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Sochi air crash :(
« on: December 25, 2016, 02:37:04 AM »
An elderly TU-154 has crashed into the Black Sea off Sochi , after refuelling there..c.5am Moscow time

It was a flight with a military band and many TV correspondents en route to Syria..


https://www.rt.com/news/371623-russian-tu-154-disappears-radars/

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 04:20:39 AM »
More info:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38430164

Last msg from pilot was 'normal' - then c. 2 mins into the flight ... gone..

So, the plane was only 1.5km from land - still in Russian airspace - but v.close to 'Abkhazia'

Could it be a hostile act?  Can't believe a military plane wouldn't be well-maintained. 

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2016, 06:45:37 AM »
If it was an action by hostile forces I would think it would be by Chechens and not Georgians.


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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2016, 07:44:32 AM »
Hi Maxx,

I meant any attack might come from 'Abkhazia' - not the people of that region.. and few consider themselves Georgian.

The announcement that it was likely a plane fault came too fast - how CAN they know, already ?

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2016, 07:57:12 AM »
Been on quite a few Tu-154's - always made me nervous.....
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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2016, 08:21:04 AM »
Been on quite a few Tu-154's - always made me nervous.....

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Entering via the rear... always different ;)

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2016, 09:53:26 AM »
Members of famed Russian choir were on board. A horrible tragedy on Christmas day. RIP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/world/europe/russian-military-plane-crash-alexandrov-ensemble.html?_r=0

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2016, 02:51:37 PM »
OK, so the (swift ) reasoning to doubt a terrorist attack is based on the fact that the plane was thoroughly checked at the point of departure and diverted to Sochi to refuel...not the original plan

It's in Russian - but can easily be translated


http://www.1tv.ru/news/2016/12/25/316838-versiya_terakta_pri_rassledovanii_krusheniya_tu_154_ne_rassmatrivaetsya_kak_osnovnaya

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2016, 04:47:23 PM »
You have a whole new group of people now hating Russia over the attacks of civilians near the Turkey border. There very well might be a link here and the Russian diplomat shot in Turkey. The fact this jet was on it way to Syria likely not a random act but someone sending a message to Putin.   

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 03:55:48 AM »
First of all a really sad tragedy.

While nothing can be ruled out, I lean toward human or mechanical error as opposed to an act of terrorism. Why? First, the departure city is in Russia. Secondly, it's not the style of Georgians, and Putin pays too much money to Kadyrov to keep the Chechens in check these days.

And while there are more Russian "haters" in the world nowadays, it would seem implausible to have someone from these factions in place at an airport widely frequented by Russians for obvious reasons.

Plane accidents have been happening since the beginning of flight, and I have also experience the "thrill" of riding in a Tupelo; usually praying along the way. IOW, not the best plane tp be locked in. 

I also think the assassination of the Turkish Ambassador and this tragedy are more coincidental than connected. Again, not saying this it isn't terrorism, just that circumstances lead me to believe it was the plane or its pilot.
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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2016, 06:21:26 AM »
First of all a really sad tragedy.

While nothing can be ruled out, I lean toward human or mechanical error as opposed to an act of terrorism. Why? First, the departure city is in Russia. Secondly, it's not the style of Georgians, and Putin pays too much money to Kadyrov to keep the Chechens in check these days.

And while there are more Russian "haters" in the world nowadays, it would seem implausible to have someone from these factions in place at an airport widely frequented by Russians for obvious reasons.

Plane accidents have been happening since the beginning of flight, and I have also experience the "thrill" of riding in a Tupelo; usually praying along the way. IOW, not the best plane tp be locked in. 

I also think the assassination of the Turkish Ambassador and this tragedy are more coincidental than connected. Again, not saying this it isn't terrorism, just that circumstances lead me to believe it was the plane or its pilot.

A sad tragedy indeed....

My personal thoughts are that the plane was unable to climb due to fuel problems, and it dived into the sea before any alarm could be given..

Was on one of them 2 weeks ago, for some destinations/airfields in Russia, they are the only aircraft that can be used, newer, more modern aircraft cannot take the strains/bumps of said airfields...

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2016, 06:33:05 AM »
Flew in over the crash site, today.

I was shocked how close the recovery vessels are to the coast.

The winds have resulted in the search being 10 to 15km up the coat, towards Sochi.

The was a Hercky bird on the military side....Possibly French and various transport planes.




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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2016, 06:58:42 AM »
I've also flown with Aeroflot-Boeing that caused me some concern.

Whilst none of them fell from the sky, I did see smoke inside the cabin, heard rattling noises (like a worn bearing) and other things you're not supposed to hear/see in an airplane.

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2016, 07:36:29 AM »
Been on quite a few Tu-154's - always made me nervous.....

Me, too. We were on the tarmac just before takeoff and I was sitting by the rear door. I could hear wind rushing through it. I told the male flight attendant that it sounded like the door wasn't shut. He said not to worry when we got to altitude the pressure would seal it.....:-)))))

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Re: Sochi air crash :(
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2016, 07:46:52 AM »
I've also flown with Aeroflot-Boeing that caused me some concern.

Whilst none of them fell from the sky, I did see smoke inside the cabin, heard rattling noises (like a worn bearing) and other things you're not supposed to hear/see in an airplane.

Aeroflot has a young fleet, average age of their planes is about 5 yrs I recall...