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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 06:21:09 AM »
It is a faulty strategy but one that suits those managers whose regional and cultural knowledge is lacking.

I rather doubt that one could point at a single case where U.S creation and/or support of insurgent/terrorist organisations has had a positive effect upon U.S geopolitical goals - unless a significant, but covert, desired outcome is chaos. The cynic in me tends toward the idea that chaos IS a desired outcome. There are economic and political benefits to such a strategy and it is among the easiest strategies to set up and manage.

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 10:35:45 PM »
It is a faulty strategy but one that suits those managers whose regional and cultural knowledge is lacking.

I rather doubt that one could point at a single case where U.S creation and/or support of insurgent/terrorist organisations has had a positive effect upon U.S geopolitical goals - unless a significant, but covert, desired outcome is chaos. The cynic in me tends toward the idea that chaos IS a desired outcome. There are economic and political benefits to such a strategy and it is among the easiest strategies to set up and manage.

We could start with support of Partisans in WWII - but one huge example of your flawed thinking ...

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 01:59:32 PM »
Russia's Putin visits Syria airbase and orders start of pullout

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42307365
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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2017, 03:41:47 PM »
It is a faulty strategy but one that suits those managers whose regional and cultural knowledge is lacking.

I rather doubt that one could point at a single case where U.S creation and/or support of insurgent/terrorist organisations has had a positive effect upon U.S geopolitical goals - unless a significant, but covert, desired outcome is chaos. The cynic in me tends toward the idea that chaos IS a desired outcome. There are economic and political benefits to such a strategy and it is among the easiest strategies to set up and manage.

We could start with support of Partisans in WWII - but one huge example of your flawed thinking ...

You don't 'get' thinking do you?
Here's a thought for you so you can see how this thinking lark works:
Q: What was the purpose of resistance movements supported by the Western allies in World War 2?
A: To create disruption and chaos and by doing so reduce the morale of the occupying forces.

See how this thinking works?

Here's another thought for you:
Q: Apart from the obvious 'their cowardly terrorists, our brave freedom fighters' what is signaly different between the overwhelming majority of U.S supported terrorist groups and WW2 resistance movements?
A: The United States tends to support, post WW2, groups that seek to disrupt and overthrow a legitimate government. Allied support of resistance movements in WW2 was in support of groups seeking the restoration of sovereignty and legitimate government to states that had been invaded.

Ah, thought, such fun when one gives it a whirl.  :'(

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2017, 11:31:51 PM »
Quote from: andrewfi link=topic=27016.msg474096#msg474096
We could start with support of Partisans in WWII - but one huge example of your flawed thinking ...

Quote from: andrewfi link=topic=27016.msg474096#msg474096
You don't 'get' thinking do you?

Here's a thought for you so you can see how this thinking lark works:

Q: What was the purpose of resistance movements supported by the Western allies in World War 2?

A: To create disruption and chaos and by doing so reduce the morale of the occupying forces.


See how this thinking works?

Here's another thought for you:

Q: Was that the only reason for supporting the resistance movements or there were also Ulterior Motives too, included in their support by the allies, for after the occupying forces moved out of the country? ???

A: Not in the case of Greece where the UK supported both camps, Left and right, and when the occupying German forces moved out, then a "civil war" was started in DEC 1944, at the instigation of the UK Government and PM Churchill  to "Divide and Rule" and impose their puppet King George and in 1947 the Americans took over to help the country rebuilt its self ........

To my knowledge that "friendly" support and the "divide and Rule policy", still persist today by both allies, UK and USA.  >:(
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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2017, 11:46:14 PM »
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You don't 'get' thinking do you?
Here's a thought for you so you can see how this thinking lark works:
Q: What was the purpose of resistance movements supported by the Western allies in World War 2?
A: To create disruption and chaos and by doing so reduce the morale of the occupying forces.

See how this thinking works?

Here's another thought for you:
Q: Apart from the obvious 'their cowardly terrorists, our brave freedom fighters' what is signaly different between the overwhelming majority of U.S supported terrorist groups and WW2 resistance movements?
A: The United States tends to support, post WW2, groups that seek to disrupt and overthrow a legitimate government. Allied support of resistance movements in WW2 was in support of groups seeking the restoration of sovereignty and legitimate government to states that had been invaded.

Ah, thought, such fun when one gives it a whirl.  :'(


A lot of meaningless words..my example was but one of many success stories geo-political aim achieved) you conveniently 'forgot' ..

@Wiz

Much of what you say about broken promises and divide and rule is true, but you overlook the fact the not only the UK played nationalist freedom fighters for their own end or as a distraction for problems at home.....

Ask the Greek Junta how the 'take-over' of Cyprus worked out?

Right now, in Syria, some folks are 'celebrating' the 'victory' over ISIS, when the losers are simply an oppressed majority.




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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2017, 12:32:03 AM »
I have no doubt about ulterior motives, and in a general case exceptions are to be expected; but this is a forum, not a political science lecture. My point was to help our forum indigent member to use his brain.

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2017, 01:48:33 AM »
I have no doubt about ulterior motives, and in a general case exceptions are to be expected; but this is a forum, not a political science lecture. My point was to help our forum indigent member to use his brain.

I only presented another side of the so called Support of the resistance during WWII.

On the other hand, you know him very well and I wonder why you still answer to his drivel?

Aren't you tired?
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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2017, 03:03:59 AM »
Sorry Wiz, I am but an imperfect human.

I failed in following my own guidelines. :(

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2017, 06:23:48 AM »
It is a faulty strategy but one that suits those managers whose regional and cultural knowledge is lacking.

I rather doubt that one could point at a single case where U.S creation and/or support of insurgent/terrorist organisations has had a positive effect upon U.S geopolitical goals - unless a significant, but covert, desired outcome is chaos. The cynic in me tends toward the idea that chaos IS a desired outcome. There are economic and political benefits to such a strategy and it is among the easiest strategies to set up and manage.

We could start with support of Partisans in WWII - but one huge example of your flawed thinking ...

Just been catching up and its great to see our resident troll continuing to pollute the forum, obtusely disagreeing with everyone.

Yawn.  :Zzzzsleep:

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2017, 06:52:21 AM »
Do you guys still doubt that the Soviet school of fighter pilots is the best in the world?!  tiphat

https://youtu.be/hXyceS0wHLs


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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2017, 08:18:11 AM »
Do you guys still doubt that the Soviet school of fighter pilots is the best in the world?!  tiphat

https://youtu.be/hXyceS0wHLs

The RAF no doubt, gave the Germans their first bloody nose in 1940 during WW2 and no finer display team than the Red Arrows now...


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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2017, 09:32:34 AM »
Here is Annushka's song, 'Officer' live from the Kremlin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPZFNe2N5kY

Interesting to see V. Putin in the front row.

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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2017, 11:22:31 AM »
Do you guys still doubt that the Soviet school of fighter pilots is the best in the world?!  tiphat

https://youtu.be/hXyceS0wHLs

A discussion about Soviet pilots would be incomplete without mentioning the "night witches," as the Germans called them.

Those girls would fly slow, obsolete, unarmored aircraft in the dark of night without navigation equipment or parachutes. They were hated and feared by the Nazis because they were relentless and unstoppable. They would ignore anti-aircraft fire, engage in dogfights with technologically superior German aircraft and would even ram them in the air as a last resort. Despite the movies that were made about them, most Westerners have never heard of them.
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Re: Russia has liberated Syria from ISIS.
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
This is our Svetlana Kapanina.

https://youtu.be/osjFdVCOtck

Aerobatics.

https://youtu.be/u9Fz3ZefM3w