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Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« on: August 08, 2016, 07:44:40 PM »
As a former collegiate competitive swimmer myself, It was great to see the Russian Men's 4 x 100 relay team miss the medal podium in the swimming event last night. #3 man Morozov who turned in the 6th fasted split in the event, was a two-time drug testing failure that was allowed into the games on a last minute appeal. If there is any justice in the world Yuliya Efimova, a FIVE TIME drug test failure will be denied a medal in the 100 Breaststroke for the same reason.
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2016, 08:14:47 PM »
Those who have been Proven "beyond" doubt of taking any banned substances should IMHO be excluded from ANY recognised competitive event for life..

Those who have been tested and declared "clean", should be allowed to compete anywhere in the world in competitive events.

Anything other than this is purely political... Unfair... and tar-brushing..

Testing for banned substances should be widened and intensified in all countries and I'm certain that many more people will be caught..

I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...

The problem is that the US are applying pressure on WADA (who I personally don't trust), and the IOC amongst others, I also think that Seb Coe should be dismissed from his post with immediate effect, he's a gangster....

Just my opinion...


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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2016, 09:06:15 PM »
Ankles getting wet again for some.

How does King Canute feel about Justin Gatlin?

How does the King feel about the many athletes who have never tested positive for any substance who will not be able to compete? Does he feel equally strongly that they have been wronged? Surely he does?

Whilst one is happy to see those guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs banned one is much less happy to see a choice to have a much less than level playing field.

It is worth remembering that Russia has only a very small margin of failed drug tests over, for example, the US team, notwithstanding a much heavier burden of testing.

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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2016, 09:13:39 PM »
I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...

He cheated, and was stripped of all his titles and is now in disgrace.  It was the right thing to do.

Same with Marion Jones. 

I don't like cheaters, regardless of nationality.   
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2016, 09:29:15 PM »
How does King Canute feel about Justin Gatlin?

I think Gatlin should be banned from the 2016 Olympics and will not be rooting for him to medal at all. 

How does the King feel about the many athletes who have never tested positive for any substance who will not be able to compete? Does he feel equally strongly that they have been wronged? Surely he does?

Whilst one is happy to see those guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs banned one is much less happy to see a choice to have a much less than level playing field.

It is worth remembering that Russia has only a very small margin of failed drug tests over, for example, the US team, notwithstanding a much heavier burden of testing.

The entire state-sponsored Russian athletic program has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to sanction an organized cover-up of performance enhancing drug use.  Period. 

557 "lost" positive drug tests thrown out for this Olympics is bullshit. 
 http://www.bbc.com/sport/36823453

I personally think that any athlete that fails more than one drug test IN THEIR LIFE should be banned from international sport.   
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2016, 10:45:25 PM »
Those who have been Proven "beyond" doubt of taking any banned substances should IMHO be excluded from ANY recognised competitive event for life..

Those who have been tested and declared "clean", should be allowed to compete anywhere in the world in competitive events.

Anything other than this is purely political... Unfair... and tar-brushing..

Testing for banned substances should be widened and intensified in all countries and I'm certain that many more people will be caught..

I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...

The problem is that the US are applying pressure on WADA (who I personally don't trust), and the IOC amongst others, I also think that Seb Coe should be dismissed from his post with immediate effect, he's a gangster....

Just my opinion...

Totally agree with your opinion.... and I would suggest to the American's to take a look at their own house before pointing their finger to Russia or any other country

American sportspeople in doping cases

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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2016, 03:10:12 AM »
A different group of Russian athletes might be banned from Rio. Personally I can understand the prestige of Olympic Gold, but I don't see why Paralympics athletes would have to be involved in doping?  Anyone who can overcome a handicap to complete in a world-class competition is already a winner!

Russia banned from Paralympics: What, when, why?

http://rbth.com/sport/2016/08/08/russia-banned-from-paralympics-what-when-why_619235
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2016, 04:09:14 AM »
There is justice in the world.

The 5 time drug-test failing Russian got beat.
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2016, 09:49:53 AM »
Yuri v. Gelder from the Dutch team got sent home by TeamNL management.

Apparently, he did a different kind of drugs... The Alcohol kind  :ROFL:

He has to be incredibly stupid. He beat a cocaine-addiction, got back in his game. Worked his way up to the olympics. Made it to the finals, and then started to celebrate before his last contest !!!!
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2016, 11:05:19 AM »
The Paralympics issue will possibly go to court. The Mclaren/WADA fiction carries no evidence against any athlete and not even against the Russian testing system, there's just unsubstantiated stories from people who are already known to have been involved in criminal activity and have fled Russia to evade the consequences of their criminality.

My guess is that somebody's lawyers will talk to somebody, the IOC will talk to somebody and there'll be a walking back, saving embarrassing and costly court action, especially so given that Mclaren and WADA are busy walking back the claims upon which the Paralympics management made their choices.

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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2016, 02:22:56 PM »
I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...

He cheated, and was stripped of all his titles and is now in disgrace.  It was the right thing to do.

Same with Marion Jones. 

I don't like cheaters, regardless of nationality.

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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2016, 10:58:47 PM »
The Paralympics issue will possibly go to court. The Mclaren/WADA fiction carries no evidence against any athlete and not even against the Russian testing system, there's just unsubstantiated stories from people who are already known to have been involved in criminal activity and have fled Russia to evade the consequences of their criminality.

My guess is that somebody's lawyers will talk to somebody, the IOC will talk to somebody and there'll be a walking back, saving embarrassing and costly court action, especially so given that Mclaren and WADA are busy walking back the claims upon which the Paralympics management made their choices.

Agree Andrew.  Mclaren and WADA will not survive a morning of cross examination in court.    If this "evidence" is exposed to public scrutiny the whole exercise will be exposed for what it has always been...

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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2016, 11:34:33 PM »
One the subject of Armstrong. Makes me laugh every time...
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2016, 12:51:43 AM »
TV media really paints the Russian athletes, as cheaters. I just don't agree with how this was handled. Look at the millions of men through out the world that use performance enhancing drugs, just so they can have sex. Isn't that cheating as well? Regardless of drugs or not, it's shameful how the Russian athletes have been received in Rio.
Brazil should be embarrassed!
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Re: Russian Cheating in The 2016 Olympics
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2016, 01:02:56 AM »
TV media really paints the Russian athletes, as cheaters. I just don't agree with how this was handled. Look at the millions of men through out the world that use performance enhancing drugs, just so they can have sex. Isn't that cheating as well? Regardless of drugs or not, it's shameful how the Russian athletes have been received in Rio.
Brazil should be embarrassed!

Don't forget the American (or should I say USAians?) swimmers.
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