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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 02:10:30 PM »
As apparently I can't back out now from some GLITCH on the website, Ste said to ?Many Questions?, "Not much of a Buddist"? or along those lines.  I responded with a laugh and the tip of the hat.

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 02:16:24 PM »
But they don't pay any debts!!  :laugh: :ROFL:

But, Steve, what are they supposed to pay their debts with?  Debts?  :laugh:

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 02:52:01 PM »
I think that's what's called a false equivalency.

However, it is likely that the Mexican economy will bear the cost of the wall, when built, but it is unlikely that any Mexican will actually get out a purse and give the cash to somebody in the United States.

We don't care if Mexico pays for the wall. The savings will come in the form of decreased crime and violence against our citizens. Decreased flow of drugs. Being able to get services at an Emergency Room without waiting in line with illegals clogging it up. Etc. Etc.

We can easily save 100 Billion a year and get our country back.

So, Mexico doesn't have to pay for the wall anymore?  I thought it was very clear in Trump's campaign.  Oh right.

What if you went to work Confederate?  Your taxes could help pay for the wall and Emergency room services too.  Oh whoops, that's just socialist!  Better stay at home and collect your food stamps and post all day here!  :ROFL:


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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 03:41:09 PM »
I think that's what's called a false equivalency.

However, it is likely that the Mexican economy will bear the cost of the wall, when built, but it is unlikely that any Mexican will actually get out a purse and give the cash to somebody in the United States.

We don't care if Mexico pays for the wall. The savings will come in the form of decreased crime and violence against our citizens. Decreased flow of drugs. Being able to get services at an Emergency Room without waiting in line with illegals clogging it up. Etc. Etc.

We can easily save 100 Billion a year and get our country back.

So, Mexico doesn't have to pay for the wall anymore?  I thought it was very clear in Trump's campaign.  Oh right.

What if you went to work Confederate?  Your taxes could help pay for the wall and Emergency room services too.  Oh whoops, that's just socialist!  Better stay at home and collect your food stamps and post all day here!  :ROFL:

If the wall is built it'll fall down like so many of their bridges...
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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 06:46:48 PM »
I think that's what's called a false equivalency.

However, it is likely that the Mexican economy will bear the cost of the wall, when built, but it is unlikely that any Mexican will actually get out a purse and give the cash to somebody in the United States.

We don't care if Mexico pays for the wall. The savings will come in the form of decreased crime and violence against our citizens. Decreased flow of drugs. Being able to get services at an Emergency Room without waiting in line with illegals clogging it up. Etc. Etc.

We can easily save 100 Billion a year and get our country back.

So, Mexico doesn't have to pay for the wall anymore?  I thought it was very clear in Trump's campaign.  Oh right.

What if you went to work Confederate?  Your taxes could help pay for the wall and Emergency room services too.  Oh whoops, that's just socialist!  Better stay at home and collect your food stamps and post all day here!  :ROFL:

Let me guess -- been taking private msgs. from Mad Maxx and believing his conspiracy theories?

How's your communal apartment going for you? Must be a drag to live with 3 others and walk by that dining room table everyday but not be able to use it.   :ROFL:   :ROFL:   :ROFL:

In regards to the wall there's many ways Trump can hold Mexico accountable. Read Popka's post upthread. More important is to build it and reap the savings.

Illegal crossings are down by over 50 percent and ICE agents praise the Trump administration --  much progress compared to the last admin.

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2017, 10:36:10 PM »
My apologies, I posted Yukos 'shareholders' - I meant Management

@Andrewfi : I wasn't aware that the European Court of Human Rights was a 'minor' Court and the ruling was in FAVOUR of the Plaintiff and the compo was TWENTY-ONE times bigger than any other compo ruling handed down. 

In summary Russia hasn't paid up and created new laws to discourage other member nations of the Council of Europe from enforcing the compensation - by simply stealing assets of member nations ( in Russia )  who dared to to enforce......


@Steveboy...   I have 'no idea' why I lived in Cyprus - where ethnic cleansing - was nigh on perfect or the UK - which had flawed policy on Ireland and 'my' people ran the show to the point that constituency boundaries were drawn in such a way that a nationalist city like 'Derry' couldn't return an MP reflecting the views of the maj of people - but I 'managed' ...thanks for your 'concern'...


Lest some passer by might actually believe my doctored profile or your 'opinion', I choose to live a not inconsiderable time in Russia because of my partner, the location ( Sochi) and I have some good friends here.  Life is wonderful - for us - personally.

I'm not a 'patriot' regarding the place I was born and I'm not adverse to pointing out on here the mistakes I believe are being made in the UK / Russia / America,etc .. 

Naturally, I will fill in my Visa Application - honestly - and I have nothing to fear - as last time I checked - Russia was supposed to be a Democracy and Free Speech is encouraged and censorship doesn't happen - right ? ...... 

Getting back to the point - we can see that Russia doesn't always 'pay up', either ...  and my pointing this out seems to 'upset' you - the chap who makes bizarre comments about Germans, Ukrainian Women ........ 

The UK hasn't paid Cyprus for the use of it's military bases there for over 50 years, btw ...   The USA is WAY behind with it's bills to the UN.

Goodness, I may lose my UK Citizenship and not be 'allowed' to America for mocking their President ..... 







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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2017, 03:34:10 AM »
Money savings made by transferring costs to Mexico is a form of payment. Those transferred costs are already taking place and started when the plan to complete the existing wall was announced.

Each illegal migrant who chose to not enter the United States is a net reduction in costs to the United States. Those discouraged migrants remain a cost to Mexico. Hence Mexico is already paying for the wall.

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2017, 03:54:16 AM »
On the other side of the coin each cheap economic immigrant denied entry means a job for an American worker who will want three times more pay pushing the price of stuff up costing joe public.

The capitalist machine needs exploitable cheap labour to feed itself.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 04:49:28 AM »
Errm, no. Illegal migrants get paid less than market rates. Because of this they tend to be burdensome on the whole economy.

Businesses that can not afford to legally employ and pay market rates are businesses that have already failed and are being subsidised by their workers and indirectly by the wider economy.

The matter of whether U.S workers are competitive and productive at the rates they charge is a separate issue and related to the degree to which having the benefit of global reserve currency subsidises unproductive and uncompetitive labour.

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2017, 06:36:21 AM »
Errm, no. Illegal migrants get paid less than market rates. Because of this they tend to be burdensome on the whole economy.

That is not what we heard about the farmers in Lincolonshire. Remember the story of the gang master that went to prison?

Well we did not expected the Greek farmers to act differently with all the 1000's illegal !
I read that they are paid 2 euro an hour to collect veggies.....

Few years ago I knew a UKR woman, illegal immigrant that was paid in N. London £2 an hour making sandwiches for the petrol stations.

Everywhere the illegal immigrants are treated the same.....
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2017, 06:48:41 AM »
Yes, Wiz, illegal migrants don't get paid the same as legal workers. In English this means they get paid less than market rates.

If unsure about that point then, probably, the reasons they are a drag on the economy are also unclear.
1) They pay no taxes.
2) Yet they consume social benefits such as health care, education, roads, police and legal services.
3) Policing illegals costs money which is not regained from the illegals or their employers.
4) Every national whose job is replaced by an illegal receives social benefits for which they have previously contributed thus reducing the volume of benefits available to all nationals.
5) Each job replaced by an illegal reduces the amount of money available for consumption within the economy. Even if the employer makes extra profits from such practices not all the gain is taxed and not all is spent in the same way as normal consumption and thus produces efficiency losses.

There's more but that's enough to get on with.

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2017, 09:52:37 AM »
Illegal crossings are down by over 50 percent and ICE agents praise the Trump administration --  much progress compared to the last admin.

In that sense, the wall has already been built.  Meanwhile Trudeau has suddenly re-discovered that Canada has immigration laws now that Shit Got Real for him about how many migrants from the Dirt World were showing up on Canada's shores.   :chuckle:

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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2017, 02:43:12 PM »
Yes, Wiz, illegal migrants don't get paid the same as legal workers. In English this means they get paid less than market rates.

If unsure about that point then, probably, the reasons they are a drag on the economy are also unclear.
1) They pay no taxes.
2) Yet they consume social benefits such as health care, education, roads, police and legal services.
3) Policing illegals costs money which is not regained from the illegals or their employers.
4) Every national whose job is replaced by an illegal receives social benefits for which they have previously contributed thus reducing the volume of benefits available to all nationals.
5) Each job replaced by an illegal reduces the amount of money available for consumption within the economy. Even if the employer makes extra profits from such practices not all the gain is taxed and not all is spent in the same way as normal consumption and thus produces efficiency losses.

There's more but that's enough to get on with.

Andrew completely agree with your comments. I was only pointing out that in all or most of the countries, Illegal immigrants, are treated the same........people who employ them are taking advantage of their position.

On the other hand it is pretty obvious that the relevant authorities are aware of the situation and in most cases they turn a blind eye, otherwise the cost to the consumers would be more expensive.

What I understand, is that the people who make large amounts of profit are the sellers of the final products to he consumers.

One thing you may have forgot is that these illegal immigrants who live in very poor conditions, e.g too many people in a room etc..... somehow they manage to sent money back home to support their families, therefore loss of taxable income and currency for the state.

Today there was a big debate on LBC regarding the illegal immigrants. Very interesting program indeed to hear various opinions on the subject.
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Re: Kiev refuses to pay Russian debt
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2017, 03:06:48 PM »
Illegals here in the US are now quite diverse. It is no longer only the Mexican farm workers in California. There are many where I live locally that own businesses (Brazilian or Venezuelan) or cater to their own countrymen in certain niches like tax prep or real estate. Taxes are paid by many usually, but they game the system in other manners as Andrew mentions. The large sums they send overseas hurts the local economy.

In any case they are taking a good job from a willing American, not doing undesireable type work like washing dishes.

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2017, 03:47:36 PM »

Not much of a Bhuddist are we?



Where did I post on here that I am a Buddhist? I am a follower of most of Buddha's philosophy and not a Buddhist. See the difference. I do not want to let go of every possession I have at this moment in time. I will be giving away my possessions to my wife and children when I am dead. There are luxuries like the newest house, car, appliance, ect. that I can live without, though.



The power over the mind and the ability to let go of negative emotions while also being patient. Finding and pursuing what you want to do in life. Finding your own place in the world and not relying on others to help you all the time. Don't dwell on the past, don't worry about the future, and live in the present. Finding the truth in the world through critical thinking. Achieving self-actualization by achieving all the goals in your life. Do you honestly believe you have to be a Buddhist to believe that? Anyone from any religious background can follow his advice and apply it to their life.


As apparently I can't back out now from some GLITCH on the website, Ste said to ?Many Questions?, "Not much of a Buddist"? or along those lines.  I responded with a laugh and the tip of the hat.


I think you are funny, too. I won't even go into detail about all the grammar and punctuation errors that you made in that one sentence since people can make mistakes while typing fast.  You even misspelled the word "Buddhist".  "As apparently"? Don't you mean just "Apparently"? Don't you also mean "because of some glitch on the website." instead of "from some glitch on the website.". As an English teacher, is it not your job to recognize these errors and correct them?

You need to learn to let go of you're negative emotions and not stew over everything I or others post. Seriously, you get angry over internet posts on a forum? That is small stuff.

I also wasn't mad at all when AvDhB stated an opinion that he thought "Prehistoric Life" was for 10 year olds. I just pointed out the fact that fossil collectors, paleontologists, and other museum enthusiasts also like Prehistoric Life and left it at that. I like the book, he does not. His opinion, I don't care.  :biggrin:

 Jerry, Jerash, or whatever your name is. Everyone here knows my name, what I look like, my email address, ect. At least I don't hide behind an avatar or my screen name anymore when I crack jokes or state my opinions that might offend people. I would prefer the other readers not be so sensitive, but that is not always the case. 


Unlike you, I don't sweat the small stuff anymore. I don't even sweat the big stuff anymore. I probably shouldn't even respond to this post, but I am. Just don't mistake that for me actually caring about what you think.  :)

I don't even get mad anymore when people shout horrible things to me in the street. They can make up any story or say any lie about me that they want because I know deep down that it is not the truth. I just shrug my shoulders and let go of such negative emotions. Life is too short to be angry all the time.  :biggrin:

Again, folks, sorry for straying off topic.