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Adoption
« on: May 04, 2017, 12:14:40 PM »
Im just wondering here on a subject as I was speaking to a friend on the subject. If you was a Russian women married in the uk with a child waiting for your British passport or what ever people usually wait for and the child was planning to go to University in 2 years.  Thats before the child gets citizenship.
I guess they would have to pay some extra fees at uni as they wouldn't be classed as a UK citizen .
So a way out of this would be for the British husband to adopt the child? The child would then be immediately classed as a British citizen ? 

Im just wondering on that scenario .. if it is the case wouldn't it be easy for any man of the street to import his wife kind of officially , then just adopt her kids?
I say it is not possible and if it was everyone who wanted to bring a women who has kids into the UK just needs to bring her in then adopt the kids?


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Re: Adoption
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 05:49:58 PM »
I may be wrong on this, but I thought adoption involved children where you have no direct connection to (outside of blood or marriage)?  If you married a foreign lady, does that not automatically nullify your ability to adopt her children?  They are then considered direct dependents of her and would be treated as stepchildren to you.  Adoption involves having to prove ability to properly care for the children, but having a mother already, what is there to prove as to being able to raise them?  They would not be considered to be orphans.

Now if the situation is slightly changed and your foreign spouse has an underage sibling, you could then file for adoption of that sibling since the sibling is not dependent to the spouse.

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2017, 10:22:49 PM »
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If you are married to the child's Mum / Dad - they are classed as HOME students' - IF they have legally  lived in another EU nation for three years - before applying.

This was why we went the EU / EEA route to a UK visa as my step-son HAD to be recognised as having all the rights of an EU citizen - even on an RU passport - when he had UK residency based on the EU freedom of movement Directive. 

IF his Mum and I had divorced before his permanent residency had been issued. He would have had to pay Foreign Student tuition fees.

He is now a UK Citizen





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Re: Adoption
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2017, 10:53:31 PM »
UPDATE:

I responded based on our experience and a Student Union website, but I then found this site :

https://www.ukcisa.org.uk/Information--Advice/Fees-and-Money/England-fee-status#layer-6082

I confirms three years status as resident in the UK ... but then states, "Note: It is not necessary to have had settled immigration status in the UK for the full three years. You only need to show that you have it on, at the latest, the first day of the first academic year of the course."

https://www.ukcisa.org.uk/Information--Advice/Fees-and-Money/England-fee-status#layer-6082

Bear in mind the Uni will have to recognise the qualifications obtained - the Russian ones' didn't count.

My Step-son did a Further Education 'B-Tech' - the equiv of A-Levels in his chosen IT field  - the funding  criteria to do Further education courses are less and he remained my dependant until he had finished full-time education.

Note that a student with UK immigration permission containing a condition stating "No recourse to public funds" would not be in breach of that condition by applying for, and receiving, Student Support.

I would suggest asking the admission's dept of a Uni your friend's step-child might be considering

 

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2017, 12:16:46 AM »
I don't know about UK/Russian law, but in NL adoption also means the original parents (mother, father) have to give up their rights with respect to the child. The child is then no longer theirs.

Dunno any russian woman who would go along with such a thing!
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Re: Adoption
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2017, 01:57:41 AM »
The child has been at school in the UK for a few years and will go to Uni in 2 years time, but will not have a UK passport by then, so the mother is asking her husband to adopt him..like a fast way to get the passport. So they save on uni fees.

Im just saying I dint realise it was so easy to "Just adopt" a child and give it a UK passport like overnight?

The couple in question have to wait 7 years for a UK passport as they did the awkward way, she came over on a tourist visa with the child, married and stayed! They had a few problems with the home office but its all solved now:)

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2017, 11:41:53 AM »
The child has been at school in the UK for a few years and will go to Uni in 2 years time, but will not have a UK passport by then, so the mother is asking her husband to adopt him..like a fast way to get the passport. So they save on uni fees.

Im just saying I dint realise it was so easy to "Just adopt" a child and give it a UK passport like overnight?

The couple in question have to wait 7 years for a UK passport as they did the awkward way, she came over on a tourist visa with the child, married and stayed! They had a few problems with the home office but its all solved now:)

The biological father would have to agree to this and renounce all rights to clear the way, I would think.

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2017, 12:46:51 PM »
The child has been at school in the UK for a few years and will go to Uni in 2 years time, but will not have a UK passport by then, so the mother is asking her husband to adopt him..like a fast way to get the passport. So they save on uni fees.

Im just saying I dint realise it was so easy to "Just adopt" a child and give it a UK passport like overnight?

The couple in question have to wait 7 years for a UK passport as they did the awkward way, she came over on a tourist visa with the child, married and stayed! They had a few problems with the home office but its all solved now:)

It is clear the kids has been in the UK more than three years - no need for adoption to get home fees at Uni

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2017, 04:58:38 PM »
The child has been at school in the UK for a few years and will go to Uni in 2 years time, but will not have a UK passport by then, so the mother is asking her husband to adopt him..like a fast way to get the passport. So they save on uni fees.

They had a few problems with the home office but its all solved now:)

The thread is interesting to me. My daughter now 17 attends school in the UK and will go onto University there. She has been in school for the last 4 years in Leeds. It seems the laws or rules that Moby has mentioned up thread are applied unevenly. It took quite of bit of doing to get the desired effect, i.e. lower University fees. The mother has both an UK and Dutch passport, and works in the UK. My daughter is attempting to get an UK passport but again the powers to be are raising hurdles for her.

Not only beautiful my daughter is also determined and the process moves along. One official at the home office noted that IF Brexit happens her UK passport might be taken away.
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Re: Adoption
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 10:55:18 PM »
Geez, AvHdB

What a joke.... Your daughter clearly passes the requirements to qualify as a 'home' student

As to the Home Office official ... it only goes to prove to me that they employ/ed some right numpties

In my step-sons case, we had quite a battle and met so much ignorance of the law.

Unless your daughter is a threat to the state or acquired her citizenship illegally ( both of which I do not think for a second apply )  - NO-ONE is going to be taking her citizenship away. 









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Re: Adoption
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2017, 02:41:59 AM »
The child has been at school in the UK for a few years and will go to Uni in 2 years time, but will not have a UK passport by then, so the mother is asking her husband to adopt him..like a fast way to get the passport. So they save on uni fees.

They had a few problems with the home office but its all solved now:)

The thread is interesting to me. My daughter now 17 attends school in the UK and will go onto University there. She has been in school for the last 4 years in Leeds. It seems the laws or rules that Moby has mentioned up thread are applied unevenly. It took quite of bit of doing to get the desired effect, i.e. lower University fees. The mother has both an UK and Dutch passport, and works in the UK. My daughter is attempting to get an UK passport but again the powers to be are raising hurdles for her.

Not only beautiful my daughter is also determined and the process moves along. One official at the home office noted that IF Brexit happens her UK passport might be taken away.
Netherlands has one more rule that makes this scenario much more unlikely.

Adoptive parents must be below 42 years old and the difference between the child/parent can be no more than 40 years.
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