Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics

[AvHdB]

A couple times is less than 5 .  Far as I have read there were 2 times.

I note four incidents the press mentions five. The issue is the FINA does not allow us to enter that part of there web site.

But the reality one is too many.

[andrewfi]

One can moan and complain about the standards set by the IOC but the reality is this: the standards are set by the IOC; the USA, along with other countries, have team members that have in the past used performance enhancing drugs and, absolutely certainly, there are current athletes competing right now who are enjoying the benefits of drug use.

There's no benefit in moaning about any athlete who is competing in accordance with the current rules and regulations. Moan about the rules that allow them to be there but when doing so moan too about the lack of adherence to the rules that means that a large number of athletes who have never been found guilty of rule breaking are not competing.

There's a huge degree of hypocricy floating around at the moment empowered by an equal lack of knowledge.

[AvHdB]

American athletes have also been prevented from competing in Rio because of PED's.

The bigger issue is do you ignore the problem?

Where do you start to clean up the problem?

My answers and thoughts so we are not dealing in grey areas: Is no & one has throw out the garbage so start with the biggest pile.

The problem with the stance of Andrew is it gives a fair amount of wiggle room. This leads to the hypocrisy we are reading.

[shakespear]

The bigger issue is do you ignore the problem?

Where do you start to clean up the problem?

Exactly.

There are only two possible solutions:

1:  Strictly enforce prohibitions and punishments for use of performance enhancing drugs

2:  Remove all prohibitions and punishments and let the competitions be decided between their doped up athletes and ours. 

With the new emphasis on performance vs fair play (fueled by television revenue dollars) it wouldn't surprise if we started moving toward the later choice.  Regrettable.  People need to remember what sports are about in the first place.     

[AvHdB]

It might take some time (a day or so) but there was an interesting post a while back from Wiz regarding PED's. It seems the reality as Andrew to a degree has hinted at is far more complex.

Yes the drugs are PED's and they are in fact almost 50 years old. But the sporting application is recent.

[Tom Cat]

When it's all said and done, there's only a few athletes capable of competing at the highest level. We see supposedly clean athletes winning against those that are accused of doping, so my question is, does doping really give an athlete that much of an advantage?

Forgive Them, Yelena Isinbayeva. They Don't Know What They Do

The best of the best who never tested positive for anything herself

http://russia-insider.com/en/forgive-them-yelena-isinbayeva-they-dont-know-what-they-do/ri16008

[yankee]

Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.

Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.

She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.

She shouldn't even be in Rio. 

She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.

shakespear

Did you ever consider the fact that her trainer is American (thats USAian for andy), and she trained in the US?

[Tom Cat]

Far those that enjoy, a combination of athleticism, and beauty.
Instaweek: 6 Russian "sports beauties" in Rio

Who to follow if you’re a fan of sport and Russian beauty?

http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2016/08/12/instaweek-beautiful-russian-sport-stars_620503

[Tom Cat]

The witch hunt continues.

Lone Russian athletics competitor suspended from Rio Games

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/13/sport/rio-olympics-russian-athlete-suspended/

[Tom Cat]

Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/guilty-until-proven-guilty/ri16032

[shakespear]

Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty

The country has been proven guilty of state sponsored cheating by submitting false drug tests for athletes.  The guilt was uniformly spread among all their Olympic sports governing bodies.

How do you expect cheaters to be received?

[Tom Cat]

Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty

How do you expect cheaters to be received?

Well in the United states they make cheaters the democratic nominee for president.

[Tom Cat]

Another instance of just blame Putin.
Olympic boxer accuses Putin, flips off judges after loss to Russian

http://nypost.com/2016/08/16/olympic-boxer-accuses-putin-flips-off-judges-after-loss-to-russian/

[andrewfi]

That's the Olympian ideals for you. We'll done Ireland, be proud of what you have done, what you have made.

[Jerash]

It sounds like the frustration may be born out of a very serious lack of confidence in the transparency of Olympic boxing.

As it turns out I have a very real concern about the transparency of the Olympics. Since I was a child, this is the first Olympics where I honestly don't care and have not been following. From doping, to corruption, to impoverishment, and the general business over sport approach that now governs sport, I lost my appetite and interest.

It's about the money 100% now. Dope to win because the money is in winning. Sport isn't business, but the Olympics is all business and no sport.


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[andrewfi]

Quite a few commentators have been noting that the current politicisation of the Olympics led by the United States spells the end of the event in its current form. That seems to be a reasonable analysis of the situation.

It is clear that the IOC have divided the intent and are pushing back but whatever the IOC does at this time may well be too little and too late. A sign that matters may be outside of the IOC's power is the reaction of, mainly, English speaking athletes to the succeses of Russian athletes. Their intemperate behaviour suggests that the Olympian ideals are no longer extant among athletes in the English speaking world. These athletes,  such as the Irish boxer, are no longer part of the Olympic movement.

[Tom Cat]

Russia finishes 4th in standings at Rio Olympics

The Russian team ends the Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro ranking fourth in the unofficial team standings, winning 56 medals - 19 gold, 18 silver and 19 bronze

http://rbth.com/news/2016/08/22/russia-finishes-4th-in-standings-at-rio-olympics_622971

[Tom Cat]

Yelena Isinbayeva to fight for athletes' rights within the IOC

Russia’s 34-year-old pole vaulter and two-time Olympic champion Yelena Isinbayeva has been elected to the IOC Athletes' Commission and says she will strive to give athletes a greater voice in dialogue with the IOC

http://rbth.com/sport/2016/08/22/yelena-isinbayeva-to-fight-for-athletes-rights-within-the-ioc_623075

[shakespear]

I have to say I was really impressed with the team performance of Great Britain in the 2016 Olympics.  Winning more medals than when you hosted in the previous games is a feat that is rarely accomplished. 

Well done you Pommie bast*rds    

[Chris]

I have to say I was really impressed with the team performance of Great Britain in the 2016 Olympics.  Winning more medals than when you hosted in the previous games is a feat that is rarely accomplished. 

Well done you Pommie bast*rds   

I think it is the first time it has actually been done. Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.

[shakespear]

Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.

Sorry not true.  The USA competed in 27 different sports, winning medals in 20.

[Chris]

Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.

Sorry not true.  The USA competed in 27 different sports, winning medals in 20.

I read somewhere, can't find it now though, GB won in 15 different sports and the US in only 10, but who knows, I might be dreaming it





EDIT this wasn't what I was looking for, but it states here we won them accross 19 different sports  http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/sport-olympics/rio-2016-final-medal-table-team-gb-finish-second-with-27-olympic-golds-a3325951.html   so who knows?

[andrewfi]

You might have been dreaming Chris. CLICK HERE!

[Chris]

You might have been dreaming Chris. CLICK HERE!

So if my link above is correct, we were only one sport behind the US - 19 GB and 20 USA

[andrewfi]

The British results were amazing considering the size of the relative populations (which I am sure has some effect otherwise Estonia would've been up there with the leaders).