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... but were afraid to ask  :innocent:

I was replying in another thread here when it dawned on me that in none of the languages that come from Serbo-Croatian(more precisely: were built into the SH at the time and afterwards continued their own ways)
there aren't equivalents for words "celebrity" and "fan".
We don't have movie industry like in the States (obviously), our actors are mostly engaged in the theater and have different social standing. Actresses are not necessarily physically beautiful.
We do use our equivalent of "star" (zvezda) - in any field, but either it's colloquial, when used in context of our realities, or you'll see it in a translation from English, ie. "a star of silent film."

When at the time i said to an American friend that back home i don't watch tv, she said, aw, you must be bored...

Last 10 or 15y, our tv too is among else for entertainment. Its basic use though had been - indoctrination. As you know, we used to have 2-3 channels only, and we knew in advance whom we would watch and why.

An artist, a performer - that's how we traditionally label singers. Until mid 80ies, they didn't dance on stage (many still don't) and they were dressed very conservatively.

Dancing generally, except for national, traditional dancing, is not valued as much as it as in the West.

"Twerking" for example - non existent.

This is a westernized view on the "twerking scandal" in Russia: https://www.vice.com/ru/article/wn5b7y/how-twerking-became-an-unlikely-scandal-in-russia-829

In English, politicized point of view : http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/04/26/2-young-women-1-teenage-girls-jailed-in-russia-south-for-twerking-next-to-wwii.html
Three young women in Russia were sentenced to jail Saturday for making a video showing them twerking next to a memorial.

In yet another thread, it was discussed which hand to offer for shaking in various cultures, and so on.

What are your thoughts? What was a tradition or a habit that impressed you in other cultures, for better or for worse? Please share  :)
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 06:59:33 PM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.

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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 10:06:52 PM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.

On the fashion front 'farmer johns' are gaining popularity with women.  :(  But clothing is for women in general more casual and conservative. Tattoos are certainly more common as for profanity it is generally not used as far as I understand.

But the population at large remains proud and stoic. 
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 11:44:24 PM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.

On the fashion front 'farmer johns' are gaining popularity with women.  :(  But clothing is for women in general more casual and conservative. Tattoos are certainly more common as for profanity it is generally not used as far as I understand.

But the population at large remains proud and stoic.

True, but I have seen a LOT of change. I may be incorrect on the years.

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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2017, 01:00:59 AM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.
Tattoos: you see some people with tattoos , nothing new there. Don't think it's indicative of a cultural shift.
Profanity: people swear everywhere, again nothing new. In my direct experience I haven't heard anyone swearing amongst people I meet.
Lewdness: that's a strange thing to say: what exactly do you mean? Are people having it off in front of you? Again, I can't say that I've noticed anything along those lines.
In a homogenous society like the FSU, cultural attitudes would be hard to shift, IMO. Some things are being forced on them ( in UKR) by EU demands and laws being passed, unfortunately, but it may take a generation or more to change attitudes.
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2017, 01:07:30 AM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.

el_guero,

i am sorry to hear that about Ukraine  :duh:

"Tattoos, profanity, lewdness (had to google it  ;D)."

As per Russia, the one i know is quite conservative. There is strengthening of "духовные скрепы" http://www.wikireality.ru/wiki/ Духовные_скрепы as an official ideology. I believe there's despair too - far from Moscow or Pete, out of big cities, especially in villages. I don't think it has been much different there ever. (I might be wrong, it's the conclusions i made my for myself.)





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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 01:20:42 AM »
Volshe,

I have watched the quick change in Ukraine. And if my gut is correct, it is happening in Russia, you just aren't seeing it.

Tattoos, profanity, lewdness, etc.

I think in 10 to 20 years, the cultural wars will be lost in the Slavic countries.

On the fashion front 'farmer johns' are gaining popularity with women.

Yes  ;D When i was at the 1st year of Phd course (2010), i saw the newbies arriving from province,  with done hair, make up, wearing dresses, high heels and so on. Fast forward 4y, not a single one of them kept that dressing style - jeans, flat shoes, all there  ;D
(But, like in Monte - jeans and flat shoes are for the day, in the evening everyone i know gets dressed up. I like that though; that thing - women dressed like for the NY eve in the early morning - in Slavic capitals that trend stopped somewhere in late 80ies/ early 90ies.

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common as for profanity it is generally not used as far as I understand.

People are generally reserved if someone uses блатной жаргон (criminal slang). That basically means they were на зоне (in prison), or hang around such people. Normally, you don't want to mix with such people.

I bet it was like that always, it's that Soviet Union was pretty closed and such information was not available. Besides, i think it's like that everywhere. It's that in our countries the classes are less divided, so hypothetically you can bump into someone into whom you wouldn't back home. Other than that, i think everyone sane tries to keep away from people they know are trouble.
But the population at large remains proud and stoic.
I stayed with the same impression in the Slavic countries. Even during 90ies, during wars in my former country - the core wasn't rotten.
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2017, 01:38:28 AM »

Tattoos: you see some people with tattoos , nothing new there. Don't think it's indicative of a cultural shift.

I don't think either that's an epidemic like it is in the US, but i haven't been in Ukraine since i was a kid, so i am relying on what you are saying. For work, here, i am meeting intellectuals from Ukraine or influential/wealthy people, it's not that you expect an Ambassador to be covered in tattoos and swearing... He/she can't, i mean, they'd lose their jobs.  :biggrin:

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Profanity: people swear everywhere, again nothing new. In my direct experience I haven't heard anyone swearing amongst people I meet.

I do sometimes  ;D Usually when i am on my own and i can't reach something or can't turn hot water (and i have soap in my eyes)  ;D It works like an incantation, do try it, given the possibility and given that no one listens  :innocent:)

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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2017, 02:57:42 AM »
There was I think a British/Russian film that explored the Russian prison culture regarding tattoo's and the gangs that use them.

In the United States prison tattoos are used to identify inmates for others. It is an amazing sub-culture I gather.
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2017, 03:23:28 AM »
There was I think a British/Russian film that explored the Russian prison culture regarding tattoo's and the gangs that use them.

In the United States prison tattoos are used to identify inmates for others. It is an amazing sub-culture I gather.

I think i saw that one at the time... It is impressive, but it's too creepy of a subject for me for me to dwell on it.  :duh:
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In FSUW i haven't seen anyone with tattoos in my surroundings.  In Monte, son of my close friend has tatooes, there's a whole story to it and it costed a fortune (done by an artist). On him i kinda like it (better to say, can stand it), albeit we all tried to persuade him not to get it. It's like one of those tattoos from "LA Ink" (the reality show), you can't confuse it for a prison tat as the latter are very specific too. But generally, i don't like tattoos of any kind, not on me, not on anyone else.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2017, 03:49:28 AM »
There was I think a British/Russian film that explored the Russian prison culture regarding tattoo's and the gangs that use them.

In the United States prison tattoos are used to identify inmates for others. It is an amazing sub-culture I gather.

I think i saw that one at the time... It is impressive, but it's too creepy of a subject for me for me to dwell on it.  :duh:
 :duh:

In FSUW i haven't seen anyone with tattoos in my surroundings.  In Monte, son of my close friend has tatooes, there's a whole story to it and it costed a fortune (done by an artist). On him i kinda like it (better to say, can stand it), albeit we all tried to persuade him not to get it. It's like one of those tattoos from "LA Ink" (the reality show), you can't confuse it for a prison tat as the latter are very specific too. But generally, i don't like tattoos of any kind, not on me, not on anyone else.

Tattoo's have been around for a long time and represent different things in cultures.

I met a guy a while back who was often referred to by hospitals who could tattoo a 'nipple' on a woman who had breast surgery for cancer.
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2017, 03:59:57 AM »

Tattoo's have been around for a long time and represent different things in cultures.

True. They are forbidden in Judaism  :duh:
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2017, 04:13:33 AM »
There was I think a British/Russian film that explored the Russian prison culture regarding tattoo's and the gangs that use them.

In the United States prison tattoos are used to identify inmates for others. It is an amazing sub-culture I gather.

I think i saw that one at the time... It is impressive, but it's too creepy of a subject for me for me to dwell on it.  :duh:
 :duh:

In FSUW i haven't seen anyone with tattoos in my surroundings.  In Monte, son of my close friend has tatooes, there's a whole story to it and it costed a fortune (done by an artist). On him i kinda like it (better to say, can stand it), albeit we all tried to persuade him not to get it. It's like one of those tattoos from "LA Ink" (the reality show), you can't confuse it for a prison tat as the latter are very specific too. But generally, i don't like tattoos of any kind, not on me, not on anyone else.

Tattoo's have been around for a long time and represent different things in cultures.

I met a guy a while back who was often referred to by hospitals who could tattoo a 'nipple' on a woman who had breast surgery for cancer.
I think used in this sense for a semi medical reason I can agree that serves a purpose. Mindless disfigurement is something else altogether. Especially on women.  :sick0012:
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2017, 04:15:38 AM »

Tattoos: you see some people with tattoos , nothing new there. Don't think it's indicative of a cultural shift.

I don't think either that's an epidemic like it is in the US, but i haven't been in Ukraine since i was a kid, so i am relying on what you are saying. For work, here, i am meeting intellectuals from Ukraine or influential/wealthy people, it's not that you expect an Ambassador to be covered in tattoos and swearing... He/she can't, i mean, they'd lose their jobs.  :biggrin:

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Profanity: people swear everywhere, again nothing new. In my direct experience I haven't heard anyone swearing amongst people I meet.

I do sometimes  ;D Usually when i am on my own and i can't reach something or can't turn hot water (and i have soap in my eyes)  ;D It works like an incantation, do try it, given the possibility and given that no one listens  :innocent:)
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Re: Everything you always wanted to know about our differences...
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2017, 04:39:00 AM »
Things I'm noticing in Russia:

1/   the UK flag figures on plenty of clothing and is considered 'cool' !

2/ Loads of lasses walking around in shift dresses / t-shirt with English slogans that I'm sure they cannot understand what is being said ;)