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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2017, 01:06:45 PM »
The room price thing comes in when staying at a place that is not a motel and there are not many motels in Russia. Most hotels, around the world charge by room occupancy. A room for one costs less than double occupancy. The problem comes when a bloke whose previous 'hotel' experience is of roadside motels assumes that the world conforms to his expectations, cheaps out and pays only for single occupancy.

Another point, and not a minor one - has any man other than me ever come across the female habit of 'marking'?
Marking is why no sensible man would entertain more than one woman in any apartment he rented but it is not an issue in an hotel.

So, Andrew, what is marking?
Well, everyone else, except the women coz they already know: marking is where a woman will hide 'something' 'somewhere'. The code is indecipherable to men but women send messages using this system. So, if you entertain Julya on night one, have a night off and then Olya pops by on night 3 - you as the diligent and thoughtful swain will have cleaned up the place. You chucked out the panty shield wrappers, made sure there was no trace of makeup on any bedding, even found and gotten rid of the discarded razor used for last minute tidying up, and made sure there was adequate shampoo and balsam to wash the hair of the Russian Miss World contingent. Everything is good. You are getting on well with Olya - until, she finds a pair of panties and NOT the ones that Julya had been wearing. Maybe its not the panties, maybe it is an eyeliner. You will not get away with blaming that on poor maintenance, you've been nobbled.

Sometimes everything is going well, you go to the toilet and when you come back Olya is getting herself ready to leave. Something happened in the minute you were relieving yourself but you don't know what - it was the marker!

An hotel is much more easily controlled AND housekeeping, in a decent place, already know where to find markers and remove them - its their job!

Women use markers to signal their claim upon a bloke, or if she doesn't much like the bloke, as a spoiler to mess with the man's life. The marker is an impenetrable signal. The discovery of a marker is the best antidote to passion after a bloke farting while his girl is giving him a blowjob.
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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2017, 01:17:14 PM »
BTW, the marking phenomenon has a sophisticated corollary.

If you are bloke who has several lady friends then the girls will send signals to their successor. So, if Julya asks something like 'have you seen Olya recently?' you can take it as read that Julya has just found something that she knows is Olya's in some hidden part of your home.

In this situation the marker won't spoil your night of passion because the girls know the other players and may even be friendly with each other. This is a way of keeping score.
This corollary may even have some advantage to us guys because, as a scoring mechanism it motivates the players to get higher scores and higher scores come from more frequent marking. :)

I rather doubt that any bloke who makes initial or occasional visits is ever going to enjoy the benefits of the corollary because he simply won't have the necessary network for it to happen but he can sure as shit be torpedoed by the first version!
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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2017, 03:52:57 PM »
Paying for 2 guests v. 1 guest has no difference in price, not as far as I'm aware anyway.

Yes, it's a few kopecks more for double occupancy, cheap as chips maybe?
(did I use your saying correctly?) I would pay it and avoid any potential
problems.


I presume there is a story behind the "An apartment or hotel won't fix anything for the punters who get locked up/in for New Years eve" quote? Did someone get locked in an apartment on NYE :ROFL:

Yes, and it got way worse than that.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.0.html

Don't get me wrong, I can cook however if I'm holiday, why would I cook? I'm on holiday and I'm not going to be slaving over the stove and if I meet someone, I wouldn't want her cooking either and I very much prefer eating at restaurants, I probably spend 80% of time eating out :king:

The beauty of having a kitchen is that you can cook, not that you have to
cook and the same goes with your girl. You can always go to a restaurant
or a cafe (if they are open) I have invited and been invited to other peoples
flats in the FSU. It's far easier to invite people to your flat than your room.
It's far easier for somebody to accept an invitation to a flat than your hotel
room.

I saw an attractive girl in a restaurant while on a date with a different girl.
I didn't have chemistry with the first girl so I came back and asked out the
attractive girl. The next day we were looking at my photo books and having
cheese, crackers and chocolate in my flat.

I've had several pleasant get together's in my flat(s). People came by bringing
a cake or a dish, we spread everything out and had a fantastic time. This same
level of comfort is far more difficult to achieve in a hotel. First everyone knows
the cost and a good girl (and her friends) are far less likely to accept an offer
where you are footing the bill at a hotel. A good girl and her friends are far
more likely to accept an offer to have a get together in your flat and they get
to pitch in, which is part of the deal when you socialize with Russians.

I also advise going "native" as much as possible and having a flat to
socialize in is what the locals would do and it would make them feel the
most comfortable.

Is room service not 24hr in Russia, I've stayed at various hotels around the world and room service has always been 24hr.

It depends, but a nice hotel especially in Moscow probably does. My advice while written
to you and your situation was also generic so that other newbies could read this thread
and learn from it.

If you go to a hotel in less cosmopolitan cities then you probably won't have 24 hour
room service, and being a European you won't need it as much as a Kiwi or Canadian
since you arrived in hours rather than days and your time zones are similar.

A guy from Sydney visiting Zaporozhye would be a better recipient of my generic
advice than a guy from London headed to Moscow, but I still believe my advice
is the best for you.

As it's my first trip, I'm sticking with a hotel, next trip I may Airbnb it but for my first trip, I'd feel better in a hotel.

You will get all kinds of advice to your questions or problems, your job is to sift
through the advice and choose what works best for you, your situation and your
goals. Hotel beds are often better than flats.

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Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2017, 05:37:56 PM »
BTW, the marking phenomenon has a sophisticated corollary.

Excellent point to consider, this HAS happened to me. I had a good enough
back story, (that I came to the city to meet somebody else and it didn't work out)
but they were absolutely sure that I had sex with that somebody else

FSUW are not for entry level daters. FSUW don't do vague FSUW like a man of action so be a man of action  If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane. There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.
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Re: Otel ili kvartira?
« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2017, 05:46:52 PM »
Paying for 2 guests v. 1 guest has no difference in price, not as far as I'm aware anyway.

Yes, it's a few kopecks more for double occupancy, cheap as chips maybe?
(did I use your saying correctly?) and I would pay it and avoid
any potential problems.


I presume there is a story behind the "An apartment or hotel won't fix anything for the punters who get locked up/in for New Years eve" quote? Did someone get locked in an apartment on NYE :ROFL:

Yes, and it got way worse than that.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.0.html
I checked prices at several hotels in Moscow, the difference is none and price is the same whether it's one person to two, there is obviously a difference between prepaid and pay on arrival but that's it.

Jesus that was a train wreck and a half, the sad thing is that the woman looks incredibly similar to a family member of an ex (from near L'viv and now a British citizen but had family near Donestk), it's been a while so I can't recall 100% but the resemblance is uncanny, like seriously uncanny.

As for the rest, I understand what you're saying however on a personal level regarding my own comfort, a hotel would be best. If I'm not comfortable, I doubt I'd have fun and would probably waste any opportunities that come my way.

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« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2017, 05:59:09 PM »
Jesus that was a train wreck and a half, the sad thing is that the woman looks incredibly similar to a family member of an ex (from near L'viv and now a British citizen but had family near Donestk), it's been a while so I can't recall 100% but the resemblance is uncanny, like seriously uncanny.

Hmmmmmm, she lived in Lugansk at the time, but moved West during the conflict,
was it L'viv? the guys who would remember aren't active here anymore. A number
of us tried to do an intervention but the guy wouldn't listen to logic or reason.

I going to run around saying cheap as chips every post on the forum until I learn
what it means. 

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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2017, 06:13:52 PM »

I grew up watching the original series (and that horrid one episode sequel).  Robin Ellis is the da man!   :king:

IF you can catch the new series 'da man' makes several cameo appearances - as a Grumpy Magistrate - with whom the 'new' Poldark bangs heads ....

Not many teenage boys weren't in love with the first Demelza [ Angharad Rees - RIP] ...

In this series, Poldark's first love - Elizabeth-  is played by a brunette - not  a blond - by an attractive Icelandic actress who looks 'annoyingly' like the former love of my life ! ;)



I missed the news of her passing.  I did not have much free time to watch the media news for many years.  I came across her online jewelry store.  She still looked adorable then.   :loving:
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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2017, 06:15:03 PM »
That's from 1993.  Rather long time to have last seen a UK program.  :)

I am watching Midsomer Murders  :saint:

That show is on the PBS stations here now.
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Re: Otel ili kvartira?
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2017, 07:06:44 PM »
Hmmmmmm, she lived in Lugansk at the time, but moved West during the conflict,
was it L'viv? the guys who would remember aren't active here anymore. A number
of us tried to do an intervention but the guy wouldn't listen to logic or reason.

I going to run around saying cheap as chips every post on the forum until I learn
what it means.
I'd be in absolute hysterics if it turned out to be her, it'd be the funniest thing in a long time!

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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2017, 02:00:40 AM »


You should avoid 2 star hotels, Moby.
Indeed ? I guess you 'forgot' to read the star ratings of the establishments in the my trip report of the New Year. celebrations in Russia !))

 VVP has been a frequent visitor to this "2-star" establishment .. https://www.pogostite.ru/en/katalog-gostinits/dagomys-poselok-sochi/merkurij-dagomys-sochi

I've been all over Russia and the Baltics with my wife - before she was my wife - and I never encountered this.

Exactly - before she was your wife - a  decade ? - and you're not exactly a frequent visitor, now..

I have also invited women in the past to hotels in those parts and despite the rumours at the time, never really encountered any issues. People who stay in hotels have visitors y'know.  :chuckle:

Once more - you are speaking of the past ... like our andrewfi - you've not been entertaining ladies in Russia - that is clear ... as if you had - you'd realise that security is a BIG thing...

All this "ooh the women might be hookers" malarkey is years old. Perhaps it still exists in the sex tourist bits of what remains of Ukraine, but people staying in normal hotels who have women visiting them who dont look like hookers or strippers are unlikely to encounter problems nowadays. And if they did, a few Roubles would fix it in a heartbeat.

The 'malarkey' is as true now as it was then.. and a "few roubles", is properly registering your guest at reception... 

I'll give you an example:  I met a beautiful women who suggested I stay at a 5-star Turkish operated place ... I booked a hotel room and after a pleasant evening - she drove and collected me - and had arranged for her daughter to be baby sat - we started kissing and temperatures rose...   She declined the invite to continue in my hotel room - based on her NOT wishing to endure security. She was a local biz woman - and regularly attended the hotel for conferences.  I took the knock-back, with the "you should have booked a villa apartment" as an 'excuse'...  What a frustrating night THAT was..

Said lady came to Cyprus - me thinking that I my little head was ruling my big head and in the privacy of my apartment - she was somewhat less inhibited..  The moral of the story is that a good apartment IS the way to go ...

I fail to see why a bloke would want to be cooking for himself and cleaning up in some budget apartment (unless he is poor) when hotels exist to rest and feed the traveller, and provide associated services like booking restaurants, getting taxis, etc. in English. People cook your breakfast and someone comes in and cleans up each day. What's not to like?

You are simply missing the point ...   IF I rent an apartment - I still can go out to restaurants - get up when I like - take breakfast when I like and not have a maid - knocking on the door and - if not getting an answer - coming in - only to blush and withdraw ...

If anything, the nosey babushkas lurking at the entrance to most apartments are likely to hassle you more than any hotel staff would. 

You just haven't tried the wonderful serviced apartments on offer in CIS nations - THAT is clear ...

BB is a nice hotel kinda guy, and he is seldom short of female company when in those parts. I'd be interested to read his opinion.

Is B.B looking for a Long term relationship when entertaining one lass or more ..... ?   :chuckle:

Look, you and andrew are NOT recent 'experts' in this field - that much is clear ....

If I was new to this game - I'd recommend a hotel with a separate apart/hotel complex ... failing that a hotel - for the 'support' required .... a more seasoned visitor - well at least to Russia - will 'get' that *good* hotel security is MORE rigorous and intrusive...

I'm a WOVO guy - so have never needed to worry about taking more than one lady back to the same place - perhaps that colours my opinion ....

I'm sure you will save your collective blushes by ensuring this never sees the light of day  :ROFL:



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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2017, 11:17:43 AM »
"Volshe, I think that you are referring to times long before anyone here first visited Russia. ;)" Andrew

Well actually I have been travelling since those times too. 1999 first visit I was registered in Moscow, booked into a certain establishment, decided to go off and visit St P. Got myself detained and "fined" by not being where I was authorised to be, and escorted to the airport to fly back. Same in Ekaterinburg in 2002, got advised by the local friendly FSB officer to get the hell out of town.
I still get a hard time from the Russian Embassy in Australia, who get the shits because I always have a current multi entry Ukrainian visa in my passport. They still demand a Hotel booking for every night of my stay, but I always make my own way.....and have not been harrassed or fined for many years now.

Currently the 4 and 5 stars I stay in always want to register my guests, in both Russia and Ukraine. I prefer the security.  I have an apartment in Odessa at Arkadia that also has high security. In Odessa I can recommend Hotel Corona at Arkadia, as a wallet and lady friendly hotel at the beach. In Kiev, KievInn on Mikalivskaya right near the Maidan is also reasonably priced and more like a security apartment. Kharkov I always stay at the 5 star Palace Hotel, any female guest will definately have to show ID. Moscow I rent AirBB downtown, and likewise Ekaterinburg.
I also like the option of cooking if I want.....I usually don't, and I agree an invitation to an apartment is less likely to be refused than an invitation to a "Room"

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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #86 on: August 10, 2017, 12:41:24 PM »
Redroo, she was referring to earlier times. 1999 was a whole other era to what went on back in the 80s
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« Reply #87 on: August 10, 2017, 08:37:12 PM »
I don't think her reaction is that abnormal

Please explain to RUA what is normal in the dance of love
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« Reply #88 on: August 10, 2017, 10:14:03 PM »

Please explain to RUA what is normal in the dance of love

Ah, the 'danger' of lifting one line of text and having it thrown back at you... I know it, so well ... the context AvHdB was the 'keyboard romeo' standard excuse for pulling out - that our OP unwittingly fell foul of...



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« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2017, 01:11:55 PM »
Small update, Moscow is great, great bars, lovely hotel, it was good so 8.5/10 will go again however my Russian is dreadful, like fully dreadful, worse than I thought dreadful so I need to work on that! Also everything is cheap, properties are cheap, food is cheap, drinks are cheap however I disagree with what they try to charge for French plonk, no supermarket wine is worth £50.

Next time I go I'm going to spend more time actually seeing real Moscow rather than the standard sights, I feel like there's so much more to discover just like how in London there's always something new. Will most certainly go again.

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« Reply #90 on: September 27, 2017, 02:12:58 PM »
Small update, Moscow is great, great bars, lovely hotel, it was good so 8.5/10 will go again however my Russian is dreadful, like fully dreadful, worse than I thought dreadful so I need to work on that! Also everything is cheap, properties are cheap, food is cheap, drinks are cheap however I disagree with what they try to charge for French plonk, no supermarket wine is worth £50.

Next time I go I'm going to spend more time actually seeing real Moscow rather than the standard sights, I feel like there's so much more to discover just like how in London there's always something new. Will most certainly go again.

Great to hear! By any chance did you meet with any women or was this just an initial
sightseeing visit?

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Re: Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #91 on: September 27, 2017, 02:20:42 PM »
Small update, Moscow is great, great bars, lovely hotel, it was good so 8.5/10 will go again however my Russian is dreadful, like fully dreadful, worse than I thought dreadful so I need to work on that! Also everything is cheap, properties are cheap, food is cheap, drinks are cheap however I disagree with what they try to charge for French plonk, no supermarket wine is worth £50.

Next time I go I'm going to spend more time actually seeing real Moscow rather than the standard sights, I feel like there's so much more to discover just like how in London there's always something new. Will most certainly go again.

Because of sanctions, tariffs and embargoes the price of French Wine is what it is, of course the vodka is cheap. Be brave and try some wine from Armenia and Moldavia it can be quite high in quality and a reasonable price.

Let us know how the trip(s) go; one thing I did when I dated a Russian Girl is a trip on the Moskva river. I done these trips in almost every European city, except London, they can be fascinating. Though the Paris one I took is seriously overrated I think Prague though rather short was the most fascinating.
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« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2017, 02:25:47 PM »
Small update, Moscow is great, great bars, lovely hotel, it was good so 8.5/10 will go again however my Russian is dreadful, like fully dreadful, worse than I thought dreadful so I need to work on that! Also everything is cheap, properties are cheap, food is cheap, drinks are cheap however I disagree with what they try to charge for French plonk, no supermarket wine is worth £50.

Next time I go I'm going to spend more time actually seeing real Moscow rather than the standard sights, I feel like there's so much more to discover just like how in London there's always something new. Will most certainly go again.

Stay away from imported booze and and do try the wines AvHdB suggests ... Some wines from Kuban great, too   Did you try any craft beers ?

Just cannot get into Moscow - give me Piter every time...  ;)
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« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2017, 04:24:41 PM »
Great to hear! By any chance did you meet with any women or was this just an initial
sightseeing visit?
I met with the one who I annoyed, she's crazy, full blown crazy, half way through the meal I excused myself to the bathroom however I paid the bill and ran, never have I met someone so crazy.

Aside from that episode I played the role of tourist very well and I enjoyed it, sure it's a cliche to go to the kremlin, red square, the galleries and museums but I enjoyed myself which is all that matters, my next trip will be more balanced between dating and sight seeing.
Because of sanctions, tariffs and embargoes the price of French Wine is what it is, of course the vodka is cheap. Be brave and try some wine from Armenia and Moldavia it can be quite high in quality and a reasonable price.

Let us know how the trip(s) go; one thing I did when I dated a Russian Girl is a trip on the Moskva river. I done these trips in almost every European city, except London, they can be fascinating. Though the Paris one I took is seriously overrated I think Prague though rather short was the most fascinating.
I actually found it rather humorous however it really was supermarket wine so I avoided it, next time I'm out I'll try Armenian and Moldavian wine as well, I'm very used to French wine and will spend the money for good vintages but I've become more open in taste recently so why not?

I wouln't advise you do the river tours in London, it's going up and down the Thames at a slower pace than you could walk, unless you get drinks and a meal, avoid. I will consider it for Moscow however as I presume it isn't the half-arsed attempt London does, I say this as I noticed Russians really do go fully into something, it doesn't seem like they do things in half measures which is good.

Like I said, good trip and will do again.

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« Reply #94 on: September 28, 2017, 01:49:00 AM »


I wouln't advise you do the river tours in London, it's going up and down the Thames at a slower pace than you could walk, unless you get drinks and a meal, avoid.

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It's the milk run I take visitors on and thy love the trip down to Greenwich - visit the Meridian and back - love it and I never get tired of it.

My eldest even uses such a service as it is quicker to get to central London than car / Bus at rush-hour - or not much slower and more interesting ))
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  • Spouses Country: Russia
  • Status: Married
  • Trips: 10-20
Chatting to a girl pre-trip which I had to cancel, mistake?
« Reply #95 on: September 29, 2017, 01:00:44 PM »

I met with the one who I annoyed, she's crazy, full blown crazy, half way through the meal I excused myself to the bathroom however I paid the bill and ran, never have I met someone so crazy.


Like I said, good trip and will do again.

I used to date cRaZy girls but just like hitting myself in the head with a hammer,
it feels so good when you stop.

Next time give an apartment a try.
FSUW are not for entry level daters. FSUW don't do vague FSUW like a man of action so be a man of action  If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane. There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.
Get an apartment not a hotel. DON'T recycle girls