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« on: November 30, 2016, 03:55:19 PM »
This will sound strange to many, i'm sure. I married my wife in 2008 just before she return to Russia because her father was ill. She did not return, but we communicated regularly. She asked me in 2014 if she could come back, I said yes. She arrived oct. 2015 and all has been well in this time. She has now gone to NY to take a brief medical training course due to return next month (dec) but I have become skeptical about this. If she has lied to me and deceived me and put me though all this headache of bring her back and then she disappears again. I think I must throw her sorry ass out of the country if possible. Not something I ever imagined I would be thinking. We have a good relationship considering how it sounds. I do think she may live in this fantasy world of the grass is greener on the other side. And wishing to stay in NY. Although big city living was one of my qualifying questions in the beginning. A fantasy for a foreign woman, I guess. Not for me. 
  She has a SS # & green card but is not US citizen yet. If it comes down to it, can I have her deported? (I would not threaten her with this to get her to come back home to me. If she does not want to be here with me and the commitment she made to me, then so be it. If she does not return as she said she would, and I can have her deported, then I just do what is necessary to make it happen in the dark, so to speak.) When we speak via phone/skype/text I listen to what she says and what she doesn't say,.... giving me my suspicions' of her plans. I don't ask because I want the ball to be in her court to tell me of her new plans.
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Re: deport wife
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 04:43:44 PM »
Your wife's immigration status is none of your business.  Period. 

Do not even think about taking any action with the authorities.  If you do it will be seen as coercion and have the opposite effect!

Your best plan of action is divorce.  Serve her with divorce papers and then avoid all physical contact with her.  She is likely to be well aware of her options re domestic violence etc.  You could easily become one of the many guys who have been used as "mules" and lost out to a very unfair divorce settlement...

Revenge is a very sad emotion.  If this relationship is over, end it and move on with your life.  Good Luck!


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Re: deport wife
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 05:39:05 PM »
Your wife's immigration status is none of your business.  Period. 

Do not even think about taking any action with the authorities.  If you do it will be seen as coercion and have the opposite effect!

Your best plan of action is divorce.  Serve her with divorce papers and then avoid all physical contact with her.  She is likely to be well aware of her options re domestic violence etc.  You could easily become one of the many guys who have been used as "mules" and lost out to a very unfair divorce settlement...

Revenge is a very sad emotion.  If this relationship is over, end it and move on with your life.  Good Luck!

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 10:23:00 AM »
If she has a green card and has not committed a crime then the USA will allow her to stay, that is how it works. Sorry to hear it did not work out for you.
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Re: deport wife
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 10:50:53 AM »
Is it possible to be there less than one year, absent for 5 and still have a green card?
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Re: deport wife
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 12:26:47 PM »
This will sound strange to many, i'm sure. I married my wife in 2008 just before she return to Russia because her father was ill. She did not return, but we communicated regularly. She asked me in 2014 if she could come back, I said yes. She arrived oct. 2015 and all has been well in this time. She has now gone to NY to take a brief medical training course due to return next month (dec) but I have become skeptical about this. If she has lied to me and deceived me and put me though all this headache of bring her back and then she disappears again. I think I must throw her sorry ass out of the country if possible. Not something I ever imagined I would be thinking. We have a good relationship considering how it sounds. I do think she may live in this fantasy world of the grass is greener on the other side. And wishing to stay in NY. Although big city living was one of my qualifying questions in the beginning. A fantasy for a foreign woman, I guess. Not for me. 
  She has a SS # & green card but is not US citizen yet. If it comes down to it, can I have her deported? (I would not threaten her with this to get her to come back home to me. If she does not want to be here with me and the commitment she made to me, then so be it. If she does not return as she said she would, and I can have her deported, then I just do what is necessary to make it happen in the dark, so to speak.) When we speak via phone/skype/text I listen to what she says and what she doesn't say,.... giving me my suspicions' of her plans. I don't ask because I want the ball to be in her court to tell me of her new plans.
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You better just love her the best that you can; assuming that you do. Don't make any kind of threats or ultimatums, that would work against you. Good luck with this situation, however bear in mind that you attempting to "throw her sorry ass out" is not an option. She likely knows our system far better than you do and you would be facing even more heartache if she were to feel threatened and made an allegation of domestic violence.

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 03:10:40 PM »
Let us be right about this case!
This 2 Cats bloke was married to some bird back in 2008. She left him shortly afterward and, in the interim, our hero has been seeking her replacement.

This is a bunch of silliness on the part of a bloke who seems happy/driven to revisit and repeat previous mistakes.

OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?

Methinks this smacks of a case of a bloke having lost all traces of the good sense he was born with!

2 Cats: If you want to be with this woman then tell her so; do so explicitly and concretely and tell her what you expect of her. Don't offer to do insane stuff like uproot your life to be with her. You'd be foolish in the extreme to go down that road but an old goat often wants to be an old goat and will not be dissuaded.

If you don't want to be with this woman, or she, sensibly, chooses to continue her independent life then get sorted out with a divorce asap. A divorce might well suit this woman by now anyway.

This woman is part of your past, not part of your future. Look for women from your pwn peer group and community. I promise you it will be better for you!

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2016, 03:31:32 PM »
OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?
 

If you were the sponsoring agent you most likely signed a financial obligation with the USA that makes you financially responsible for her.  As long as she has a green card this can be enforced.

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2016, 05:33:53 PM »
OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?
 

If you were the sponsoring agent you most likely signed a financial obligation with the USA that makes you financially responsible for her.  As long as she has a green card this can be enforced.

Enjoy

Even when she has a hankering for some Russian dude she likely met online in New York City? (cue that chili commercial with the Cowboys who say, New York City with a twangy accent)   :ROFL: 

Partner since the woman left you shortly after you was married back in 2008 (that is 8 long years he's been waiting for this gal) why didn't you divorce her back then and get on with your life?

And now she's gone off to NY City. Well you must have some sense about you 'cause you rightly suspect something.

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2016, 05:47:46 PM »
OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?
 

If you were the sponsoring agent you most likely signed a financial obligation with the USA that makes you financially responsible for her.  As long as she has a green card this can be enforced.

Enjoy

I used be considered an expert on this subject. The I-864 affidavit of support has never been enforced to my knowledge. I was told back August of 2003 by the retired District of the INS  (USCIS) it was a nonissue. The only time it became an issue was in the "Stump case" where a clever lawyer used to help his client get some spousal support. There might be other examples but it is not real common that I've heard of. Most (all) of the troubles the guys have is with a woman who hasn't got a green card yet. Then he has to watch out for false charges of domestic abuse to bolster her I-360 petition for abused spouses of USCs.

There is a bunch of info here http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/NewSite/PremaritalArticleRussian.htm

Best bet is to separate, stay away and file for divorce. 

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 06:44:29 PM »
OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?
 

If you were the sponsoring agent you most likely signed a financial obligation with the USA that makes you financially responsible for her.  As long as she has a green card this can be enforced.

Enjoy

That's not true!

The affidavit of support has a life of ten years or 40 quarters of work. The work can be accrued by both partners, while they are together, or the imported spouse once divorced.

In this case we know that hero got together with his missus in 2008, we don't know how many years she worked, but there's some. 2 Cats has, presumably, been working and thus accruing toward the 40 quarters since she came over. They have never been divorced and so his work can be credited toward the 40 quarters and thus approximately 30 quarters accrue through him leaving 10 quarters or 4 years for his wife. Chances are that his obligations under the AOS are either discharged or nearly so. They certainly do not follow him around like the ancient mariner's albatross!

What it boils down to is this: if both partners are working all the time then the AOS is discharged after just five years. If I were a USAian then I'd be setting my newly imported bride up as an employee of my newly minted business from day one of her arrival in the Land of the Free!


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Re: deport wife
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2016, 07:14:22 PM »
The AOS is supposed to reimburse Federal, State and County welfare benefits they've spent on a RW. Very few Russian woman will live on welfare because they want a better standard of a living. Besides the government doesn't seem to enforce this AOS anyway. Pretty much it is a non-factor and not something to worry about. After 8 years of not enforcing it on 2 Cats I don't think he has much to worry about.

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2016, 07:22:09 PM »
I am sure that you are right about the chances of the AOS being enforced in this case. The AOS IS enforced though, albeit, probably not as often as it should be.

I was writing about what the rules are, not what folks manage to get away with, and to correct an incorrect assertion of fact.

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2016, 07:04:22 PM »
OK, mate, you have been told that you have no input into her residency, or otherwise, in the USA and that's correct. As far as I can see she has been out of your purview for long enough that you have no obligations to the USA for any financial commitments so what on earth makes you think you have any right to decide where she lives?
 

If you were the sponsoring agent you most likely signed a financial obligation with the USA that makes you financially responsible for her.  As long as she has a green card this can be enforced.

Enjoy

Yep, you are on the hook until she becomes a citizen or works some ungodly amount of time. But, like Maxx says it is rarely enforced. It is more likely she will latch on to a higher earner in her preferred destination far away from Mayberry. Like Leslie said her status is NOYB and interference is not looked upon with favor. You made your "bed."  Thinking before acting is so important in the Foreign Marriage Game. FMG, I like that. Too many guys think of it this way and don't realize it has real life consequences and fail to plan accordingly...

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Re: deport wife
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2016, 07:11:36 PM »
Is it possible to be there less than one year, absent for 5 and still have a green card?

There is some requirement to be in country for a certain amount of time during the first two years of residency, I believe. I had to investigate this because mt stepson worked as an officer in the shipping trade for a while after he came here. Working at sea is considered 'continuous residency' so it didn't effect him.

We have too many people ahead of her on the "chucking out" list.  As long as she keeps her nose clean nobody will care.