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Can't blame Putin for this one.  The United states has shown nothing but aggression leaving no options.

Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/03/russia-vladimir-putin-united-states-plutonium/91467082/
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Re: Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2016, 02:19:39 AM »
Can't blame Putin for this one.  The United states has shown nothing but aggression leaving no options.

Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/03/russia-vladimir-putin-united-states-plutonium/91467082/

"Putin suspended a deal with the United States on Monday on the disposal of weapons-grade plutonium because of "unfriendly" acts by Washington." It is hard to be up set by this. This means more American get jobs that should of never left the US in the first place.These new sanctions are good for us and I hope Putin keeps it up. Since we buy everything from everyone else trade is bad for us.  It is like Rocket engines that should of never been bought from Russia. They need to be built them in the USA and create jobs in the USA that are higher pay than minimum wage. I hope that will be next.

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Re: Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2016, 06:57:39 AM »
The reason that USA buys rocket motors from Russia is that the technology to do so does not exist in the USA. That might change at some point but right now this is a lost art for the United States.

The design of the motors was licensed to the US many years ago but the metallurgical skills necessary to construct them is not available in the US.

The plutonium deal had great advantages to the USA, apart from representing a decrease in the number of nuclear weapons in the Russian armoury. The plutonium represented 'free' fuel for US nuclear reactors. The problem came when the US chose to bilk the Russian people. The deal was that plutonium would be reprocessed so that it could not be used for nuclear weapons. The United States reneged on that deal by changing the reprocessing procedures such that the plutonium could be turned back into weapons again. The process was justified on the basis of cost. At this time, in effect, Russia has been sending weapons grade material to the United States and the US had been receiving the stuff, in essence Russia has been supplying,  for free, the raw materials for weapons to be used against its people. Not a situation that could be allowed to continue.

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Re: Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2016, 11:42:04 AM »


The plutonium deal had great advantages to the USA, apart from representing a decrease in the number of nuclear weapons in the Russian armoury. The plutonium represented 'free' fuel for US nuclear reactors. The problem came when the US chose to bilk the Russian people. The deal was that plutonium would be reprocessed so that it could not be used for nuclear weapons. The United States reneged on that deal by changing the reprocessing procedures such that the plutonium could be turned back into weapons again. The process was justified on the basis of cost. At this time, in effect, Russia has been sending weapons grade material to the United States and the US had been receiving the stuff, in essence Russia has been supplying,  for free, the raw materials for weapons to be used against its people. Not a situation that could be allowed to continue.

Was this not a "Reciprocal" agreement, whereas, The US received and were to re-processed Russian plutonium, and Russia received US plutonium for re-processing?

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Re: Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2016, 01:45:41 PM »
My understanding was that it was the Megatons to Megawatts program. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatons_to_Megawatts_Program

That was designed to remove Russian nuclear weapons materials from possible use.

What I didn't understand was that according to  Wikipedia the program ended in 2013 without a successor  initiative.

My understanding was incorrect. This was a mutual agreement,  so yes you are correct. But the core issue is the same.
What the US has been doing is treating the materials in such a way as to enable further processing back into weapons  grade fuel.  That breaks the treaty.
The Russians have been taking materials off the table. The Americans have just been putting them into storage. It seems that the issue has been boiling up for some time.

According to Russian media the decision to end this cooperation was unrelated to Syria. It is,  given the conditions for recommencing, obviously related to the general concern about USAian silliness which has created a complete lack of trust.

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Re: Russia's Putin suspends weapons-grade plutonium deal with U.S.
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2016, 08:12:36 PM »
Putin Has Given the United States an Ultimatum

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putins-ultimatum/ri16851
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