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Regaining US Citizenship
« on: March 01, 2016, 01:30:16 PM »
Got someone on an immigration board in UK I'm on, in order to 'ensure' they'd get UK ILR/Citizenship has foolishly renounced their US citizenship making themselves stateless, the logic being UK can't refuse this person as they are stateless. Flawed logic of course. But I'm reading US citizenship can't be un-renounced, you'd have to go though all the steps as normal immigrant would.

To our USA experts, is the the case?
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 01:38:53 PM »
Hmm, seems USA is one of the few countries that will allow it's citizens to make themselves stateless, the rest won't unless they have another citizenship, presumably to be deported to.

Rather odd logic?
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 02:14:02 PM »
Got someone on an immigration board in UK I'm on, in order to 'ensure' they'd get UK ILR/Citizenship has foolishly renounced their US citizenship making themselves stateless, the logic being UK can't refuse this person as they are stateless. Flawed logic of course. But I'm reading US citizenship can't be un-renounced, you'd have to go though all the steps as normal immigrant would.

To our USA experts, is the the case?

Yes, renunciation is irrevocable.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM »
Seems this is a perfect example of making new identities if you need one.
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 03:15:18 PM »
Seems this is the crux:

Official guidance from U.S Department of State - Bureau of Consular Affairs;

Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

Wonder what happens after that?
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 03:37:12 PM »
Seems this is the crux:

Official guidance from U.S Department of State - Bureau of Consular Affairs;

Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

Wonder what happens after that?

To be deported to the US, the stateless individual would have to have or be issued some type of travel document to enter the US. Since the individual has renounced his/her US citizenship the travel document couldn't be a US passport.

The US government could refuse to issue any travel documents which would mean the individual couldn't enter the US. Since the US does take in stateless individuals as refugees there is some type of travel document that the US issues for stateless individuals to enter the US. However would the US government give such a document to someone stupid enough to renounce US citizenship and leave him/her stateless in a foreign country?
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 11:12:51 PM »
Seems this is the crux:

Official guidance from U.S Department of State - Bureau of Consular Affairs;

Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

Wonder what happens after that?

Go to Sweden and claim they are Syrian Christian.

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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 11:31:38 PM »
Seems this is the crux:

Official guidance from U.S Department of State - Bureau of Consular Affairs;

Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

Wonder what happens after that?

I quiet like the bit where it states that renunciation may also not affect a persons tax and military service liabilities..

Or am I reading/interpreting the document incorrectly?
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Re: Regaining US Citizenship
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2016, 11:32:45 PM »
Seems this is the crux:

Official guidance from U.S Department of State - Bureau of Consular Affairs;

Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

Wonder what happens after that?

Go to Sweden and claim they are Syrian Christian.

Maybe that's what our friend Assange should do.. :ROFL:
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