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Offline justadude

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Owning a car in Ukraine.
« on: July 11, 2017, 09:09:02 AM »
I am in Ukraine now, and am interested in purchasing a car at some point in the next one to two years. I do not want advice on whether or not car ownership is a good idea. I am pretty sure it is a bad idea, but if I move to Ukraine permanently or semi-permanently, I will have a car. The reason is that I am a car enthusiast and I can't imagine life without my hobby. Along those lines, I am not a typical car owner. I repair my cars myself back home in the USA, and I would intend to do so here as well. I realize this presents challenges, as having a place to work on a car seems uncommon here. I would prefer to buy a car from a private party. I am certain of my ability to determine if a car is a good deal if I can see it in person, which of course I would do before buying. But I would like to know about the paperwork involved, registration and insurance, and how to communicate with a seller since I don't speak Russian. I did look at some used cars in April, at a sales lot where private sellers had cars on display, and saw some that I would consider in the $3-5000 range.

Here are a few of my questions:

1. Is there a website similar to Craigslist in Kiev where I can make contact with private sellers?

2. What is the registration process like? How much is annual registration, taxes and other fees?

3. Are there wrecking yards in Kiev where you can buy used parts?

4. Are there any apartment buildings that have garage spaces one can rent for an additional fee?

5. How do I find insurance and how much does it cost?

6. If I am involved in an accident, is it necessary to establish whose fault it was or is there a no fault system in place? I am concerned that I would be at a great disadvantage by not knowing the system or the language.

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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 09:58:45 AM »
I do not have any experience here except that I know you need to have a dashcam installed in Ukraine in the event of an accident. Especially if you are a foreigner or have less money than the other guy driving a Mercedes.

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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 05:26:52 PM »
Justadude,

Until you have number 6 defined very well, DO NOT drive a car in Ukraine. In Ukraine, you do establish fault. And if the other driver establishes you as at fault, and the police agree. You are mostly stuck.

The reason almost everyone has a dash cam is no one trusts the other driver. And they do not trust police, mafia, judges, politicians, etc.

Insurance is not difficult, but I won't drive in Ukraine - maybe a moped someday. Public transportation is too easy. And the roads tear a good car apart.

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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 10:04:29 PM »
Justadude,

Until you have number 6 defined very well, DO NOT drive a car in Ukraine. In Ukraine, you do establish fault. And if the other driver establishes you as at fault, and the police agree. You are mostly stuck.

The reason almost everyone has a dash cam is no one trusts the other driver. And they do not trust police, mafia, judges, politicians, etc.

Insurance is not difficult, but I won't drive in Ukraine - maybe a moped someday. Public transportation is too easy. And the roads tear a good car apart.

Wayne

In most of the 3rd world countries that I have worked/visited their philosophy is very simple.  It is your fault.    Had you not been in the country the accident would not have happened.  SOP was to insure that one could leave the country in a hurry and leave as soon as you can.
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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »
I am driving in the FSU in the Republic of Georgia. What my insurance agent told me was in event of an accident I was to.

1) Call them and tell them where I am. I am insured in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey.
2) Call the police (they gave me the number to call)
3) Do NOT move the vehicle until the insurance adjuster gets there or the police and the police make the report and/or tell you to move the car off the road.

And within a week (two weeks ago) I had an accident with a aggressively driven taxi cab. NOT wanting me to call the police the cabbie offered to pay for the damages himself. So we drove to a nearby body shop. The estimate for repair was $50 which the cabbie was delighted to pay. The bumper was removed and I was told to come back on Monday two days ago. It was installed in about 30 minutes. Looks great. I didn't pay a dime. I found out later most people either work it out together or pay their own damages. The real reason they don't want the insurance company or police involved isn't so much because it leads to higher insurance rates, it is because the police are quick to give out fines usually around $360-$400. That is a lot of money here. Not speaking Georgian, well frankly, it is a bit intimidating to drive.

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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 11:43:56 PM »
I drive in Russia and have comprehensive insurance ( must have it if the car is on finance )

I drive CAREFULLY, leaving big gaps - braking to turn without indicating is more often the rule and allow for buses that are stopped to pull out at any moment

Following SC experiencing a couple of encounters with policemen seeking to supplement their income - I'd concur with buying a decent crashcam - as locals inform me that that is one of the first things Police look for.
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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2017, 01:20:48 AM »

I drive CAREFULLY, leaving big gaps - braking to turn without indicating is more often the rule and allow for buses that are stopped to pull out at any moment


I do the same. And I also try not to use the lane that goes by the parked cars. Too many people double park and assume double parking is an OK thing to do. To just pull over and suddenly stop on a busy road. Of course I should expect this as people here drive on the sidewalks, park over the curbs and do just about anything they want. After 45 years of driving in a civilized country like America these unknowns can be disconcerting. Another thing that bothers me is the water drainage ditches that if I drove my right front tire into one my entire car would fall into it with a sudden grinding stop as the bottom of my car hit the pavement. Then there is these mountain roads that don't always have barriers. Some of these drops are hundreds of feet. And the crazy drivers that will pass on a two lane road doing 100 KPH and making the oncoming driver also doing 100 KPH needing to drive in the ditch. Dang I'm scaring myself!   :hidechair:

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Re: Owning a car in Ukraine.
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2017, 01:23:18 AM »
I’d never drive in any European major city now unless I had too, public transport is too good - cheap and frequent (note: except  UK), there’s just no need. Here in Dublin I pay €100 a month for all bus, train and tram in the City, which extends quite far actually, to Malahide for example.

Miss a car for travelling about at weekends though, been having a sneaky peek...
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