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Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« on: March 15, 2016, 10:44:39 AM »
I am surprised nobody noticed this one here yet:

https://www.rt.com/news/335624-russia-planes-withdraw-syria/

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On Monday evening, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Moscow’s decision to withdraw the main part of Russian forces from its Syrian airbase in Latakia. This brings to an end the anti-terror operation launched on September 30, 2015. Putin explained that the operation’s objectives have been generally achieved.

The western media will no doubt enjoy making stuff up about Putin's 'cunning plan' by so doing.

The FT seems pretty balanced though: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/08b63eae-ea64-11e5-888e-2eadd5fbc4a4.html#axzz42zjKGEfn

Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 11:33:01 AM »
I am surprised nobody noticed this one here yet:

https://www.rt.com/news/335624-russia-planes-withdraw-syria/

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On Monday evening, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Moscow’s decision to withdraw the main part of Russian forces from its Syrian airbase in Latakia. This brings to an end the anti-terror operation launched on September 30, 2015. Putin explained that the operation’s objectives have been generally achieved.

The western media will no doubt enjoy making stuff up about Putin's 'cunning plan' by so doing.

The FT seems pretty balanced though: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/08b63eae-ea64-11e5-888e-2eadd5fbc4a4.html#axzz42zjKGEfn

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thought it had been covered in another thread regarding sanctions no?

The evil boogie man Putin. There's a guy in Canada that knows more about this.
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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 11:52:24 AM »
I think it was posted in Sanctions yes, Ste mentioned the war was getting too expensive for Putin
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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 12:04:12 PM »
That'll be one of the common early memes - until folks notice that, well, the stated objectives have been attained.

I am sure that thought leaders are anxiously awaiting instructions as to what to be telling their readers and viewers. 

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 12:11:37 PM »
I thought this was a fairly good article as to why Russia is pulling out of Syria

Eight Reasons Why Russia Is Withdrawing From Syria

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/8-answers-why-russian-forces-are-returning-syria/ri13374
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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 12:21:14 PM »
Thought it had been covered in another thread regarding sanctions no?

Well, I didn't look there as it is naught to do with sanctions. Not on top of all topics of late as a tad busy elsewhere.

I thought this was a fairly good article as to why Russia is pulling out of Syria

Eight Reasons Why Russia Is Withdrawing From Syria

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/8-answers-why-russian-forces-are-returning-syria/ri13374

That seems to sum up my understanding of it. They never had any intention of doing what the US does and remain there a decade or two.

In, out, shake it all about, show off Russian weapons to would be buyers, show the US they are not a pushover in case of any daft ideas they may have, break up the ISIS money chain, bump off the FSU fighters, protect Damascus till it can protect itself, help the legitimate government regain control, get everyone sat down talking. Quit while you are ahead. Job done on all levels. For now.

Minimum expense, minimum casualties, maximum PR.

And now lookee what? John Kerry in Moscow next week for a chat.  :chuckle:

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 12:49:47 PM »
Thought it had been covered in another thread regarding sanctions no?

Well, I didn't look there as it is naught to do with sanctions. Not on top of all topics of late as a tad busy elsewhere.

I thought this was a fairly good article as to why Russia is pulling out of Syria

Eight Reasons Why Russia Is Withdrawing From Syria

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/8-answers-why-russian-forces-are-returning-syria/ri13374

That seems to sum up my understanding of it. They never had any intention of doing what the US does and remain there a decade or two.

In, out, shake it all about, show off Russian weapons to would be buyers, show the US they are not a pushover in case of any daft ideas they may have, break up the ISIS money chain, bump off the FSU fighters, protect Damascus till it can protect itself, help the legitimate government regain control, get everyone sat down talking. Quit while you are ahead. Job done on all levels. For now.

Minimum expense, minimum casualties, maximum PR.

And now lookee what? John Kerry in Moscow next week for a chat.  :chuckle:

I see a link.
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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 01:43:50 PM »
I see a link.

I see a link between the US being the hand that directs the EU, migrants piling into the EU from war zones with Turkey's help. Now the EU is throwing money at Turkey and Jordan to keep some there, and Assad is still there, and Putin is the hand that rocks the cradle.

Pull back, invite Kerry for a 'chat', paint a picture of 3m more migrants if Russia needs to go back, and see how long those sanctions last........

Cue the US stopping the "Assad must go" mantra, and our compliant media writing good stuff about Russia. Like say how good ol' cowboys from Wyoming are flocking to opportunity-rich Russia to herd cows as Russian demand for steak soars (don't tell Westy people are moving there from the US). With lots of quotes by good ol' American guys about how great Russia is and how the US media lies?

Well guess what already?

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 03:20:20 PM »
Like say how good ol' cowboys from Wyoming are flocking to opportunity-rich Russia to herd cows as Russian demand for steak soars (don't tell Westy people are moving there from the US). With lots of quotes by good ol' American guys about how great Russia is and how the US media lies?

Well guess what already?

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Behind a paywall, even I can't breach. While Todd Lewis and his fellow cowboys were moving to Russia how many Russians moved to the west to escape Putin? Hundred Russians for every Todd Lewis? 200?

Better yet how many Russian millionaires and billionaires moved most of their assets to the west? Even Putin's daughters preferred the west.

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 03:37:07 PM »
Thought it had been covered in another thread regarding sanctions no?

Well, I didn't look there as it is naught to do with sanctions. Not on top of all topics of late as a tad busy elsewhere.

I thought this was a fairly good article as to why Russia is pulling out of Syria

Eight Reasons Why Russia Is Withdrawing From Syria

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/8-answers-why-russian-forces-are-returning-syria/ri13374

That seems to sum up my understanding of it. They never had any intention of doing what the US does and remain there a decade or two.

In, out, shake it all about, show off Russian weapons to would be buyers, show the US they are not a pushover in case of any daft ideas they may have, break up the ISIS money chain, bump off the FSU fighters, protect Damascus till it can protect itself, help the legitimate government regain control, get everyone sat down talking. Quit while you are ahead. Job done on all levels. For now.

Minimum expense, minimum casualties, maximum PR.

And now lookee what? John Kerry in Moscow next week for a chat.  :chuckle:

My reading the article Russia is not pulling out of Syria they just sent a few plans home. The could return in hours. Everything on the ground remains ready to support them.

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2016, 04:06:35 PM »
Behind a paywall, even I can't breach.

Translation: I couldn't Google the headline and find a free scrape.  :-\

Click it, blow it up, flip it and save it to read it.

Cluebat: Mark Franchetti is even more anti-Russian than you (but he has been), but that was penned in his name. See what is happening here? Take your time.....

Why I photographed it for you. You deal in facts, remember?  :)

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2016, 11:22:50 AM »
Behind a paywall, even I can't breach.

Translation: I couldn't Google the headline and find a free scrape.  :-\

Click it, blow it up, flip it and save it to read it.

Cluebat: Mark Franchetti is even more anti-Russian than you (but he has been), but that was penned in his name. See what is happening here? Take your time.....

Why I photographed it for you. You deal in facts, remember?  :)

Facts like Chinatown in London and Paris exist for Chinese buyers to go shopping in, and are not full of tax dodging massage parlours and cash only buffets aimed at domestic tourists.

Sure.






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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2016, 03:14:57 PM »

Facts like Chinatown in London and Paris exist for Chinese buyers to go shopping in, and are not full of tax dodging massage parlours and cash only buffets aimed at domestic tourists.


Say it ain't so! I thought they didn't exist until the Chinese started being big tourists a few years ago!  :hidechair:

I was believing Westcoast, after all, he has personal insight here, given that one of his caregivers is Chinese!   :biggrin:

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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2016, 04:06:54 PM »
Behind a paywall, even I can't breach.

Translation: I couldn't Google the headline and find a free scrape.  :-\

Click it, blow it up, flip it and save it to read it.

Since you referenced that particular article I wanted to read it. Of course there are similar articles but that particular article was not available to me.

Cluebat: Mark Franchetti is even more anti-Russian than you (but he has been),

I'm not anti-Russian just anti corrupt government. Unlike you who are virulently pro Russian even with all its corruption.

Why I photographed it for you. You deal in facts, remember?  :)

You could have photographed the entire article so I could see if the article dealt in facts.
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Re: Russia is Pulling Out of Syria.
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2016, 11:38:44 PM »
Interesting article in the NY Post that speculates 2 reasons for Putin withdrawing from Syria. One, Assad isn't grateful for Putin's help and Putin is feed up with Assad's attitude towards Putin's military assistance. Putin is simply feed up with Assad so he's taking his air force back to Russia.

Second reason. Putin has realised that Iran is simply using the Russian Air Force to consolidate gains on the ground for expansion of Iranian territory in Iraq and Syria. After all it's Iranian military and those loyal to Iran doing all the boots on the ground work while the Russian Air Force soars overhead out of sight.

The last thing Putin wants is an expanded Iranian presence in the Middle East. After all the missiles of Shia Muslim Iran military can reach parts of Russia as easily as other parts of the ME.

If some or all of the NYP article are reasons for Putin leaving will he return if Assad can't keep the territory Putin returned to him or if Assad needs help to keep Syria from Iran's control?

http://nypost.com/2016/03/15/the-syrian-war-just-taught-putin-to-worry-about-iran/
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