It's that time of year- Eurovision

[msmoby]

Interesting how the Judges panels differed from the public votes

Russia

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=2113&voter=RU

Ukraine

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=2113&voter=UA

[Ste]

Jamala also made and anti-LGBT protest with the line that went something like;

Don't swallow arseholes
Arseholes

[andrewfi]

Dogsoldier it is likely that you do not understand how the voting worked.

There were two sets of votes: a set of national juries who were supposed to be 'experts' in the music field. and then national voting by telephone polling.

According to the national telephone polling the Russian entry was a clear winner. As I recall the Ukrainian telephone poll gave the Russian entry first place.

The national juries on the other hand gave wildly different scoring and it was from these votes that Ukraine 'won'. Russia, the clear and overwhelming winner from the telephone votes received just one win from the national juries.

An acquaintance of mine was present at the even, lawyer by profession, his opinion based upon what he saw was that the jury voting was not based upon merits of songs but was a political vote.

If there is a large discrepancy between the two sets of votes, given that the juries are supposed to be cognisant of music trends and tastes within their own countries then there is a clear sign that there is something wrong. This is kinda like the way that examinations are marked at decent universities. There is dual marketing for a sample of papers. If the marks of the two sets of markers very by more than a small percentage, about 5% iIRC, then the whole groups paper's are remarked. The goal is to ensure consistency and remove any likelihood of cheating.

In this case the clear discrepancy between two groups of voters who should have been expected to reach similar, but not identical, conclusions tells us that there is something wrong.

NB. it should be noted that the Ukraine entry had been challenged for being political before the event. The justification provided by the singer and her handlers was accepted at face value by the organisers. The organisers, quite reasonably, would not have been like to be aware of the singer's history and previous statements that would have, if know to the organisers, have given the lie to the claim that the song was not political and not a reference to current events.

[Steveboy]

If the government persuaded the general public that putting their head in the oven for 20 mins at gas mark 6 was good for your heart, most of the population would do it..

Just like the sympathy vote tactic used by Ukraine..

http://www.dawn.com/news/813886/can-sympathy-swing-votes

As Adolf Hitler once said "Its good that the people do not think"

[Ste]

The public votes must be slanted by displaced nationals, for example Poland were second buttom after the jury votes, and rocketed near the top after the public vote. Maybe this could be ascribed to the amount of Poles working outside Poland in the EU, given that you cannot vote for the country in which you are located.

Also in previous yeah my better halfs mum has pressured her to vote for Russia just as a matter of national pride!

[Steveboy]

Russia should of won this year for sure!

1. Australia ? In the Eurovision ?

2. Ukraine cheated by making the event become politically sensitive using the sympathy vote.

Therefore Russia won 

I read an article about the Eurovision organically growing to become a Global brand.. Fine no problems with that!!

I just hope it doesn't mean were going to see:

1. Pot bellied Sudanese singing for a sympathy vote.

2. One armed Zimbabweans singing for the sympathy vote

3. Starving pensioners from the UK singing for the sympathy vote.

The list goes on..

[andrewfi]

The public votes must be slanted by displaced nationals, for example Poland were second buttom after the jury votes, and rocketed near the top after the public vote. Maybe this could be ascribed to the amount of Poles working outside Poland in the EU, given that you cannot vote for the country in which you are located.

Also in previous yeah my better halfs mum has pressured her to vote for Russia just as a matter of national pride!

No system is perfect but your suggestion would require a merry shit tonne more Russians around Europe than there are in Russia. Same for Ukraine - if all the votes in Ukraine were from Russians longing for home then there must be sufficient homesick Russians, in Ukraine today (?) to overwhelm all the the Ukraine nationals who voted for every other song - that's simply not realistic. Those votes were, on the whole, honestly given by people voting for the song they preferred, albeit that if they could have voted 'Ukrainian' then they certainly would've done.

At the margins odd things happen, but not in the main. That's why the voting was set up as it was. In the past people had complained that national telephone voting was not accurate and was manipulated. As we now see this was probably not the case, the voting went largely as per expectations based upon the merits of the performances. The National Juries on the other hand gave results that contradicted the mass votes, were not consistent with expectations and seem to have been internally inconsistent. I reckon that the organisers got it right in terms of the system of voting and that they system showed up the Juries as not voting based upon merit. Just look at the final ranking for the Russian song and compare it with the voting pattern of the National Juries to understand what I mean about the internal inconsistency. How can we explain that result based upon merit?

The two pools of votes should be expected to be broadly similar because significant differences tend to show that there is something wrong.

[Anteros]

This was all funded by the CIA, Pentagon, Nato and Obama.

Don't forget the Zionist bankers conspiring to make Russia lose.

You guys need to exclude Obama from that list, he's not smart enough and he hates Jews. 

[Czenny]

"Spiegel " wrote that the decision to give the first place was political.

Wie kann der ESC unpolitisch sein?

Ja, die Entscheidung für Jamala ist eine politische.

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/eurovision-song-contest-die-ukraine-und-ihr-trauriges-lied-von-der-krim-a-1092448.html

Pure fact.

[Dogsoldier]

"Spiegel " wrote that the decision to give the first place was political.

Wie kann der ESC unpolitisch sein?

Ja, die Entscheidung für Jamala ist eine politische.

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/eurovision-song-contest-die-ukraine-und-ihr-trauriges-lied-von-der-krim-a-1092448.html

Pure fact.

Pure fantasy.

[msmoby]

I am reading that some folks suggested Russian tv purposely 'altered'the sound of the UA entry to make it sound awful..

That...along with much I've read here is nonsense.

I supplied the links to check the voting

I am a fan of this competition and can clearly see who actually watched it...or who is making stuff up about how UA's entry made it.


I mean it  is called 1944 and the Supreme Soviet apologised for the Crimean Tatars treatment...

[Markje]

Careful you are going to stir up a hornets nest of trolls...

Did you listen to the top-5 ? Do you think Ukraine deserves to win this musical contest?

Yes.

You obviously didn't listen to Australia, in musical terms it was so much better it wasn't even in the same galaxy.

[Markje]

let me put em both up for you in clickable, easy access links:

Ukraine ,                                                                                                    australia:

[Dogsoldier]

Australia was good, the singer had good technique and delivered a good performance. Ukraine had emotion, thats why she won.

[Markje]

Australia was good, the singer had good technique and delivered a good performance. Ukraine had emotion, thats why she won.

She won, because the jury decided that. There is no other reason, as it wasn't a good performance at all.

[Mila]

Ukraine won, we are proud of Jamala, she has unique voice and performed the best! Glory to Ukraine!!!

[Dogsoldier]

Australia was good, the singer had good technique and delivered a good performance. Ukraine had emotion, thats why she won.

She won, because the jury decided that. There is no other reason, as it wasn't a good performance at all.

If it turned on the jury vote Ukraine didn't win. The public vote decided it. She is an accomplished singer with a great range and complexity. You are letting your bias colour your judgement as are a few others, unfortunately.

[Dogsoldier]

Ukraine won, we are proud of Jamala, she has unique voice and performed the best! Glory to Ukraine!!!

Quite right Mila. Congratulations to Jamala and Ukraine.

[Ste]

I actually thought the UK entry wasn't awful for a change, certainly better than the Polish one, that was shit.

I think if entered next year with The Who or The Rolling Stones we still wouldn't win because they'd be too cool and hip for Eurovision tastes.

[Ste]

Russia didn't win, get over it!!

[MBS01]

Ukraine did it again last night!  Ukraine's Jamala performed her song "1944" winning the Eurovision Song Contest final in Stockholm, as voted by TV viewers across Europe.  So next year 2017 the Eurovision Song Contest will return to Ukraine just as it was in 2004.

In 2004 Ukraine became visa free for most western countries making travel easier for us to travel there.  Not only did we see the stages set up in Kiev for Eurovision events, but enjoyed Victory Day, May 9, 2004 in the Crimea as part of the then Ukraine.

Next year once again Eurovision I expect will be held in Kiev.  However Ukraine has gotten much smaller having lost Crimea. Donesk and Luganst with all of their resources and industry as well as tourist business.

It is also note worthy that the winning song "1944" spoke to the 1944 deportation of Crimean Tatars to Central Asia by then Soviet authorities, including the Great-Grandmother of singer Jamala (Susana Jamaladinova).

[Anteros]

Ukraine won, we are proud of Jamala, she has unique voice and performed the best! Glory to Ukraine!!!

 

[Steveboy]

Russia didn't win, get over it!!

Its not going to be easy!!

[Manny]

"Spiegel " wrote that the decision to give the first place was political.

Wie kann der ESC unpolitisch sein?

Ja, die Entscheidung für Jamala ist eine politische.

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/eurovision-song-contest-die-ukraine-und-ihr-trauriges-lied-von-der-krim-a-1092448.html

Pure fact.

Ya think? 

[Steamer]

I speak the truth , sometimes it hurts! Thats life.

In the US we have the same complaints about the Oscars.  Meh