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This article is a real Gem!
« on: August 26, 2016, 02:38:43 AM »
John Pilger Lambasts the Media For Lies, Lies, Lies About Syria and Other Wars

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/provoking-nuclear-war-media/ri16119
Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2016, 10:31:27 AM »
John Pilger Lambasts the Media For Lies, Lies, Lies About Syria and Other Wars

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/provoking-nuclear-war-media/ri16119

That is a good article.  :coffeeread:
Gordon Gekko: "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2016, 10:46:13 AM »
John Pilger Lambasts the Media For Lies, Lies, Lies About Syria and Other Wars

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/provoking-nuclear-war-media/ri16119

That is a good article.  :coffeeread:

No, is made up propaganda!
Can't you see?

Kremlin pays Pilger these days!
He will have a show on RT any day now.  :hidechair:

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2016, 03:03:17 PM »
Manny say, 'A good article''..

It is a masterpiece of stupidity or wilful deviation / exclusion of pertinent facts which make Mr Piliger seem like someone's sock puppet.

1/ What was 'illegal' about NATO - after many warnings - remember it was Milosovic 'socialist paragon' of a 'government' that over saw the Yugoslav army war crimes in Croatia and Bosnia...  ?

2/ Milosovic sent in the 'rump' Yugoslav army to sort out an uprising in Kosovo - using unreasonable force and actions.  Serbs have a 'thing' about Kosovo and it blinded the average Serb to Milosovic' disproportionate actions...actions that Yeltsin ( and Putin ) were putting down ( twice) mercilessly in Chechn'ya.... (too inconvenient  - sorry I need to remind folks of Russia-Insider style howlers of deflection )

3/ MH-17  Mr Pilger..where you paying attention in the days before the Malaysian airliner was struck from the skies.... I suppose the 'fairies' struck two UA aircraft from the skies on the 14/ 16th July....?  Perhaps you missed the fact that most Russian media - including Kremlin run / controlled by cronies - reporting the rebels had struck down 'another AN-26? '...which turned out to be MH-17....


4/ Syria ..a mess that could have been 'sorted' by creating a no-fly zone - blocked by the Kremlin and China who sought to keep an unelected Dictator in power..  I note RI nor Pilger are silent when Russian warplanes hit schools / hospitals...

The Kremlin are far more concerned about keeping Assad in power and their bases intact than Syrian people, Mr Pilger,

The irony of Manny praising an article that praises Corbyn's unforgivable weakness isn't lost on me :)))







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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2016, 04:41:59 PM »
Slobodan Milosevic has been found not guilty (post mortem) of the charges against him. That decision raises several interesting questions about what actually happened and the 'truths' we were told about the killings of civilians carried out by NATO forces under direction of their political masters.

However, I think that you already know about this and are just choosing to relieve the ennui that is your life but trolling... ...again.

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2016, 06:32:07 PM »
John Pilger Lambasts the Media For Lies, Lies, Lies About Syria and Other Wars

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/provoking-nuclear-war-media/ri16119

That is a good article.  :coffeeread:

No, is made up propaganda!
Can't you see?

Kremlin pays Pilger these days!
He will have a show on RT any day now.  :hidechair:

If he does, he can invite me on as a guest.  :whist11:
Gordon Gekko: "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2016, 06:34:17 PM »
the Kremlin and China who sought to keep an unelected Dictator in power..

Pray tell, O wise one, who is this unelected dictator?
Gordon Gekko: "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 07:31:26 PM »

2/ Milosovic sent in the 'rump' Yugoslav army to sort out an uprising in Kosovo - using unreasonable force and actions.  Serbs have a 'thing' about Kosovo and it blinded the average Serb to Milosovic' disproportionate actions...actions that Yeltsin ( and Putin ) were putting down ( twice) mercilessly in Chechn'ya.... (too inconvenient  - sorry I need to remind folks of Russia-Insider style howlers of deflection )


Even biased western media outlets are acknowledging that "the butcher of the Balkans," insomuch as it relates to Milosevic, is a gross distortion of the truth.

The International Criminal Tribunal even noted that Milosevic “openly criticised Bosnian Serb leaders … (for) committing ‘crimes against humanity’ and ‘ethnic cleansing.’”  Sounds like he was a pioneer in this respect...

“The idea that he started (the war) is completely false,” says James Bissett, who served as Canada’s ambassador to Yugoslavia in the early 1990s and testified on Milosevic’s behalf. “I don’t think he was guilty of wanting a ‘Greater Serbia’ or genocide.”

Will those who vilified Milosevic admit they were wrong? Not likely.

As Bissett puts it: “Even in the early days, it was apparent that most of the media reporting about the cause and course of the Yugoslav fighting was biased. In effect, the Serbs were branded as the bad guys, and any news developments were interpreted on that basis.”

It seems that when governments need a bad guy to justify questionable actions, propaganda supersedes the truth.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sibley-shedding-new-light-on-slobodan-milosevic

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 10:20:58 AM »
the Kremlin and China who sought to keep an unelected Dictator in power..

Pray tell, O wise one, who is this unelected dictator?

You bit !

Try to suggest the 'presidential elections of 2014' were fair and representative and I'll remind you what the SG of the UN told us..


When this all kicked off - was Assad 'elected'  ?


Thanks - for demonstrating your knowledge of Syria ..

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Re: This article is a real Gem!
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2016, 10:58:02 AM »


Even biased western media outlets are acknowledging that "the butcher of the Balkans," insomuch as it relates to Milosevic, is a gross distortion of the truth.



The International Criminal Tribunal even noted that Milosevic “openly criticised Bosnian Serb leaders … (for) committing ‘crimes against humanity’ and ‘ethnic cleansing.’”  Sounds like he was a pioneer in this respect...

Ple-ease

You can't have seen / been too placed where his army - under his orders - had overseen the massacre of civilians - read up on the siege of Vukovar - in modern day Croatia ..Miosovic had a history of brutal oppression and sheltering those who were directly responsible..

These are not my words - but those of the ICJ - who found ''Milošević and others in Serbia had committed a breach of the Genocide Convention by failing to prevent the genocide from occurring and for not cooperating with the ICTY in punishing the perpetrators of the genocide, in particular General Ratko Mladić, and for violating its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court''


“The idea that he started (the war) is completely false,” says James Bissett, who served as Canada’s ambassador to Yugoslavia in the early 1990s and testified on Milosevic’s behalf. “I don’t think he was guilty of wanting a ‘Greater Serbia’ or genocide.”

Who accused him of starting it ? The KLA were no angels - attacking Yugoslav authority - but it was Miolosovic' ordering in of the army and their actions which brought in NATO - bearing in mind that army's previous 'record' of observance of Geneva Conventions...NOT

Will those who vilified Milosevic admit they were wrong? Not likely.

As you now should realise - Milosovic was no 'angel' and could have prevented much of the slaughter - but chose not to and even hid those who directly perpetrated acts of genocide.


As Bissett puts it: “Even in the early days, it was apparent that most of the media reporting about the cause and course of the Yugoslav fighting was biased. In effect, the Serbs were branded as the bad guys, and any news developments were interpreted on that basis.”

The leadership of the Serbs - trying to hold together an un-natural state - were MOSTLY to blame... I always wonder how the Kremlin defend the 'right of self-determination' yet criminalise it within AND yet bemoan the fall of Yugoslavia ?

It seems that when governments need a bad guy to justify questionable actions, propaganda supersedes the truth.

How true.. that applies in Chechn'ya and in Ukraine, too