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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2016, 12:28:29 AM »
Anteros,

I doubt Manny is rabiedly anti-American [ loving some weird country music, big block engines ] or 'pro-Russian - as he is happy to live in a Socialist voting part of Manchester...

His stance is all part of the 'new direction' he hoped t take the board  :chuckle:
Russia doesn't have form for making stuff like this up.
He really did say that
Here is my Russophobia/Kremlinphobia topic

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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2016, 01:24:27 AM »
Manny, you haven't even heard of Samuel Adams beer, yet you think you've got a right to criticize American beer?  Let me guess, just like when you bought some Velveeta cheese at 7-11, you also bought a 6 pack of Budweiser.  :sick0012:

Fella, I dont drink beer.

Europeans know cheese?  Oh do they?  Seems you don't know much about the subject matter -- Artisan and other high quality American cheese manufacturers.  How can you possibly consider yourself qualified to criticize American cheese, when you've never had Tilamook, one of the major West Coast players?  Have you ever tried one of their 12 month aged sharp cheddars?  Nope, you just like to spew your usual rabid anti-American propaganda.

I've got a nice Face Rock rockin' pepper jack in my fridge right now, waiting for a special occasion.  Have you ever had it or any of the hundreds of regional Artisan American made cheeses?  No, you just like to shoot from the hip.

You are making yourself look daft. Really, do some Googling about British, French and Dutch cheese.  :-[

Would I rather drive a brand new Chevy truck over an overpriced Rolls, Jaguar or Land Rover?  You bet I would.  Admittedly I will end up with a used one, but I consider your statement to be a hypothetical.  You can't afford any of those anyways, it just makes a guy like you feel good to drop names.  Oh pardon, you say you did purchase a used Land Rover.  They are very nice to look at.  Initial purchase price, maintenance and insurance are very high.

I cant afford a British car?  ;D

PS...Didn't you drive a Chrysler 300 at one time?  Uh huh.  :laugh:

Made in Germany with Merc E Class running gear over here.  :-X

PPS...the one photo I've seen of you and you were wearing jeans.  Forgot that jeans were invented in the USA by Levi Straus, did you??  :ROFL:

I don't wear American jeans as one seeks to avoid an eighteen inch rise and a baggy arse.  :chuckle:
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2016, 01:31:54 AM »
An American muscle car legend, made in the United States of America. 

As a matter of fact, I have owned many Mustangs. In fact, I have owned dozens of American cars and trucks. Example
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2016, 01:36:15 AM »
and Tesla's,
That nobody buys.
Funny I saw two in L'viv last time I was there (2015) and this year I seem to remember three in Kivy. In Connecticut I get tired of seeing them sort of ordinary, now.

They opened a dealer recently in Manchester actually. I keep meaning to drop in out of idle curiosity.
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2016, 01:51:30 AM »
Good split  tiphat

Tesla as an inventor is an interesting link between Central Europe and The United States. The Tesla cars are good looking but pricey.
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2016, 02:38:55 AM »
Three US guys on holiday. note the absent "Gap" shorts.. probably had non in stock that weekend :laugh:
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2016, 03:04:09 AM »
Oh and the #1 selling sports car in the world is the new Mustang, even in Germany.
Germany?  :chuckle: I don't think so.

When driving there, the stars, rings and BMW's are zooming past me but other than ford focus's and ford fiesta's i rarely see american muscle.

besides, who wants a mustang when you can buy a jaguar for less money.

A Ford Mustang 2.3 Starts at 50k, whilst the equivalent jaguar (xe) starts at 40k. (BMW 3-series 340i  = also 45k)

The ford mustang sports car you talk about comes in at 115k (V8 5.0L) whilst the comparable Jaguar (F-Type) comes in at 95k. A BMW M3 also comes in at 110k.)

Besides that, there's image. When people see a ford-mustang, its 'cheap american plastic wanna-be' , whilst driving a brand new jaguar or BMW-M series is 'wow, there goes money' , even if above pricing shows this is not neceserrily true.

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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2016, 03:23:43 AM »
England has Rover, oh wait owned by the Chinese, Jaguar owned by an Indian firm,
But jags remain 'produced in brittain' , except for those in the chinese market.

http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/innovation/production-operations/
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 03:25:20 AM »
Good split  tiphat

Tesla as an inventor is an interesting link between Central Europe and The United States. The Tesla cars are good looking but pricey.
Tesla's are wonderful. Designed by Lotus, so not American designed.

Tesla I would call one of the few totally world-wide western brands. Idea = USA, Manufactored in USA + Europe, design Europe.

https://www.teslamotors.com/nl_NL/blog/lotus-position

I love the quote :
We wanted the first Tesla car to handle like a proper sportscar, so we approached Lotus Cars, known to make the finest-handling sportscar on the road.

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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 03:36:21 AM »
Oh and the #1 selling sports car in the world is the new Mustang, even in Germany.
Germany?  :chuckle: I don't think so.

When driving there, the stars, rings and BMW's are zooming past me but other than ford focus's and ford fiesta's i rarely see american muscle.

besides, who wants a mustang when you can buy a jaguar for less money.

A Ford Mustang 2.3 Starts at 50k, whilst the equivalent jaguar (xe) starts at 40k. (BMW 3-series 340i  = also 45k)

The ford mustang sports car you talk about comes in at 115k (V8 5.0L) whilst the comparable Jaguar (F-Type) comes in at 95k. A BMW M3 also comes in at 110k.)

Besides that, there's image. When people see a ford-mustang, its 'cheap american plastic wanna-be' , whilst driving a brand new jaguar or BMW-M series is 'wow, there goes money' , even if above pricing shows this is not neceserrily true.

Mark.

If your going to quote Mustang numbers, you should do some home work.
First off they are no longer an import, some prices have come down quite a bit
for other countries. As far as the one in the photo above it is a 5.2 FPC engine, only other Manufactured car with this type of engine is a Ferrari,  M-3 can't touch it, nor and any Jag
including the new F type. And its less money, at least on this side of the pond.
The one in the picture above, you can't buy at local dealer, so not sure of import costs,
when able to import.

Oh and yes Mustang outsold all German sports cars in Germany :)
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2016, 03:38:17 AM »

Oh and yes Mustang outsold all German sports cars in Germany :)
Again without links. I don't see them on the road, so you are going to have to prove it.
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2016, 03:45:49 AM »

Oh and yes Mustang outsold all German sports cars in Germany :)
Again without links. I don't see them on the road, so you are going to have to prove it.
I have to prove it, your Google link broken  :chuckle:
I am a car guy, I read this stuff daily its part of my hobby.
But for fun, here it is, press release from Ford, report on out selling in Germany, From German
motor authority KBA.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/20/ford-mustang-is-best-selling-sports-coupe-globally.html
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2016, 03:45:51 AM »
And its less money, at least on this side of the pond.
The one in the picture above, you can't buy at local dealer, so not sure of import costs,
when able to import.
Then why show a picture of it, if I can't buy one. And if a jag is cheaper than a regular Mustang, this one is overpriced even further.

So I get to quote other 'supercars' as well, a Lambo can be had for those kinds of pricing.
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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 03:49:03 AM »
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/20/ford-mustang-is-best-selling-sports-coupe-globally.html
We were talking sports-cars , not a 2.3 litre engine baby-model.

Next , you will call a Golf GTI with 200bhp a sports car :)


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Re: USA -v- Europe.
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2016, 04:42:07 AM »
Tesla is a marvelous demonstration of the technique of subsidy hunting.

Every car that Tesla makes is sold at a huge loss - and that will not change.
Every car that Tesla makes is subsidized by US tax payers - every USAian owns a slice of every Tesla being riven anywhere in the world - except that none of you will ever benefit from it. The benefits flow to Elon Musk and a small group of private shareholders.

Musk is a genius, a genius at spotting areas of enterprise where the government will either pay for, or underwrite, the business whilst letting him keep any profits. All upside, no downside.

Tesla are a tiny, niche manufacturer in a niche in which they are a niche player - look at the numbers, I have posted them on this site before now. The chances that they will scale to 1000% of current output in the next two years? HAHAHAHHAHAHA! But Musk will profit from every penny of taxpayers money being lavished up his businesses.

OH, Mustang: CLICK HERE! One month the Mustang outsold the Porsche 911 by 28 units 780/752. My guess? There's a deal of pent up demand for these cars but one swallow does not make a summer and with that size of market, it isn't exactly a popular choice! I'd be rather surprised if the Mustang continues to sell 'as well'. Remember that the Mustang is supposed to be a mass market car - the Porsche, nope, not a bit of it. (Mustang was the 19th best selling car in the US in 2015 - selling less than 800 cars a month across the whole marque in Germany is hardly a success is it?)


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