Project Fear

[leslied]

Today was one of those rare occasions when the elite did not fool the people.

Take the Stock Market and Sterling catastrophe 

On Monday 20th June  the FTSE100 index opened at 6127  Today it closed at 6138  Up about 0.2% on the week.
I reckon the index will rise 1 or 2 % tomorrow, so the FTSE will actually end the week in POSITIVE territory

The same with Sterling on 17th June GBP/USD was 1.42.  Today it closed at 1.37 - roughly 3% down.

As I write the DOW is off 3%  No big deal.  It falls more than that on some Yellen announcements...

The data are from Reuters. 

Of course the FTSE and GBP/USD was pushed up DELIBERATELY by market trade. So they could clean up on the bets placed on the futures market.  Traders make money from volatility. 

So Financial Catastrophe    Just the city boys making money 

Some sheeple (like Moby) still believe in the Financial Meltdown Prophicies. 

Sensible people think of "chicken little"  running around screaming the sky is falling 

[Gipsy]

Today was one of those rare occasions when the elite did not fool the people.

Take the Stock Market and Sterling catastrophe 

On Monday 20th June  the FTSE100 index opened at 6127  Today it closed at 6138  Up about 0.2% on the week.
I reckon the index will rise 1 or 2 % tomorrow, so the FTSE will actually end the week in POSITIVE territory

The same with Sterling on 17th June GBP/USD was 1.42.  Today it closed at 1.37 - roughly 3% down.

As I write the DOW is off 3%  No big deal.  It falls more than that on some Yellen announcements...

The data are from Reuters. 

Of course the FTSE and GBP/USD was pushed up DELIBERATELY by market trade. So they could clean up on the bets placed on the futures market.  Traders make money from volatility. 

So Financial Catastrophe    Just the city boys making money 

Some sheeple (like Moby) still believe in the Financial Meltdown Prophicies. 

Sensible people think of "chicken little"  running around screaming the sky is falling 

Absolutely correct...

Actually, there is little difference in the markets and the £ over the weeks trading... as we say, +/- = 0

[B.B.]

My 3xShort positions were both up 17% today.  One can either titter with one's beret-wearing, chain-smoking European film critic friends about the Proles not voting "the right way" or one can roll with the punches.

[Manny]

Sensible people think of "chicken little"  running around screaming the sky is falling 

Exactly the analogy I used today when discussing it with my wife. The dollar closed today a tad less than we have seen of late. We worked out our next payment, 2500 items cost us £200 more in tooling and tad extra in shipping. But we make £10 each on them net. So we wipe our mouth for 20-40 items from 2500. Who cares? 

[AvHdB]

As I write the DOW is off 3%  No big deal.  It falls more than that on some Yellen announcements...

I looked today the DOW fell some 611 +/- points, that is big. If one looks at a week being Monday > Friday I think it is down some 1.6% over this week. If Yellen farts the chance is it might go up or down even more over a week.

[Gipsy]

It is amazing, that, after the politicians were banging on about the loss of trade with the EU, and the US, The US, Canada, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Holland and ze Germans, have ALL stated categorically, that they are the UK's best friends/Trading partners, and nothing will change that relationship..

They are apparently already in contact with the UK government trying to arrange meetings a.s.a.p. to make agreements which will support/improve said relationships...

PROJECT FEAR was just a load of bullshit, and utter bollox..

[Gipsy]

Sensible people think of "chicken little"  running around screaming the sky is falling 

Exactly the analogy I used today when discussing it with my wife. The dollar closed today a tad less than we have seen of late. We worked out our next payment, 2500 items cost us £200 more in tooling and tad extra in shipping. But we make £10 each on them net. So we wipe our mouth for 20-40 items from 2500. Who cares? 

Give it a week or so for the dust to settle, and you may see financial improvements which may benefit you with minimising any potential losses...

[msmoby]

Democracy isnt convenient for Moby. 

At least he will not be able to sneak ANOTHER woman in for £0 under the radar using EU rules now.

What clowns Moby and his cross-dressing, rainbow-hued mates are. 

Oh dear,

Moby and [ soon ] 600 k plus voters  are asking for a 2nd referendum and a pause to Brexit - using Democracy

Thought I'd use RT for a change

https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

[yankee]

Sensible people think of "chicken little"  running around screaming the sky is falling 

Exactly the analogy I used today when discussing it with my wife. The dollar closed today a tad less than we have seen of late. We worked out our next payment, 2500 items cost us £200 more in tooling and tad extra in shipping. But we make £10 each on them net. So we wipe our mouth for 20-40 items from 2500. Who cares? 

Give it a week or so for the dust to settle, and you may see financial improvements which may benefit you with minimising any potential losses...

My net worth grew by 1% this week.  not hurt at all.

[Manny]

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

And if we voted to leave by 62%, you would have another one asking for a 70% minimum. 

Here is a better petition for you Moby: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/123324

[sparky114]

Yay for the separatists   

[Gipsy]

Democracy isnt convenient for Moby. 

At least he will not be able to sneak ANOTHER woman in for £0 under the radar using EU rules now.

What clowns Moby and his cross-dressing, rainbow-hued mates are. 

Oh dear,

Moby and [ soon ] 600 k plus voters  are asking for a 2nd referendum and a pause to Brexit - using Democracy

Thought I'd use RT for a change

https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

How can that be classed as Democracy??
We have already had a DEMOCRATIC result from the vote, job done, get over it, live with it...
  ing sore losers you all are..

[Bruce Lee]

using Democracy

Democracy was used, you lost

It doesn't stop being democracy when it doesn't go your way - lefties the country over took a kicking, wipe away the tears and get over it!!!

There's a good lad

[Gipsy]

Democracy isnt convenient for Moby. 

At least he will not be able to sneak ANOTHER woman in for £0 under the radar using EU rules now.

What clowns Moby and his cross-dressing, rainbow-hued mates are. 

Oh dear,

Moby and [ soon ] 600 k plus voters  are asking for a 2nd referendum and a pause to Brexit - using Democracy

Thought I'd use RT for a change

https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

[leslied]

Moby and [ soon ] 600 k plus voters  are asking for a 2nd referendum and a pause to Brexit - using Democracy

Thought I'd use RT for a change

https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Ask Away.  Britain is a free country.  If you get enough signatures (and you will) it will be raised in parliament.  Where it will be immediately voted down.  Same with Sturgeon's new referendum proposal.  The government needs to support these proposals for them to have any chance of succeeding.  Boris is not as daft as Dave.  He will not entertain ANY new referendum proposal until after 2020.

The political elite in Eire held repeated referenda until they got the result they wanted.  The UK is not Eire.

The political elite are running scared now. 

The Islington "champagne socialists" are history because they ceased to represent the views of the people who elect them.  The working class in the north and midlands voted decisively for Brexit.

The Tory "toffs" who tried to banish Brexit supporting members (A.K.A "the Turnip Taliban") will find themselves deselected. Starting, I hope with the MP for my old constituency - George Osborne.

[Wiz]

Democracy isnt convenient for Moby. 

At least he will not be able to sneak ANOTHER woman in for £0 under the radar using EU rules now. What clowns Moby and his cross-dressing, rainbow-hued mates are. 

Oh dear,

Moby and [ soon ] 600 k plus voters  are asking for a 2nd referendum and a pause to Brexit - using Democracy

Thought I'd use RT for a change

https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

You didn't think this through but Democracy won for the Great British Public.

The Exit campaign achieved the largest mandate in history and won by over one and a half million votes,
 … compare that to the 1961 and 2001 USA elections.

Typical losers can’t accept that despite the threats, fear, intimidation, and right wing millionaires - on A-lists, they lost!

Second referendum is not going to happen, London independence is not going to happen and Scottish referendum (maybe) is only going to be debated in parliament because of a petition and will be refused.

Nicola Sturgeon declares "Independent Scotland" because they LOST and don't like it?

The ballot paper said "Should the U.K. leave ...", and Scotland is part of the U.K.

Every vote counted in Scotland and there were “1,018,322 leave votes” in Scotland.

Scotland Democratically elected to "STAY In the UK", and the UK Democratically elected to leave the EU.  Which part of Democratic process Nicola Sturgeon and people like you Moby don’t understand?

Let’s get that article 50 in to the EU politburo very soon and get out off this sinking ship of EUSSR.

[msmoby]

Typical losers can’t accept that despite the threats, fear, intimidation, and right wing millionaires - on A-lists, they lost!

Wiz,

I know accracy isn't your strong point, but I suggest you READ when the petition was posted.... 24th May ...it was a general requirement - irrespective of the result ...

Second referendum is not going to happen, London independence is not going to happen and Scottish referendum (maybe) is only going to be debated in parliament because of a petition and will be refused.

Wiz,

the vote isn't going to make Britain 'stronger' - UK PLC lost more on Friday that what we send to Brussel in a year...

Scotland leaving ... will bring about the 'little england' most brexiters wanted  ...

N.Ireland will one day vote to be 'united' - purely based on population demographics ... but prob not in our lifetimes..

Nicola Sturgeon declares "Independent Scotland" because they LOST and don't like it?

Wiz, Scotland voted to REMAIN ... by a greater margin that England or Wales voted to leave, so of course Scots aren't happy to 'leave' the EU...

The ballot paper said "Should the U.K. leave ...", and Scotland is part of the U.K.

..and the result means that the Scots and some folk from N.Ireland now question remaining in the dis-united Kingdom ... as the result does not represent their viewpoint.

Let’s get that article 50 in to the EU politburo very soon and get out off this sinking ship of EUSSR.

The young people of these islands are the future and they voted to remain ... so I hope the old farts who voted out are delayed at every turn ..

[Wiz]

Moby

Gipsy was right when he told me NOT to waste my time replying to you and your inane comments after I posted all my answers..... to your questions on this Post:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25320.msg444293.html#msg444293

On the same thread I also posted later the article 50 of the Lisbon treaty so you can read it!

Else were I made the comment that the UK will be better off if Northern Ireland was United with the South instead of pandering to few  people with arteriosclerosis who refute their inheritance and prefer to remain part of the (past) British Empire.

As usual double faced "YOU".... applied for your Irish Passport! That is your patriotism for your  Northern Irish routes!

Now go back to my post, (link above) read carefully what I have posted.... and stop Trolling again.

SNP leader got a lot of sympathy in Brussels from the German Fascist Sult.... and without the permission of the Westminster Parliament..... the Scotts can do.... nothing!. They had already in 2014 "a bite on the cherry" to separate from the UK .... but then realised it's better to be united instead of becoming a small 5th rate nation joining the EU and EZ..... and becoming like Greece, so they choose to stay in the Union.! The EX SNP Leader is making a nice packet.... on his appearances on TV.

I wasted enough time educating a daft person..... so go find another victim, closer to home,  to play with your Too TOO and stop Trolling!

Nastarovya

 

[rosco]

To be fair Wiz, I personally believe that the difference between the leave/remain vote in Scotland isn't sufficient to claim that Scotland wants to remain in the EU and its unfair of the SNP to be shouting that message right now. Democratically however, Scotland voted to remain and England/Wales voted leave - even if it was 1.6 million to 1 million in a country of 5 million.

The problem you have when you say "Scotland Democratically elected to "STAY In the UK", and the UK Democratically elected to leave the EU" - Is that the goal posts moved. Scotland voted to stay in the UK whilst part of the EU and Scotland democratically wants to remain in the EU. An independence referendum tomorrow would probably see Scotland leave the UK.

I voted for an independent Scotland and then voted to leave the EU, like others up here. I wouldn't however now vote for an Independent Scotland but not all would agree with me.
 

[Gipsy]

To be fair Wiz, I personally believe that the difference between the leave/remain vote in Scotland isn't sufficient to claim that Scotland wants to remain in the EU and its unfair of the SNP to be shouting that message right now. Democratically however, Scotland voted to remain and England/Wales voted leave - even if it was 1.6 million to 1 million in a country of 5 million.

The problem you have when you say "Scotland Democratically elected to "STAY In the UK", and the UK Democratically elected to leave the EU" - Is that the goal posts moved. Scotland voted to stay in the UK whilst part of the EU and Scotland democratically wants to remain in the EU. An independence referendum tomorrow would probably see Scotland leave the UK.

I voted for an independent Scotland and then voted to leave the EU, like others up here. I wouldn't however now vote for an Independent Scotland but not all would agree with me.
 

Only 50% of the population even bothered to get off their arses and vote, what would have been the outcome if they had??

If Scotland ever votes for Independence it will be catastrophic for the scots....

[Markje]

The young people of these islands are the future and they voted to remain ... so I hope the old farts who voted out are delayed at every turn ..

You mean that the young couldn't be bothered to get off their arse and vote!

Not a stellar endorsement for remain is it.

[Wiz]

To be fair Wiz, I personally believe that the difference between the leave/remain vote in Scotland isn't sufficient to claim that Scotland wants to remain in the EU and its unfair of the SNP to be shouting that message right now. Democratically however, Scotland voted to remain and England/Wales voted leave - even if it was 1.6 million to 1 million in a country of 5 million.

The problem you have when you say "Scotland Democratically elected to "STAY In the UK", and the UK Democratically elected to leave the EU" - Is that the goal posts moved. Scotland voted to stay in the UK whilst part of the EU and Scotland democratically wants to remain in the EU. An independence referendum tomorrow would probably see Scotland leave the UK.

I voted for an independent Scotland and then voted to leave the EU, like others up here. I wouldn't however now vote for an Independent Scotland but not all would agree with me.

May I remind you of the "The Acts of Union were two Acts of Parliament: the Union with Scotland Act 1706 passed by the Parliament of England, and the Union with England Act passed in 1707 by the Parliament of Scotland."

Today Scotland has a devolved Government and for sure make most important decision for it's people and I don't think, after all these years as a United Nation, the Scots will NOT trust more the EU countries, especially the Germans, than it's old partner in the UNION.

Very soon the instability of the Markets will come normal and the City Gamblers of the Casino will look elsewhere to make money and the economy will normalise and then the unravelling of the EU will start.

Deutsche Bank and Santander fail US stress test and the German Bank has closed down 200 branches in Germany....... Watch this space....... when it will go belly up!

I just read an article and Merkel advised the PM of Italy if he wants to save its banks then they have to make a "Bail-IN!"..... (steal the money of the savers and companies) ........to pay their debts! The ECB i.e the Germans & Goldman Sacks .. will not help anymore........wait and see, after that where the interests of Scotland will be better protected!

[andrewfi]

Rosco, the Scots were not voting for Scotland to leave the EU but for the UK. There were not several referenda, but just one and the wording was clear.

It seems that recent polls suggest that the idea of another independence vote is a career boosting canard that does not have any kind of majority support within Scotland.

The EU have made it clear that Scotland joining the EU without the UK is not on the cards making independence, as a means to remain in the EU, pointless anyway.

What you and, millions of other Britons, are seeing is a concerted effort to rewrite the results of the vote last week. I confess, I simply had not understood the degree to which The Powers That Be wanted the UK to remain and similarly I did not comprehend the degree to which they thought they'd get the result they wanted.

Right now, it seems to me, that the best outcome for folks who were on the 'wrong' side is to sit with hands on knees and wait for their masters to nullify, in one way or another, the result and for those who voted to leave to do all they can to ensure that the outcome of the referendum is carried through.

In short terms, the war to leave the EU has only just been declared but the next battle will be carried out above the heads of voters.

[Markje]

It seems that the Netherlands just signed off our pension funds to the EU, 1.3 Trillion Euro's.

That should make the Eurocrats happy, but the Dutch are becoming increasingly more aware of these backhanded deals and are already asking for Rutte's head now.

[rosco]

To be fair Wiz, I personally believe that the difference between the leave/remain vote in Scotland isn't sufficient to claim that Scotland wants to remain in the EU and its unfair of the SNP to be shouting that message right now. Democratically however, Scotland voted to remain and England/Wales voted leave - even if it was 1.6 million to 1 million in a country of 5 million.

The problem you have when you say "Scotland Democratically elected to "STAY In the UK", and the UK Democratically elected to leave the EU" - Is that the goal posts moved. Scotland voted to stay in the UK whilst part of the EU and Scotland democratically wants to remain in the EU. An independence referendum tomorrow would probably see Scotland leave the UK.

I voted for an independent Scotland and then voted to leave the EU, like others up here. I wouldn't however now vote for an Independent Scotland but not all would agree with me.
 

Only 50% of the population even bothered to get off their arses and vote, what would have been the outcome if they had??

If Scotland ever votes for Independence it will be catastrophic for the scots....

Like Brexit, none of us can say for sure.

In fairness, 33.5 million voted in the EU referendum from 64.1 million folks in the UK - 52% of the population. From that, only 17.4 million voted to leave or 27%.

Yes registered voters etc makes it slightly different but you get my point. I don't think anyone knows if Scotland would be better off or not. The decision would be a political rather than an economic one.