Cuba Libre?

[Contrarian]

No doubt there is probably a couple on this forum (moby, possibly Ste) who glorify "socialism".  I believe reading an opinion piece like this, from a Cuban is really important.  Marxism has always been based on class warfare and theft. It destroys families, it destroys lives, it destroys countries.


Opinion piece:
Please don't pretend to understand what happened on that island. You can not Monday morning quarterback the days, weeks, months that led to his years of oppression.

The Cuban culture embodied flavor, sugar, rum, a good smoke, a beautiful woman, a dashing Casanova, family daily visits, grandparents that lived with their children, good food, musicians on corners, dominoes at cafes, sweet desserts and what can only be described as fluid sexuality in our dance.

It's a culture of hard workers, cleanliness, idioms and funny compliments.

These weren't warriors.
 Cuba's crime rate was low.
 The centerpiece of technology and fashion.
 Everything was tested there and if successful sent to New York.

It was such a colonial and gorgeous island that it drew in and captivated Germans, Chinese, Irish, Spaniards, Americans and Russians to leave their countries and repatriate there.

Castro didn't storm in on one side of the island and with a swooping coup d'etat seat himself at a coronation.

It was gradual.

He appealed to the young, poor and uneducated first. With talk of "sharing the wealth" of how "the rich didn't need so much" of how he would make sure everyone was truly "equal". Countryfolk that didn't read or write fell head first for the hype.

He grew his crowds momentum.

Those that opposed were executed, curbside.

When he finally took over, weapons were all removed. His indoctrination or brainwashing literally divided families. He had quiet watchers to see if anyone had too many "guests" and if they called the authorities, on suspicion alone you we're thrown in jail.

Brothers turned on brothers.
 Sons on their fathers.
 Marriages broken.
 Children fatherless.
 Jobs lost.
 Business owners accused of anti Castro rhetoric were removed from their businesses, accounts frozen, homes removed and possessions taken.

Women saw their husbands arrested because of gossip. No legal right to see your accuser so the rest of the neighborhood didn't know who this "watcher" was but they we're compensated with better homes, better food, security for their family, jobs for their kin.

So yes The Bay of Pigs was that ONE golden opportunity. Poorly planned. Poorly executed.
 No we don't blame the U. S.
 Kennedy did the best he could facing sure war with USSR.

There were no cell phones, secured lines, email or back room Mafia setups. You can't plan a well executed war if you can't meet with those willing to fight!!!!

Many of those that fled to the US early on were those with children. Escaping with barely the clothes on their back. If you were a young man, you were drafted into Castro's military. Guess who you weren't fighting against? Old men we're too frail for war. Children separated from their parents during The Peter Pan. He dedicated himself to breaking the very fibers that held our culture together. Family ties ruined.

My point is that it wasn't as easy as some people would like to believe. We didn't have another uprising because it wasn't just go in and fight. You didn't know exactly who your enemy was. There we're snakes in the pen. Yes you're willing to sacrifice your life, but are you willing to place your mothers in danger? Your children? Your siblings?? Their homes? Livelihood?

The people had no weapons.
 Get them from where?
 People have barely made it out alive when escaping and you want them to park a boat and bring in weapons?? Kill Castro...... Sure. We all wanted that. We're you willing to kill children, your family, your old friends to get to him? I don't think so.

He was heavily guarded, heavily protected and although we hate him for the vile things he did - we respected the tenacity. We knew he didn't care who he killed to stay there. We understood there was no benevolence or weakness to attack.

We rejoice today from a different land, a new home that took us in, because he is finally dead. Countless of thousands dead at his command - vindicated.
 No we aren't now having a mass Exodus back to Cuba.
 We can be emotional, celebrate his death, hug, scream, cry, and enjoy this moment in time - from here.

This became our home 57 years ago.
 It doesn't mean our hearts don't bleed rum and cafe. We still feel the losses of so few decades ago.

Our story is why we vote Republican.
 Our history is why we love our guns.
 Our losses are why we fight to keep it from happening again here.

This is our home now.

Castro, I only wish that hell was a real place. That your soul would know torment for all eternity. It would mean a poetic justice for those lives you cut too soon.

In light that it doesn't, I relish the fact you're still dead as    you piece of  ing shit.

No more posts on this piece of shit.
 He isn't worth the fame.


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[Contrarian]

[Gipsy]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

[Ste]

I can post pictures of American Troops murdering civilians from recent past and pictures of Americans lynching (black) Americans from a bit further back, they're all over the internet so what's your point?

You have to start realising there is no absolute right way, no absolute wrong way, no-one is innocent, everyone is complicit.

You've already said you see no faults in Trump, don't you think you need expand your thought processes to fit conventions from outside the box your Goverment has pre-programmed for you?

[Ste]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

That's what Confederate doesn't seem to grasp, FC did some cool stuff, he did some terrible stuff, but in Confed's World Trump is already the best Pres. ever even though he's not actually Pres. yet and here's to 16 years of American Stars 'n' Bars and Uncle Sam giving all US citizens a perfect life with no healthcare for all, rampant gun crime, police officers out of control, vote fraud, missing email servers, but everyone has change of making it big like Trump with only two two things, a rich dad and $13bn......

 

[Maxx]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

[Ste]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

That's true obvs, but he also made healthcare and education free, and literacy in Cuba is 100%, I'm sure it's nowhere near that in Confed's town.

So he killed people, and he also looked after people, so what was he? Hero or villain? Or a mix as most are?

[Ste]

Not to say his image looks better on a tee shirt than Trumps wankpuffin face.

[Maxx]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

[Ste]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

It's a good question, in UK we blame Blair for the deaths of many in Iraq, and Thatcher for those in the Falklands, but none actually killed anyone, nor pressed any buttons, just signed bits of paper, hard to say where the ral cupablilty lies.

Who knows what we've done personally that have directly affected the lifes of others and killed people further down the chain? The Butterfly Effect.

Toughie but like I always say, no-one is innocent, none of us.

[Contrarian]

I can post pictures of American Troops murdering civilians from recent past and pictures of Americans lynching (black) Americans from a bit further back, they're all over the internet so what's your point?

You have to start realising there is no absolute right way, no absolute wrong way, no-one is innocent, everyone is complicit.

You've already said you see no faults in Trump, don't you think you need expand your thought processes to fit conventions from outside the box your Goverment has pre-programmed for you?

Please post the pictures of American troops murdering civilians!!  Do it.  You are truly clueless if you believe what you just wrote (and here's me, thinking that you were really intelligent with a high IQ!!).

Any soldier who did that was held to account; it is a moot point.  Go back and read what the lady wrote.  She showed clearly how Socialists operate:

1.  they appeal to lower class, lower IQ peasants that the rich don't need their money. class warfare.
2.  they then steal property of wealthy persons through physical force.  violence.
3.  they then pit brother and sister against each other.  snitches are rewarded.  gossipers awarded.
4.  those they snitched on get shot by firing squad, after being tortured.  nice!!
5.  what do Socialists want???  Power and control.
6.  How do they achieve it??  gun control.  When only they have the guns, they can get power and control.
7.  Once average persons cannot defend themselves, they commit acts of violence, aggression, thought control, controlled speech.

Trump is not perfect but he is constrained by Congress and the Supreme Court.  I never said Trump had no flaws, this is you attempting to put words in my mouth.  Aren't you a good little Socialist?  You're already trying to take away my freedom of speech, by saying I said things I did not say!!  Congratulations.

Show me an instance of Republicans ever rounding people up.  Republicans committing property damage like the "liberals".

The history (in USA) of the Democratic party (the ones you are trying to defend) was aggressions against minorities.  Republicans under Lincoln fought a bloody civil war to end slavery.  Get your facts correct and stop trying to mislead!!

[Dogsoldier]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

It's a good question, in UK we blame Blair for the deaths of many in Iraq, and Thatcher for those in the Falklands, but none actually killed anyone, nor pressed any buttons, just signed bits of paper, hard to say where the ral cupablilty lies.

Who knows what we've done personally that have directly affected the lifes of others and killed people further down the chain? The Butterfly Effect.

Toughie but like I always say, no-one is innocent, none of us.

You're the only person I've known to blame Thatcher for deaths in the Falklands. Not that I should be surprised. It's probably something most Corbynistas have in common.

[Contrarian]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

That's what Confederate doesn't seem to grasp, FC did some cool stuff, he did some terrible stuff, but in Confed's World Trump is already the best Pres. ever even though he's not actually Pres. yet and here's to 16 years of American Stars 'n' Bars and Uncle Sam giving all US citizens a perfect life with no healthcare for all, rampant gun crime, police officers out of control, vote fraud, missing email servers, but everyone has change of making it big like Trump with only two two things, a rich dad and $13bn......

Fidel Castro did absolutely nothing good. He was a butcher who pitted brother against sister.  Glorifying a Nazi like Fidel Castro or Hitler, really Ste I thought you were a better man than this. 




Edit:  I will agree with Ste that Fidel did some good.  Bear in mind there are old Germans who feel the same about Hitler, and old Russians who feel the same about Stalin.

Do the means justify the end results?  I believe not. Others can decide for themselves.

[Contrarian]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

That's true obvs, but he also made healthcare and education free, and literacy in Cuba is 100%, I'm sure it's nowhere near that in Confed's town.

So he killed people, and he also looked after people, so what was he? Hero or villain? Or a mix as most are?

1.  Absolutely NOTHING is free, it can only be gained by theft from others.
2.  So he killed people?  That's right, like the Nazi's and Bolsheveks, he killed in order to steal.
3.  Literacy is 100%??  That is extremely doubtful, however if you just kill those who cannot read, mission accomplished!

[Ste]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

It's a good question, in UK we blame Blair for the deaths of many in Iraq, and Thatcher for those in the Falklands, but none actually killed anyone, nor pressed any buttons, just signed bits of paper, hard to say where the ral cupablilty lies.

Who knows what we've done personally that have directly affected the lifes of others and killed people further down the chain? The Butterfly Effect.

Toughie but like I always say, no-one is innocent, none of us.

You're the only person I've known to blame Thatcher for deaths in the Falklands. Not that I should be surprised. It's probably something most Corbynistas have in common.

Never heard Mother of a Thousand Dead?

[Gipsy]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

That's true obvs, but he also made healthcare and education free, and literacy in Cuba is 100%, I'm sure it's nowhere near that in Confed's town.

So he killed people, and he also looked after people, so what was he? Hero or villain? Or a mix as most are?

1.  Absolutely NOTHING is free, it can only be gained by theft from others.
2. So he killed people?  That's right, like the Nazi's and Bolsheveks, he killed in order to steal.
3.  Literacy is 100%??  That is extremely doubtful, however if you just kill those who cannot read, mission accomplished!

Unlike the yanks who massacred the red Indians in order to steal....

[Ste]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

That's what Confederate doesn't seem to grasp, FC did some cool stuff, he did some terrible stuff, but in Confed's World Trump is already the best Pres. ever even though he's not actually Pres. yet and here's to 16 years of American Stars 'n' Bars and Uncle Sam giving all US citizens a perfect life with no healthcare for all, rampant gun crime, police officers out of control, vote fraud, missing email servers, but everyone has change of making it big like Trump with only two two things, a rich dad and $13bn......

Fidel Castro did absolutely nothing good. He was a butcher who pitted brother against sister.  Glorifying a Nazi like Fidel Castro or Hitler, really Ste I thought you were a better man than this.

Where did I glorify him? I said he did good and bad, show me..

[Contrarian]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

That's true obvs, but he also made healthcare and education free, and literacy in Cuba is 100%, I'm sure it's nowhere near that in Confed's town.

So he killed people, and he also looked after people, so what was he? Hero or villain? Or a mix as most are?

1.  Absolutely NOTHING is free, it can only be gained by theft from others.
2. So he killed people?  That's right, like the Nazi's and Bolsheveks, he killed in order to steal.
3.  Literacy is 100%??  That is extremely doubtful, however if you just kill those who cannot read, mission accomplished!

Unlike the yanks who massacred the red Indians in order to steal....

You are English are you not?  What the English Settlers did is what the English Empire did for several hundred years. (corrected)

I don't deny that your ancestors did bad things.  We here in the present have done our best to make amends for what your culture taught to our first settlers. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

[Ste]

Deleted too cold to post...

[Contrarian]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

That's what Confederate doesn't seem to grasp, FC did some cool stuff, he did some terrible stuff, but in Confed's World Trump is already the best Pres. ever even though he's not actually Pres. yet and here's to 16 years of American Stars 'n' Bars and Uncle Sam giving all US citizens a perfect life with no healthcare for all, rampant gun crime, police officers out of control, vote fraud, missing email servers, but everyone has change of making it big like Trump with only two two things, a rich dad and $13bn......

Fidel Castro did absolutely nothing good. He was a butcher who pitted brother against sister.  Glorifying a Nazi like Fidel Castro or Hitler, really Ste I thought you were a better man than this.

Where did I glorify him? I said he did good and bad, show me..

Okay, you are technically correct.  Unfortunately those who seize power through force, murder innocents, murder children, half freedom of speech, etc. can not be judged good in the final analysis.

[Dogsoldier]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

It's a good question, in UK we blame Blair for the deaths of many in Iraq, and Thatcher for those in the Falklands, but none actually killed anyone, nor pressed any buttons, just signed bits of paper, hard to say where the ral cupablilty lies.

Who knows what we've done personally that have directly affected the lifes of others and killed people further down the chain? The Butterfly Effect.

Toughie but like I always say, no-one is innocent, none of us.

You're the only person I've known to blame Thatcher for deaths in the Falklands. Not that I should be surprised. It's probably something most Corbynistas have in common.

Never heard Mother of a Thousand Dead?

Nope, I don't move in those circles.

[Ste]

Do good things done balance out the evil things done? Do they for ordinary people? If I do charitable things that help people could I get away with killing some of them?

Problem with being the president is most everything involving military actions leads to the death of innocents, "Collateral damage."  That is why my support for them is limited. I was raised to be a conscientious objector and was, but now older I realize it is not that simple.

It's a good question, in UK we blame Blair for the deaths of many in Iraq, and Thatcher for those in the Falklands, but none actually killed anyone, nor pressed any buttons, just signed bits of paper, hard to say where the ral cupablilty lies.

Who knows what we've done personally that have directly affected the lifes of others and killed people further down the chain? The Butterfly Effect.

Toughie but like I always say, no-one is innocent, none of us.

You're the only person I've known to blame Thatcher for deaths in the Falklands. Not that I should be surprised. It's probably something most Corbynistas have in common.

Never heard Mother of a Thousand Dead?

Nope, I don't move in those circles.

Good Lord.

[Contrarian]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

If you truly believe this then you need to meet some Cuban Americans.  They are honest and warm people.  Please go up and read again what the young woman wrote....

[Gipsy]

You've already said you see no faults in Trump,

I don't think that is his stand. Most of us know Trump is a flawed man that is for sure. But there is a hope the good he does will out weigh the bad. Things like making better relations with Russia and making the business environment more attractive to corporations that have fled the country. You can be for someone yet not be for everything they do and say. So it is like you say Ste. It is not all one way or the other with people or most Trump supporters. Of course there are truly evil men like Ted Bundy. I see FC being his equivalent with the ruthless killings he had done.

That's true obvs, but he also made healthcare and education free, and literacy in Cuba is 100%, I'm sure it's nowhere near that in Confed's town.

So he killed people, and he also looked after people, so what was he? Hero or villain? Or a mix as most are?

1.  Absolutely NOTHING is free, it can only be gained by theft from others.
2. So he killed people?  That's right, like the Nazi's and Bolsheveks, he killed in order to steal.
3.  Literacy is 100%??  That is extremely doubtful, however if you just kill those who cannot read, mission accomplished!

Unlike the yanks who massacred the red Indians in order to steal....

You are English are you not?  What the English Settlers did is what the English Empire did for several hundred years. (corrected)

I don't deny that your ancestors did bad things.  We here in the present have done our best to make amends for what your culture taught to our first settlers. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

I also don't deny that my ancestors may have done some bad things, but killing poor harmless lilole redskins, well, that really does take the biscuit...

Hope that you are proud of your ancestors...

[Gipsy]

^ Its possible that the above is all US propaganda, and the photos are photo shopped, in an attempt to brainwash people into believing the FC was a naughty person....

If you truly believe this then you need to meet some Cuban Americans.  They are honest and warm people.  Please go up and read again what the young woman wrote....

I read it, it was filled with US propaganda as one would expect..

The Cubans are honest and warm people, but I would bet that you have never set foot on the island....