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Offline Haventhrow

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What exactly is an Economist?
« on: August 31, 2016, 06:45:23 PM »
 I have been a member a couple of years trying to decide if this was for me. I have decided to try my luck(so to speak).I just joined Elenas models yesterday and have been looking at profiles. It seems like half the women on the website list their profession as economist. What does that mean in the Russian culture. Is it kind of a catch-all job title?
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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 07:24:57 PM »
Economist, in broad terms, is a book keeper. However, in some businesses it might relate to a position such as finance director or financial controller.

Basically an economist will have had a good education, be intelligent and numerate and probably have a responsible position.

When I was visiting with Russian firms I came across people, very often women, who were titled as economists but their function varied. Usually though it was not a line management role but a side role, kinda like Human Resources tends to be in many western firms.

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 09:13:32 PM »


If you want to test her, this about the best schools of economics graphic I have ever seen.

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2016, 09:19:54 PM »
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Ask the woman what sort of firm she is working in and than apply what Andrew describes.

The woman can a CFO or financial controller of a major corporation or the part time book keeper for a nail salon. Though I tend to think it will be some one more likely of the latter type. Often these women are highly educated and 'under' employed.
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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 10:34:46 PM »


If you want to test her, this about the best schools of economics graphic I have ever seen.


Don't forget to check her teeth while you are at it!  :'(

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 01:14:22 AM »
I just joined Elenas models yesterday

Elena's Models is still around?

Oh, and welcome to RUA.

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 01:30:12 AM »
It was no particular person....just that over and over again the occupation kept saying Economist. I figured it was a generalized term for a group of jobs.

Check her teeth? Is there a horse joke in there I am missing?   tiphat
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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 01:37:52 AM »
I just joined Elenas models yesterday

Elena's Models is still around?



B/B


I have been reading recent posts and there seems to be a lot of negativity towards the sites now. I picked Elana's because people used to say it was a trusted site. Am I going about this all wrong?
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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 05:47:26 AM »
An economist is someone who has a degree that she can not do with thing with. Nobody has this type of job in the Ukraine. The one economist I tried to date sold makeup wholesale to stores on a commission basis. I think about one third of the Collage grad women in the Ukraine called themselves an economist. It seems to be a catch all phase that does not say anything about what the girl really does. 

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 06:10:44 AM »
I was on Elena's Models last year and have no complaints. I thought it was overall pretty decent with lots of real women there. In the end, it'll be what you make of it.

As with gift horses, the same would be advisable with an FSU lady - at least not for the purposes of a dental health inspection!


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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2016, 06:42:17 AM »
Check her teeth? Is there a horse joke in there I am missing?   tiphat

That's exactly it.  Personally I thought Cobaka was being engaging in some "geek" humor, but Andrew evidently thought it was serious, thus his response about checking teeth.  Check her flanks while you're at it.  :chuckle:

I have been reading recent posts and there seems to be a lot of negativity towards the sites now. I picked Elana's because people used to say it was a trusted site. Am I going about this all wrong?

Bear in mind that what follows is my own, parochial view.  I could be way wrong.

The business used to be very diverse with some big players (AFA, Anastasia, European Connections).  There were also some secondary players that were more specialized, IMO, including Elena's which had a good rep.  If memory serves there was a change in ownership, and the rep slid for a while.  No idea if it has recovered or not, as I don't use agencies, really.

At this point, the local agencies are on their last legs, unless they are aligned with the Last Agency Standing, which seems to be Anastasia.  European Connections seems to have vanished and AFA, while still present, seems to not be as big, but that is only my general impression.  Other folks are closer to the industry than I. 

The business seems to have moved out of Russia and into Ukraine, and out to the 'stans, but Ukraine is the most westward-looking of the remaining markets and easiest for westerners to travel to.

Basically, if you're a "normal" you have a shot, but best to get the girl(s) away from the agency and establish direct communication, ASAP, in my rather jaundiced view.

Anyway, best of luck.

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2016, 07:51:49 AM »
The agencies would be in Ukraine only and not the stans. 

There are very few ethnic Russians left in C Asia.  And now with Karimov sick the future is uncertain and the few remaining ethnic Russians will probably leave for Russia. 

And most Muslim women are not open to the idea of dating / having sex / marrying a foreigner. 

You look at any western facing site, for example Steve's, and you will see VERY FEW profiles from Central Asia. 

Even on the larger local sites, there are very few profiles.  It is a patriarchal society where there are still many arranged marriages.  I dated a woman that had come out of one of these marriages, so I am familiar with this firsthand. 

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2016, 08:01:53 AM »
Serious or not, the idea of testing a person seems rather childish;however if testing is what one deems appropriate then checking their teeth to ensure that immediate running costs will not be too high seems rather more appropriate than testing a candidate's knowledge of the schools of economic thought.

Texas, it is rather unlikely that Ukrainian businesses do not have bookkeepers and financial controllers. If they do then they'll be called economists.

On the other hand... ... Ukraine.  :'(

The thing is that in this paradigm the people with this job title or role will not,  in most cases, have a training in economics but in bookkeeping and accountancy. That's why many women have this title and training in this region.

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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 09:59:21 AM »
Payroll, Bookkeeping or something possibly more in line with budgets if working for the government.
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Re: What exactly is an Economist?
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 12:25:48 PM »
I have heard this job description many times.  Usually it means that the woman works as an accounting clerk (Accounts Payable / Receivable or planning).  In the past i have asked Accounting 101 questions to ascertain whether the person has any real accountancy knowledge - e.g. How is the Balance Sheet related to the Profit and Loss Statemen?.

95% of the time that simple question is not understood and unanswered...

Senior people will call themselves "managers" or "directors"