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« on: March 05, 2017, 09:06:11 AM »
Hi guys! I have looked through forum and wanted t ask. Am I right that no honest ppl sites left and it is better to use only free ones? Or there can be some luck in ppl sites too?

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Re: good sites
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 09:59:06 AM »
Welcome to the forum.

PPL sites have one main objective.  To earn revenue.  So they will try to induce you to open your wallet.  And many use dishonest means to achieve that.  That does not mean that you cannot find a "honest" lady on a PPL site.  But, like fishing in polluted waters, you likely are not going to find a great catch.  But, do not assume that free ones are better.  Scammers are cheapskates and look for free sites to plaster their fake profiles to search for naive people.  You might find a higher number of genuine profiles on free sites, but they also are polluted with plenty of fakes and swindlers.

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Re: good sites
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 11:03:24 AM »
I had a friend who used a PPL site extensively over a few years. He even visited some of the ladies through the agency. He had two of their interpreters who took pity on him on separate occasions and in different cities give him a being behind the scenes look on how things really work. In short it is a gauntlet to get through. Possible? Yes, but you really have to choose wisely and maybe with a little luck you can get through. I'll tell you more if you are interested.

 


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Re: good sites
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 02:18:58 PM »
I agree with the above replies. It is a minefield!

However by personal recent follow up into a 90 letters to one girl being real or not some years ago on a ppl site the only thing I got honesty attracts honesty to really explain it. They even got the girl in to make a video to defend themselves!

Though the main reason why the ppl was the added from another site where the girl also was listed option SKYPE! Now it was only direct to the girl and no translator involved or agency.

Some sites have web cam Skype calls and that is a direct approach to the girl. No smoke and mirrors. The real deal!

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Re: good sites
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2017, 06:19:59 PM »
Hi guys! I have looked through forum and wanted t ask. Am I right that no honest ppl sites left and it is better to use only free ones? Or there can be some luck in ppl sites too?

"Pay per letter" sites are for suckers. There's a new one born every second. They always claim to have "insider" information on how to "beat the system".   :ROFL:

Pick a site which has a flat fee for 1, 3, 6 or 12 months. Such as Ukraine Date, or Mamba, etc.

Go ahead and write to a woman on "ppl". They will never turn you down and it will only cost you $10 or more to open a letter.

Now pick an attractive woman like this one. Pay the fee for access. If she writes back she may be interested but if not there is your answer.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1453008

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Re: good sites
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2017, 09:40:03 PM »
Hi guys! I have looked through forum and wanted t ask. Am I right that no honest ppl sites left and it is better to use only free ones? Or there can be some luck in ppl sites too?

"Pay per letter" sites are for suckers. There's a new one born every second. They always claim to have "insider" information on how to "beat the system".   :ROFL:

Pick a site which has a flat fee for 1, 3, 6 or 12 months. Such as [url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=][url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=]Ukraine Date[/url][/url], or Mamba, etc.

Go ahead and write to a woman on "ppl". They will never turn you down and it will only cost you $10 or more to open a letter.

Now pick an attractive woman like this one. Pay the fee for access. If she writes back she may be interested but if not there is your answer.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1453008

The profile lists the education information as follows:
Education:    Primary (Elementary) School

Here is another with a higher education level.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1459110

The only negative that I can see is her height to weight ratio and her ambivalence about relocation (probably has a good career in academics).

I just checked my profile on Ukrainedate and someone from Alabama was interested in me (the lady is not European).

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Re: good sites
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2017, 10:12:46 PM »
Hi guys! I have looked through forum and wanted t ask. Am I right that no honest ppl sites left and it is better to use only free ones? Or there can be some luck in ppl sites too?

"Pay per letter" sites are for suckers. There's a new one born every second. They always claim to have "insider" information on how to "beat the system".   :ROFL:

Pick a site which has a flat fee for 1, 3, 6 or 12 months. Such as [url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=][url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=][url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=]Ukraine Date[/url][/url][/url], or Mamba, etc.

Go ahead and write to a woman on "ppl". They will never turn you down and it will only cost you $10 or more to open a letter.

Now pick an attractive woman like this one. Pay the fee for access. If she writes back she may be interested but if not there is your answer.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1453008

The profile lists the education information as follows:
Education:    Primary (Elementary) School

Here is another with a higher education level.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1459110

The only negative that I can see is her height to weight ratio and her ambivalence about relocation (probably has a good career in academics).

I just checked my profile on Ukrainedate and someone from Alabama was interested in me (the lady is not European).

Likely an American scammer. Don't give your email to that one ever unless you want to be bombarded with junk mail.

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Re: good sites
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 12:19:43 AM »
It is faulty thinking to suggest that Pay Per Letter sites are inherently less honest than other formats of MOB site. A business costs money to run and, one way or another those costs will be covered or the business will close.

What many, probably most, of the people making such claims are unaware of the reality that PPL sites such as Anastasia put a huge effort to keep their shelves stocked with an increasingly rare product: women willing to consider marrying a foreign, particularly American, bloke.

If you want to find a genuine woman then such sites may well be the best option. The problem is that almost all of the male clients actually prefer to rip themselves off by chasing dreams that flatter their ego rather than looking for someone real.

If you are the special snowflake who is better than ALL the women in his country then be prepared to put in a special effort to find a woman not only better than all the women in your country but who recognises just how wonderful you are.

"For what else is the life of man but a kind of play in which men in various costumes perform until the director motions them offstage?" -Erasmus

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Re: good sites
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 01:43:44 AM »
It is faulty thinking to suggest that Pay Per Letter sites are inherently less honest than other formats of MOB site. A business costs money to run and, one way or another those costs will be covered or the business will close.

What many, probably most, of the people making such claims are unaware of the reality that PPL sites such as Anastasia put a huge effort to keep their shelves stocked with an increasingly rare product: women willing to consider marrying a foreign, particularly American, bloke.

If you want to find a genuine woman then such sites may well be the best option. The problem is that almost all of the male clients actually prefer to rip themselves off by chasing dreams that flatter their ego rather than looking for someone real.

If you are the special snowflake who is better than ALL the women in his country then be prepared to put in a special effort to find a woman not only better than all the women in your country but who recognises just how wonderful you are.

To the OP pay particular attention to the part in bold.

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Re: good sites
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 04:24:35 AM »

I was going to add. If you check out the profiles of the non "A" list girls you see quite a number of plain-Janes. However some of them are far from being plain in their appearance. Just not somebody you would mistake for a super model or a high class hooker. More of the "girl next door" types or with others using the modern parlance, "Mothers blank blank :censored:". So what is the story with them? Could some of them be what Andrew called, "genuine woman?" Someone who paid out of their own pockets for professional agency photographs and spent their time setting up their profiles? And for what reason? To help the agency by being a "beard" so to speak for all the agency's other nefarious activities? (Occam's razor here) Or could it be for reasons they state on their profiles, love, family and a chance to escape the dead end they are in? At what point is wanting a better financial future through marriage not gold digging but just being practical especially if there is a dependent child involved?

I know it is easier to get all snarky and show off you are a real man by condemning the whole business. But isn't that being dishonest in regard to these "genuine women" who believe by joining these agencies they will find the same thing we look for?

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Re: good sites
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 06:47:07 AM »
Simples.. stay away from PPL models.

Their 'costs' are easily covered by us unknowing clients....... ( idiots!) 

I have been an idiot who has paid..many moons ago..

The genuine women are rarely on such sites.

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Re: good sites
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 08:38:49 AM »
thank you for recommendations!
I have googled some information also and found sites like Anastasiadate that are not advised to use. But as I see both ppl and free sites can be useful, most important is to be realistic in search.
I hope not to start chasing dreams and don't think that relationship with girl 20 or so years younger than me will work. Actually I have an Ukrainian origins so I consider looking for a woman there as a chance not only to find wife but learn more about culture in general.

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2017, 08:23:45 AM »
Hi guys! I have looked through forum and wanted t ask. Am I right that no honest ppl sites left and it is better to use only free ones? Or there can be some luck in ppl sites too?

"Pay per letter" sites are for suckers. There's a new one born every second. They always claim to have "insider" information on how to "beat the system".   :ROFL:

Pick a site which has a flat fee for 1, 3, 6 or 12 months. Such as [url=http://cupidlinks.com/?a=89194&c=5141&s1=]Ukraine Date[/url], or Mamba, etc.

Go ahead and write to a woman on "ppl". They will never turn you down and it will only cost you $10 or more to open a letter.

Now pick an attractive woman like this one. Pay the fee for access. If she writes back she may be interested but if not there is your answer.

https://www.ukrainedate.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/1453008

"Pay per letter" sites are for suckers. There's a new one born every second.    :thumbsup:

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2017, 11:04:01 PM »
Here is an interesting discrepancy for one of the profiles on the border (loveme.com)

Natalia is 39 blond hair based in Kyiv.  Was born under the Capricorn sign.  This is similar to the same lady on another site.   However, the vital statistics then diverge.

Loveme.com profile ID  172685

Find-bride.com profile ID  35233

Weight is stated as 60 kg on one site while it is 46 kg on the other site.   ???

Height is stated as 175 cm on one site while it is 165 cm on the other site.   ???

Eye color is green on one site while it is hazel on the other site.   ???

She is divorced with a 12 year old daughter on one site and she is divorced with no children on the other site.   :-\

These physical differences are not insignificant.  Green and hazel colored eyes can sometimes be rather close in tint, so it can be a subjective description.  I can see people getting taller and heavier due to diet changes, but the presence/absence of a child is quite a major difference.   :duh:

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2017, 06:49:48 AM »
Dcguyusa, you DO know that the odds that either profile reflects a real person is very slim don't you?

If a profile interests you then pay the money, open the box, and use your best skill and judgement to ascertain the veracity of any posted information whilst proceeding from the perspective that any info is false and not reflective of any real human being.

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