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Travel to/from Luhansk
« on: November 07, 2017, 09:51:36 AM »
Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Luhansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 09:56:24 AM »
Dont even think about it - deception equals 10 year visa ban, Ukraine isnt consudered a warzone not that she’d be granted a visit visa anyway.


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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 10:59:51 AM »
Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Luhansk for about a year.

Have you met her in person?

I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".

Is she not a Ukr citizen?  If she is, why does she need a 'fixer' for a passport?

I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!

She's not likely to get a tourist visa, and not likely to get "refugee" status either.  Go meet her in Ukraine in Kyiv or Kharkiv.  Your'e talking "marriage" to a woman you have evidently never met. 

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 11:32:39 AM »
Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Luhansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!

Scam alert!

Rule 1)

Go meet her in Ukraine. Kharkov or Odessa or Dnipro or Kiev.

Chances are you’re writing to hairy Boris, IOW you’re writing to a photo.

Don’t be surprised when the request for airfare comes. Don’t do it!

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 02:00:58 PM »


Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Luhansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!

Scam alert!

Rule 1)

Go meet her in Ukraine. Kharkov or Odessa or Dnipro or Kiev.

Chances are you’re writing to hairy Boris, IOW you’re writing to a photo.

Don’t be surprised when the request for airfare comes. Don’t do it!

Not many scammers will waist a year of communication and not have gotten  some money from time to time.



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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 02:41:10 PM »
Thanks for the quick responses.
I think there is a resource for me here once we get past the scam advice. I will try not to be too wordy. We communicate directly by email, and have exchanged enough pictures of her and the 2 year old to know it's not Boris. A year is too long for scammers, who use the same pictures and approach and are pretty obvious, but never say never, I am prepared for that.

Brief background, when I found this board three years ago I could not decide which was worse, the age difference advice or the scam alerts. My last wife was thirty years younger and we are still raising three teenagers. The first two are happily remarried to much better men, so I am pretty well versed in American women, and think I have had enough of them. I am training for a half triathlon and nothing is broken yet.

The lady in Kharkiv that I was writing about in 2014 with all the flaming responses on this board got cancer and died, and I took two years off. The loveme site produced 9,000 letters from women in three months. I answered two of them, and this is the brave one. I have invested $250 to that dating site, including her contact info, before we went direct, they were cheap and except for all the scam letters.
As of July 2017, Luhansk, No train service, no mail, and border crossings with checkpoints which I don't want to experience at this point, and she either can't or won't go to Kiev for papers because of her daughter. The fixer at $500 is a bargain, and again, even if I get scammed it was all much cheaper than analysis. Her letters of support and encouragement have been great. And I don't need advice about pool boys either!

The problem is if I ignore the state department advice and go through Kiev or Russia, Don Rostov, and train to her city, I am at risk and not thrilled, although I considered it because it appears the only way to get a fiance visa. I don't want to go to cities where they still blow up monuments and kill people.
The lawyers are pretty confidant that if we can get her and the child here somehow, they have enough clout to keep her.
This is not soulmate or sex driven stuff, guys, I really want to give her and the child a better life. (Dad fled during the war and she has never heard from him again, she had the baby while they were shelling the airport). Scammers are not that inventive (I think).
Thanks for letting me ramble, not a lot of internet resources for this dilemma, any thoughts or even corrections of my conceptions would be helpful.

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 02:46:49 PM »
Just noticed you are from USA, not proper Irish, I know nothing about US visa system....
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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 04:52:32 PM »
Even if the lady who you have communicated with is genuine and sincere, the probability of getting a tourist visa from someone in Ukraine (without significant assets and strong reasons to return back to her country) is very small because the US immigration visa procedures always default to assume that the visa applicant will violate the visa provisions (even if they swear that they won't).  The applicant will be treated as a potential illegal alien.  This is all spelled out on the USCIS website.  And if there is any hint that she is trying to find someone to marry here, that would automatically disqualify her from getting a visa.  Foreigners with few assets have almost no chance of getting a tourist visa.  They may have a better chance with the diversity visa program (Ukraine residents can apply), but you may not get selected for years, if ever.

Note that if you are an Irish alien in the US, the ability to petition another alien into the country is very limited.  Permanent residents usually are behind US citizens in terms of petition filing priority processing for relatives. 

N.B.  That truck driver who ran over the people in lower Manhattan did come into this country through the diversity lottery visa program.  Supposedly, over 30 people were also admitted through his intervention.  So "green card" holders appear to be able to petition others from his country.

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 04:54:41 PM »
Even if the lady who you have communicated with is genuine and sincere, the probability of getting a tourist visa from someone in Ukraine (without significant assets and strong reasons to return back to her country) is very small because the US immigration visa procedures always default to assume that the visa applicant will violate the visa provisions (even if they swear that they won't).  The applicant will be treated as a potential illegal alien.  This is all spelled out on the USCIS website.  And if there is any hint that she is trying to find someone to marry here, that would automatically disqualify her from getting a visa.  Foreigners with few assets have almost no chance of getting a tourist visa.  They may have a better chance with the diversity visa program (Ukraine residents can apply), but you may not get selected for years, if ever.

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 05:45:05 PM »
If you're trying to get things in order I do have a couple questions.
The lady has a young daughter, does she have full custody? If not you will fist need to get this in order.

I'm a bit skeptical about her not wanting to go to Kiev, most of your problems would be eliminated if she was willing to make the small effort.
She may be sincere, but I am having some doubts.

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 07:35:05 PM »
Sorry about the user name Irishalien, which I use because I can remember it, almost as a joke.  My family came to the united states in 1630, mom was just excited that after the english genealogy search we were mostly irish before that, cheered us all up.
Thanks, some good thoughts. Let's see what the "fixer" can do and i will talk to her some more about trip to Kiev. this is actually helping! Yay

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 07:52:41 PM »
She does not drive and I accept it is a bit problematic to go from the donblass to Kiev and do the border crossing at checkpoints, then stay there and return. I assume as a reasonably corrupt society as I have read I can get her a passport for the cost/risk of that trip.
She has full custody and has not seen the father since he fled during the fighting. I really appreciate new information, which is why i think the internet is a good resource.
thank you both

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 08:21:57 PM »
First problem as I see it.  What Passport will she get for her and the child?  Ukrainian, Russian, or something else?  As that part of the country is semi-independent or under Russian control.  Even if she got to Kiev would they even consider issuing a passport considering where she is from?  Even if you have a "Fixer" would that passport stand up to admission for a foreign visa?

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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 08:44:48 PM »
Little information on Ukrainian passports.

Ukrainian Biometric Passport. Only The Facts

http://ukrainian-passport.com/blog/biometric-passport-only-the-facts/
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Re: Travel to/from Luhansk
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 08:58:27 PM »
Again, thanks for the thoughts. She has hopes of a Ukrainian valid passport for her and the child. I am beginning to understand that this area where she lives does not have a stable solution, after reading the U.S. appointment of a diplomat to try to solve this area and Crimea through the Minsk agreement.
Evidently no one here has a Luhansk relationship, but the thoughts and interaction are actually helpful.
Thank you so much