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NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« on: May 10, 2016, 09:17:45 AM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 09:21:30 AM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264

If Trump wins look for that Iran deal to be torn up on day 1.  In regards to a missile defense shield in Poland it is strictly a deterrent against Russian aggression.
Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 09:43:52 AM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264

If Trump wins look for that Iran deal to be torn up on day 1.  In regards to a missile defense shield in Poland it is strictly a deterrent against Russian aggression.

The Poles will sell their asses to anyone!
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 11:37:12 AM »
Steveboy..the 'clue' is the word SHIELD



How does one 'target' with a defensive system ?

 
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 06:10:13 PM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264

If Trump wins look for that Iran deal to be torn up on day 1.  In regards to a missile defense shield in Poland it is strictly a deterrent against Russian aggression.

The Poles will sell their asses to anyone!

The Poles have a very bad history with Russia.  Do you blame them for wanting to protect themselves?
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 05:33:32 AM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264

If Trump wins look for that Iran deal to be torn up on day 1.  In regards to a missile defense shield in Poland it is strictly a deterrent against Russian aggression.

The Poles will sell their asses to anyone!

The Poles have a very bad history with Russia.  Do you blame them for wanting to protect themselves?

From what?

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 05:41:39 AM »
The truth comes out, Iran was not the intended threat.

NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-targets-russia-planned-missile-defense-expansion/ri14264

If Trump wins look for that Iran deal to be torn up on day 1.  In regards to a missile defense shield in Poland it is strictly a deterrent against Russian aggression.

The Poles will sell their asses to anyone!

The Poles have a very bad history with Russia.  Do you blame them for wanting to protect themselves?

A bad history with Russia?? :laugh: What about the Germans?? Oh they were very friendly!!! Just gassed half the population, and now the poles are so far up the Germans asses its unreal!

Hypocrisy and double standards as usual in todays world..


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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2016, 06:11:49 AM »
History tells us that making a target of oneself is rarely a sensible defence policy.

Poland has experience of making this mistake in the past. They became a target for German aggression when they foolishly refused to act against Germany as requested by the other major European powers. Instead they chose to provoke Germany and rely upon the treaty they had with the UK and France.

This seems to be a replay, using the supposed 'strength' of others in hope of attaining Polish goals without effort.

Now, if missiles are installed in Poland the Russian army will have no other choice than to target those installations and their logistical support. That is not a win for Poland.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 08:48:01 AM »
History tells us that making a target of oneself is rarely a sensible defence policy.

Poland has experience of making this mistake in the past. They became a target for German aggression when they foolishly refused to act against Germany as requested by the other major European powers. Instead they chose to provoke Germany and rely upon the treaty they had with the UK and France.

This seems to be a replay, using the supposed 'strength' of others in hope of attaining Polish goals without effort.

Now, if missiles are installed in Poland the Russian army will have no other choice than to target those installations and their logistical support. That is not a win for Poland.

If Russia were foolish enough to do more than a theoretical target of Poland then NATO would respond with actions against Crimea and Kaliningrad.  Putin knows better.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2016, 09:03:15 AM »
This missile defense "shield"is just window dressing.  Obsolete technology. 

The new SARMAT ICBM's will go straight through it.   ;D

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 09:05:25 AM »
History tells us that making a target of oneself is rarely a sensible defence policy.

Poland has experience of making this mistake in the past. They became a target for German aggression when they foolishly refused to act against Germany as requested by the other major European powers. Instead they chose to provoke Germany and rely upon the treaty they had with the UK and France.

This seems to be a replay, using the supposed 'strength' of others in hope of attaining Polish goals without effort.

Now, if missiles are installed in Poland the Russian army will have no other choice than to target those installations and their logistical support. That is not a win for Poland.

If Russia were foolish enough to do more than a theoretical target of Poland then NATO would respond with actions against Crimea and Kaliningrad.  Putin knows better.

The absolute brilliance of a US military tactician knows no bounds..

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 09:07:08 AM »
This missile defense "shield"is just window dressing.  Obsolete technology. 

The new SARMAT ICBM's will go straight through it.   ;D

A couple of the others that Russia has also...
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 09:13:29 AM »
Ant, you don't get it do you?
Russia has done nothing. Poland has made of itself a target. If the US starts some silliness then you won't need to worry about Konigsberg.

The point is that Poland is, once again, engaged in lazy regional politics that are unlikely to turn out well for them. You can be certain that Russia is most unlikely to be an initiator in the next world war but they are already doing their best to ensure the least bad outcome of such an event.

Making clear what escalation steps exist to people like you is a part of Russian defence. The folks at NATO already know the consequences of their actions. It is important that the civilian population is made aware, sadly that task falls to Russia.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 09:31:03 AM »
Steveboy..the 'clue' is the word SHIELD



How does one 'target' with a defensive system ?


The planned missile for the "so called shield" is a SM-3 missile, it is a THAAD, however, the warhead of the missile can be easily changed converting it into an attack missile.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 09:32:35 AM »
Ant, you don't get it do you?
Russia has done nothing. Poland has made of itself a target. If the US starts some silliness then you won't need to worry about Konigsberg.

The point is that Poland is, once again, engaged in lazy regional politics that are unlikely to turn out well for them. You can be certain that Russia is most unlikely to be an initiator in the next world war but they are already doing their best to ensure the least bad outcome of such an event.

Making clear what escalation steps exist to people like you is a part of Russian defence. The folks at NATO already know the consequences of their actions. It is important that the civilian population is made aware, sadly that task falls to Russia.

Russia has already deployed its latest Iskandar missiles in Kalingrad..
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 09:47:31 AM »
And, just as happened when Sweden announced their ideas about joining NATO, Russia will make clear the consequences. Iskander was installed due to previous escalation in Europe by the US.

Now, Russia will make sure that the population of the land of the Po know how their missiles will be targeted.

I am sure that the Iskander batteries are already targeted for existing threats.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 09:58:21 AM »
And, just as happened when Sweden announced their ideas about joining NATO, Russia will make clear the consequences. Iskander was installed due to previous escalation in Europe by the US.

Now, Russia will make sure that the population of the land of the Po know how their missiles will be targeted.

I am sure that the Iskander batteries are already targeted for existing threats.

This whole situation really does make me laugh, here you have NATO and the US putting in their missile shields telling people that they will be protected, when if fact, both NATO and the US know that the shield will be totally ineffective against Russian missiles... its a  :censored: ing joke..
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2016, 10:02:52 AM »
Gypsy,

The elite knows these missile defense shields are a joke. The deployment is propaganda for the sheeple...

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2016, 10:07:53 AM »
Gypsy,

The elite knows these missile defense shields are a joke. The deployment is propaganda for the sheeple...

100% agree, it just amuses me as to how the populaces can be so easily led..

Not a bushel of brains amongst them it seems. ;D
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2016, 10:22:45 AM »
The US weapons are not for defence. It is probable that they are not effective for offence either.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2016, 10:36:18 AM »
This missile defense "shield"is just window dressing.  Obsolete technology. 

The new SARMAT ICBM's will go straight through it.   ;D

The "shield" was never meant for a Russian or Chinese ICBM.  Only meant for North Korea or Iran.   Big difference in technology.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 01:27:06 PM »
This missile defense "shield"is just window dressing.  Obsolete technology. 

The new SARMAT ICBM's will go straight through it.   ;D

The "shield" was never meant for a Russian or Chinese ICBM.  Only meant for North Korea or Iran.   Big difference in technology.

The original shield comprised of patriot missiles, to prevent any "supposedly" Iranian threat.

The shield being currently installed is based on SM3 missiles to counter any threat directly from Russia.

An utter waste of time and money and absolutely useless.
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Romania-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2016, 05:35:33 PM »
Yet another missile defense system in Russia's back yard.

US heralds Romania missile defence system as step forward

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-heralds-romania-missile-defence-system-step-forward-212403614.html?nhp=1
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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 10:02:06 PM »
And, just as happened when Sweden announced their ideas about joining NATO, Russia will make clear the consequences.

Yup, read it and blinked..

'consequences' - sounds like NATO recruitment is the Kremlin aim..?..

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Re: NATO Targets Russia With Poland-Based Missile Shield
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2016, 08:39:00 AM »
This missile defense "shield"is just window dressing.  Obsolete technology. 

The new SARMAT ICBM's will go straight through it.   ;D

The "shield" was never meant for a Russian or Chinese ICBM.  Only meant for North Korea or Iran.   Big difference in technology.

The original shield comprised of patriot missiles, to prevent any "supposedly" Iranian threat.

The shield being currently installed is based on SM3 missiles to counter any threat directly from Russia.

An utter waste of time and money and absolutely useless.

Except for propaganda purposes.  :laugh:

Considering that the inept Obama is still President, what do you expect?
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