Because of sentiments like yours, my attitude toward Moscow is changing... can't deny that it has an intimidation factor in my mind, but I think a visit will remedy this feeling. If the worst you have to contend with is an occasional group of shouting drunkards, I'd count myself lucky! Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sochi are on my visit list.   
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2018, 08:29:25 PM »
If you have bears in your driveway, you have a need for a gun.

I don't, I live in a city, there's nothing wild here.  No one here has a gun and there's no safety issues.  I'd hate to be the first with a gun here.  I'd rather shoot myself than someone else.  I don't believe in killing.

How to elaborate on Moscow?  I lived in Ottawa, one of the safest cities in Canada. As I said, no real problems there, but I feel even safer here.  I don't worry about walking home at any time of day, and I imagine girls would feel the same.  Nothing at all ever came up.  Yesterday there were some drunkards yelling loudly.  We hurried up so as not to interact with them  but the bizarre thing is since I've been is Moscow, thats the first time it happened.

I just feel very safe here.  People are very civilized.  I've been in many parts of Moscow and it's all the same.  Sometimes in Ottawa, I would get nervous about something; that doesn't even come up here.

I understand what you mean about killing - I feel the same way. Have never had to defend myself with a gun and hope it remains that way (but if the situation would happen to arise, it would most likely be against an animal - I sure hope anyway). Here in the US we have those who'll abuse our liberal firearms policies by carrying powerful rifles in public simply because they can. Of course we also have issues with massacres, police brutality, gang shootings and accidents, but that comes with the territory I guess.

Because of sentiments like yours, my attitude toward Moscow is changing... can't deny that it has an intimidation factor in my mind, but I think a visit will remedy this feeling. If the worst you have to contend with is an occasional group of shouting drunkards, I'd count myself lucky! Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sochi are on my visit list.

You would be very welcomed. Muscovites are very open to tourists, not like other places in Europe where they are annoyed or worse by your presence.

As I said, it’s very safe, I work here and use the metro every day. Even at rush hour on the metro, everyone is normal, just understand it’s each man for himself and no apologies are given nor expected.  In rush hour, there are a lot of people, everywhere, that’s the issue. 

Sochi will be lovely , and I’m sure Peter too. Moscow is great. I guess it’s like New York but twice the size. Piles of 24 hour options and lots of English. You won’t have a problem if you were considering visiting. As I said, I never even think about the hour when I’m walking in the streets.  Nothing happens, which is how I want it!))


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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2018, 08:56:40 PM »
While I lived in Ottawa and its environs for 11 years, I think Algonquin Park was the most beautiful place around, and certainly where many of my best memories are.  Where abouts in the Madawaskas?  The Polish area?

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 12:38:27 AM »
You would be very welcomed. Muscovites are very open to tourists, not like other places in Europe where they are annoyed or worse by your presence.

As I said, it’s very safe, I work here and use the metro every day. Even at rush hour on the metro, everyone is normal, just understand it’s each man for himself and no apologies are given nor expected.  In rush hour, there are a lot of people, everywhere, that’s the issue. 

Sochi will be lovely , and I’m sure Peter too. Moscow is great. I guess it’s like New York but twice the size. Piles of 24 hour options and lots of English. You won’t have a problem if you were considering visiting. As I said, I never even think about the hour when I’m walking in the streets.  Nothing happens, which is how I want it!))

I've never lived in a large city before, but I can understand the 'every man' concept - fairly universal I would imagine. But it's good to know that Moscow is friendly to tourists; that's important to me. Of course speaking English and having access to those 24-hour establishments is also a major benefit. Perhaps Moscow will be my first destination in Russia. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 01:21:01 AM »
While I lived in Ottawa and its environs for 11 years, I think Algonquin Park was the most beautiful place around, and certainly where many of my best memories are.  Where abouts in the Madawaskas?  The Polish area?

Our cottage is situated on Kamaniskeg lake (between Barry's Bay and Combermere). Yes, Algonquin is a tranquil, gorgeous place. The calm waters of the area's glacial lakes are good for rowing and the pristine column visibility makes for excellent diving opportunities (lots of old wooden steamers to check out).

Do you have any plans to eventually return to the Ontario region?   
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2018, 04:55:24 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2018, 05:21:49 AM »
I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

You're welcome to stay in Canada, then, where, the way things are going, you will get carted off to Maoist Re-Education Camp for referring to a man in a dress as "he".  Good luck with that.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?

Fine and dandy in the US.  I've owned guns for more than 40 years.  Afraid of my firearms?  Then don't break into my house.  There are literally tens of millions of gun owners in the country. If you want to be amazed by something be amazed by how law-abiding we are. 

In the US, the only place you need to be worried are places where guns are banned - liberal, Democrat-run shitholes like Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, Newark, Baltimore, etc.

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2018, 08:22:12 AM »
I imagine it could be different in the US since everyone is packing. The idea of it simply chills me.

You're welcome to stay in Canada, then, where, the way things are going, you will get carted off to Maoist Re-Education Camp for referring to a man in a dress as "he".  Good luck with that.

In terms of safety, what are other countries like? How do people feel in the countries they are living in?

Fine and dandy in the US.  I've owned guns for more than 40 years.  Afraid of my firearms?  Then don't break into my house.  There are literally tens of millions of gun owners in the country. If you want to be amazed by something be amazed by how law-abiding we are. 

In the US, the only place you need to be worried are places where guns are banned - liberal, Democrat-run shitholes like Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, Newark, Baltimore, etc.

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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2018, 12:09:45 PM »
I'm sure there are areas in Moscow that are not very safe,  but I  never felt  threatened even walking alone in the  middle of the night.
How you dress and looking out of place can lead to problems as the  bloke in the article found out while in Kiev.

HIPSTER HATE CRIME Brit tourist, 23, beaten unconscious by Ukraine thugs had teeth knocked out ‘because of his bright pink hair and piercings’

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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2018, 02:04:35 PM »
I'm sure there are areas in Moscow that are not very safe,  but I  never felt  threatened even walking alone in the  middle of the night.
How you dress and looking out of place can lead to problems as the  bloke in the article found out while in Kiev.

So, here's the thing: It's basically like the 80s  there.  Don't do anything you wouldn't do in Manhattan or Philly, and you'll be fine.  Do dumb shit like get hammered, grope unwilling women, or act/dress like a gay guy and yeah, you might get roughed up.

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