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Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:32:07 PM »
Now this REALLY Sucks

I use a VPN :

1/ To securely connect to a biz server in the UK

2/ Transfer money - when online to UK Bank

3/ Watch UK TV

4/ When using free Wifi - horribly insecure

From  Nov 1st - if I use a VPN - when in Russia -  I'll be breaking the law !!

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40774315[url]

Putin bans VPNs in web browsing crackdown

The irony is that Russians rushed to help Ukrainians with VPNs to get around the Ukraine's ban on many RU sites....



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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 11:16:14 PM »
Update:

Was at a Dacha of a biz partner and we had a 'BBQ' ( Shashllk and Salad - best I ever tasted ) up in the hills above Sochi.

The VPN ban came up and and it was pointed out that the use of VPNs to visit banned sites was illegal .... not the act of using a VPN ?

As the ISP can see I'm using one, and will be duty bound to report it - doesn't this mean that the authorities will then be busy checking up on the end user ?   

So, I mustn't visit linkedin.com ( banned here - for not agreeing to store RU citizens data in Russia) and other banned sites and I'll be 'OK' ?

When I use Teamviewer to connect to my UK based home PC -using Teamviewer- I'm effectively using a VPN connection, too.

If anyone knows the exact nature of this ban - I'd certainly appreciate it ...



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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 04:29:14 AM »
Update:

Was at a Dacha of a biz partner and we had a 'BBQ' ( Shashllk and Salad - best I ever tasted ) up in the hills above Sochi.

The VPN ban came up and and it was pointed out that the use of VPNs to visit banned sites was illegal .... not the act of using a VPN ?

As the ISP can see I'm using one, and will be duty bound to report it - doesn't this mean that the authorities will then be busy checking up on the end user ?   

So, I mustn't visit linkedin.com ( banned here - for not agreeing to store RU citizens data in Russia) and other banned sites and I'll be 'OK' ?

When I use Teamviewer to connect to my UK based home PC -using Teamviewer- I'm effectively using a VPN connection, too.

If anyone knows the exact nature of this ban - I'd certainly appreciate it ...


You have a Russian Business partner.. thats very interesting.. :laugh:

Personally I don't understand what all the commotion is about with the VPN ? I have never ever even thought of using one? I come to live in Russia with Russian people and live the Russian life.. I don't need to watch Coronation street or Eastenders.. the last thing I would ever want is to see anything to do with the UK every day thank you very much! :laugh:


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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 05:32:38 AM »


You have a Russian Business partner.. thats very interesting.. :laugh:

You'll have to ask Wiz what we do - it will be interesting to hear ;)

Personally I don't understand what all the commotion is about with the VPN ? I have never ever even thought of using one? I come to live in Russia with Russian people and live the Russian life.. I don't need to watch Coronation street or Eastenders.. the last thing I would ever want is to see anything to do with the UK every day thank you very much! :laugh:

Funnily enough, the 'commotion' is about being able to view sites from all over the world ... for example I cannot view a Yacht race organiser's site as it - like many sites - doesn't seem to encourage Russian IP addresses ....

I'm more of a Poldark and BBC thriller man, myself

I used the VPN to watch the Tour de France, F1 GPs  - in English ...   I have access to 100 + RU channels - at the Dacha ( Tricolor sat tv ) but it is good to see other nations 'news' ...;)






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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 05:51:46 AM »
Personally I don't understand what all the commotion is about with the VPN ? I have never ever even thought of using one? I come to live in Russia with Russian people and live the Russian life.. I don't need to watch Coronation street or Eastenders.. the last thing I would ever want is to see anything to do with the UK every day thank you very much! :laugh:
Like Mark, I also use a VPN to connect to my business securely and to watch Dutch TV in Russia because my ISP thinks I am at home.

I also don't trust public internet, so using a VPN to first create a secure route before starting a bank-transfer is a very good idea.

I have heard stories of people using a public internet to goto their bank (forged website with forged DNS records) and then giving up their login-details to someone that shouldn't have them.

Luckily the NL has only 1 bank that is breakable like that (ING!) and the others are secure against this type of attack.

But there are lots of good reasons to use VPN, as said.
* Banking business from public internet access
* Offices that use VPN's to create a multi-location intranet
* Work-at-home with resources that are otherwise unavailable
etc.

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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 05:54:29 AM »
If anyone knows the exact nature of this ban - I'd certainly appreciate it ...
Use the translate dutch=>english:

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/127791/rusland-doet-proxies-tor-en-vpns-in-de-ban.html
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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 05:58:03 AM »
The P in VPN is the key - private. It’s a secure end-to-end tunnel, even if the other bloke is sat next to you.

I’d suggest this issue is more about the ability to snoop on citizens rather than stopping people watching Corrie.

And you can carry on living like a Russian, restricted access to more credible news and fed the Putin Party line!
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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 06:00:32 AM »
If anyone knows the exact nature of this ban - I'd certainly appreciate it ...
Use the translate dutch=>english:

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/127791/rusland-doet-proxies-tor-en-vpns-in-de-ban.html

Right, so I have read the article. VPN providers that are not meant for anonymizing are not affected.
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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 06:07:34 AM »

Use the translate dutch=>english:

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/127791/rusland-doet-proxies-tor-en-vpns-in-de-ban.html

Thanks Markje,

I've read the article and where I'm lost is how the law is going to differentiate between those accessing site illegal within Russia- such as Linkedin  - and expats / visitors doing their banking / watching home TV

As I understand - the ISP cannot see your destination - just that you use a VPN ?

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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 06:14:07 AM »
The P in VPN is the key - private. It’s a secure end-to-end tunnel, even if the other bloke is sat next to you.

I’d suggest this issue is more about the ability to snoop on citizens rather than stopping people watching Corrie.

And you can carry on living like a Russian, restricted access to more credible news and fed the Putin Party line!

BUT I like to listen to the new about Mr Putin.. its very interesting, he's been fishing recently so have been enjoying watching him ...

Im not interested in the BBC or any other boring biased stuff...and any way EVERY one is snooping on EVERYONE in the UK.. its the most snooped on spied on country in the world.. Big Brother lives there in London actually..

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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 09:41:55 AM »




Im not interested in the BBC or any other boring biased stuff...

..and the Kremlin owed / controlled by stooge Oligarch mates of the Kremlin isn't biased ? :)))




and any way EVERY one is snooping on EVERYONE in the UK.. its the most snooped on spied on country in the world.. Big Brother lives there in London actually..

If you are referring to surveillance cameras - you might have a point - but  I'm quite happy to be observed  - as a law abiding citizen ..

IF you are referring to the net / phone calls - then you are talking nonsense .... In Russia - for an example -  the FSB have more rights to 'snoop' than in the UK - at the ISP.... and in the UK one doesn't have to report one's ID  if having more than 3k followers on Social media

Naturally, Mrs May has plans to make your incorrect view more like reality



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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 12:29:28 PM »
Surely a VPN over an SSL connection is the answer? :prophead:

No point reading the biased BBC article linked above, as with anything, if you want the facts go to the source:

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The bill also does not apply to corporate users if they need VPN services for their work.

More accurate info: https://www.rt.com/politics/398087-putin-signs-into-law-bill/

It can't be rocket science to arrange for oneself a UK hosted server with an SSL connection setup in such a way to allow one to access a browser of one's choice?

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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2017, 12:57:15 PM »




Im not interested in the BBC or any other boring biased stuff...

..and the Kremlin owed / controlled by stooge Oligarch mates of the Kremlin isn't biased ? :)))




and any way EVERY one is snooping on EVERYONE in the UK.. its the most snooped on spied on country in the world.. Big Brother lives there in London actually..

If you are referring to surveillance cameras - you might have a point - but  I'm quite happy to be observed  - as a law abiding citizen ..

IF you are referring to the net / phone calls - then you are talking nonsense .... In Russia - for an example -  the FSB have more rights to 'snoop' than in the UK - at the ISP.... and in the UK one doesn't have to report one's ID  if having more than 3k followers on Social media

Naturally, Mrs May has plans to make your incorrect view more like reality


You maybe a law abiding citizen in the UK , but your not in Russia are you? I thought you have a few visa irregularities like teaching a little English and making movies for YouTube... :ROFL:

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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2017, 02:26:57 PM »


You maybe a law abiding citizen in the UK , but your not in Russia are you? I thought you have a few visa irregularities like teaching a little English and making movies for YouTube... :ROFL:

Perhaps you should report me ...  do they have a 'Wasting Police Time' offence in Russia ?  - YAWN


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Re: Russia Bans the Use of Some Anonymising VPNs
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2017, 02:45:49 PM »

Use the translate dutch=>english:

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/127791/rusland-doet-proxies-tor-en-vpns-in-de-ban.html

Thanks Markje,

I've read the article and where I'm lost is how the law is going to differentiate between those accessing site illegal within Russia- such as Linkedin  - and expats / visitors doing their banking / watching home TV

As I understand - the ISP cannot see your destination - just that you use a VPN ?
As I understood it, they aren't. They're just going to check if the VPN offers anonymity as a service to block em.

If you are then caught doing illegal stuff using the VPN, they want to be 100% sure they can acquire the real identity of the VPN-User by asking the VPN provider.
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