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Montenegro to NATO?
« on: March 15, 2017, 04:12:03 PM »
John McCain has lost his mind (again)
I will ask our departed Monte member to comment on this since she probably
knows more about the local situation.


John McCain: Rand Paul ‘Is Now Working for Vladimir Putin
After the Kentucky senator objected to a bill advancing Montenegro’s push for NATO membership, McCain lost his cool and accused his colleague of being a Putin operative.
Andrew Kirell

read all about it here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html


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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 04:24:10 PM »
John McCain has lost his mind (again)
I will ask our departed Monte member to comment on this since she probably
knows more about the local situation.


John McCain: Rand Paul ‘Is Now Working for Vladimir Putin
After the Kentucky senator objected to a bill advancing Montenegro’s push for NATO membership, McCain lost his cool and accused his colleague of being a Putin operative.
Andrew Kirell

read all about it here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html

In McCain's geriatric Alzheimer's infected mind anyone not pushing for a conflict with Russia must be a "Putin operative".

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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 04:26:32 PM »
Stoltenberg: Attempted coup in Montenegro – argument for NATO membership

Stoltenberg pointened out that NATO has helped to keep the peace in the Western Balkans for over 20 years.

“We will continue to be a guarantor of peace and stability in the region. Because it is important for our own security,” he said.

Secretary Genearl added that they will continue to support efforts for the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkans because that is key to stability and prosperity, in the region and beyond.

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https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2017/03/14/__trashed-4/


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Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 04:27:53 PM »
In McCain's geriatric Alzheimer's infected mind anyone not pushing for a conflict with Russia must be a "Putin operative".

He's been out of touch for a while, but he is sliding even faster lately

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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 06:07:42 PM »
In McCain's geriatric Alzheimer's infected mind anyone not pushing for a conflict with Russia must be a "Putin operative".

He's been out of touch for a while, but he is sliding even faster lately

His sponsor Soros has been meddling all over Europe. Here's more of his meddling in the region; this time in Macedonia.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/15/lost-in-translation-macedonias-ethnic-tensions-near-boiling-point-and-soros-is-stirring-pot.html

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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 12:44:25 AM »
I will ask our departed Monte member to comment on this since she probably

Hi there! Departed?! Moi???  ??? I was merely taking a necessary break!   :biggrin:

Btw, i think it's cool you've asked me about opinion, albeit i don't recall i knew a member with such a seductive username  :whistleinnoc:

Anyways. The majority, me among them, are pro-NATO. Some are against. If speaking objectively (, а не только с высоты своей колокольни) those of us who think it's a good idea - see many pro-; those of us who are against (the membership) see many contra-arguments.
Btw, the choice has hardly anything to do (at least for us) with alleged Russian geo-political interest in the region. We have our own "thing" going on for centuries (with neighboring countries.)

Once upon a time, when Slavic (religious -linguistic) connection was still strong and we had a mutual enemy (Ottoman Empire), Russia and Monte used to be allies. But we liberated ourselves from Turks, without waiting for 'foreign intervention'. Fast forward to WWII. Unlike the countries who used to be in a ex-Soviet block, once again, we fought and liberated ourselves on our own. Russians were not "освободители" for us, just allies. Thus, they did not have the base to install their rule, like they did in other Eastern-European countries. It's common knowledge, that - with due respect - except probably in Bulgaria, that rule was hated and considered tyrannical (in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, "Eastern Germany".) Hardly anyone in those countries felt sorry when Soviet Union fell apart and Russians went home. As per former Yugoslavia: in 1948 there was the historical fall out of two Josephs - Tito vs Stalin. It's back then that was decided not to associate interests of this region with Mother Russia. Nothing has changed since then. We have radical right parties whom noone take seriously which are funded from Russian sources. I believe it's normal (common?), it's called lobbing in English-speaking world. They lobby for Russian interests, but they are not doing a good work (judgement of their work comes form my own experience in lobbing, albeit in very different sphere.)
We have big Russian diaspora here. They are welcomed and their rights are respected (you can find sources in Russian - bulletins and social media posts by their community and read yourselves.)
Politics aside, common, average Montenegrin (like myself) still has warm feelings towards Russians. It's "irrational", could be "genetic memory" of the times of centuries ago when being of the same religion(Christian Orthodox), we used to pray together in the same language (Old Church Slavonic.) We used to consider each other as brothers. At least 300y passed. It's 5 or 6 generations since then. We are still related, but an extended family by now and our interest differ. Something like that.  :)

p.s. I forgot to add: contemporary Montenegro is a different country than it used to be some centuries ago - both geographically and ethnically. What i wrote above (re. historical connections) is true of many Montenegrins who are Christian Orthodox, but at least 30% of us are not, we belong to ethnic and religious minorities and feel connection to our own "исторические Родины" - for many it's Turkey, for some - it's Albania, for some - Croatia, Italy and, last but not the least, Israel.  Peace out.
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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2017, 02:02:58 AM »
Nice to see you back Volshe  tiphat
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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 02:56:59 AM »
Nice to see you back Volshe  tiphat

Thank you, dear Dogsoldier! It's nice to see you too! Best regards to you personally and to your beautiful family  :)
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Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 09:02:57 AM »

Hi there! Departed?! Moi???  ??? I was merely taking a necessary break!   :biggrin:

Btw, i think it's cool you've asked me about opinion, albeit i don't recall i knew a member with such a seductive username  :whistleinnoc:

Thank you for your informational post. I was a lurker for a while
so I was hardly memorable.

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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2017, 09:36:55 AM »



Hi there! Departed?! Moi???  ??? I was merely taking a necessary break!   


Well, I'm glad P asked you to contribute and your succinct update on things Montenegro.


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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 02:37:56 PM »

Hi there! Departed?! Moi???  ??? I was merely taking a necessary break!   :biggrin:

Btw, i think it's cool you've asked me about opinion, albeit i don't recall i knew a member with such a seductive username  :whistleinnoc:

Thank you for your informational post. I was a lurker for a while
so I was hardly memorable.

Thank you  :)
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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2017, 04:12:30 PM »



Hi there! Departed?! Moi???  ??? I was merely taking a necessary break!   


Well, I'm glad P asked you to contribute and your succinct update on things Montenegro.


Don't be a stranger

Thanks Moby!  :)  But i am a stranger, an eternal one (and in a strange land too)...  :innocent: Glad to see you  ;)
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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 08:01:25 PM »
Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: Montenegro to NATO?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2017, 09:23:39 PM »
US Senate vote ratifies Montenegro joining NATO

https://www.rt.com/usa/382622-senate-montenegro-nato-approve-expansion/

Tom Cat, i know you have me on ignore and probably won't read this, but still:

thank you  :)

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