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Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« on: February 05, 2016, 01:50:28 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 03:10:24 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 03:25:16 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Not big either, two lanes most of them, don't seem to have any massive queues of traffic we get.....
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 03:26:45 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

Think actually (not googling so could be wrong) the autobahns came from Mussolini's Autostrada....
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 03:28:52 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

And also no Peoples' Cars were ever produced under Hitler's Regime, that honour fell to the British Army, who rolled them out, how the tide has turned lol!!
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 03:38:29 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Not big either, two lanes most of them, don't seem to have any massive queues of traffic we get.....

? The major ones are all 3-lanes and some 4-5 lanes.
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 04:15:11 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

Think actually (not googling so could be wrong) the autobahns came from Mussolini's Autostrada....

They were unique to Germany and had been in process.  Once Hitler came to power he approved the whole thing and they were built all over the country.


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"Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project, appointing Fritz Todt, the Inspector General of German Road Construction, to lead it. By 1936, 130,000 workers were directly employed in construction, as well as an additional 270,000 in the supply chain for construction equipment, steel, concrete, signage, maintenance equipment, etc. In rural areas, new camps to house the workers were built near construction sites.[10] The job creation program aspect was not especially important because full employment was almost reached by 1936. The autobahns were not primarily intended as major infrastructure improvement of special value to the military as often stated. Their military value was limited as all major military transports in Germany were done by train to save fuel. The propaganda ministry turned the construction of the autobahns into a major media event that attracted international attention.[11]

The autobahns formed the first limited-access, high-speed road network in the world, with the first section from Frankfurt am Main to Darmstadt opening in 1935. This straight section was used for high speed record attempts by the Grand Prix racing teams of Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union until a fatal accident involving popular German race driver Bernd Rosemeyer in early 1938. The world record of 432 km/h (268 mph) set by Rudolf Caracciola on this stretch just prior to the accident remains one of the highest speeds ever achieved on a public motorway. A similar intent in the 1930s existed for a ten kilometer stretch of what is today Bundesautobahn 9 just south of Dessau — called the Dessauer Rennstrecke — had bridges with no abutments over the median, meant for land speed record cars like the Mercedes-Benz T80 to have made a record attempt in January 1940, abandoned due to the outbreak of World War II in Europe four months earlier".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 04:22:03 PM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

And also no Peoples' Cars were ever produced under Hitler's Regime, that honour fell to the British Army, who rolled them out, how the tide has turned lol!!

It was Hitler's concept.  Take a look for yourself.

http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 09:15:18 AM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

Think actually (not googling so could be wrong) the autobahns came from Mussolini's Autostrada....

They were unique to Germany and had been in process.  Once Hitler came to power he approved the whole thing and they were built all over the country.


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"Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project, appointing Fritz Todt, the Inspector General of German Road Construction, to lead it. By 1936, 130,000 workers were directly employed in construction, as well as an additional 270,000 in the supply chain for construction equipment, steel, concrete, signage, maintenance equipment, etc. In rural areas, new camps to house the workers were built near construction sites.[10] The job creation program aspect was not especially important because full employment was almost reached by 1936. The autobahns were not primarily intended as major infrastructure improvement of special value to the military as often stated. Their military value was limited as all major military transports in Germany were done by train to save fuel. The propaganda ministry turned the construction of the autobahns into a major media event that attracted international attention.[11]

The autobahns formed the first limited-access, high-speed road network in the world, with the first section from Frankfurt am Main to Darmstadt opening in 1935. This straight section was used for high speed record attempts by the Grand Prix racing teams of Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union until a fatal accident involving popular German race driver Bernd Rosemeyer in early 1938. The world record of 432 km/h (268 mph) set by Rudolf Caracciola on this stretch just prior to the accident remains one of the highest speeds ever achieved on a public motorway. A similar intent in the 1930s existed for a ten kilometer stretch of what is today Bundesautobahn 9 just south of Dessau — called the Dessauer Rennstrecke — had bridges with no abutments over the median, meant for land speed record cars like the Mercedes-Benz T80 to have made a record attempt in January 1940, abandoned due to the outbreak of World War II in Europe four months earlier".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_of_Italy

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Italy was the first country in the world to build motorways, i.e., fast roads, reserved for motor vehicles.
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 10:31:16 AM »
If it wasn't for Goebbels. Germany wouldn't have those lovely big autobahns  :laugh:

Wrong.  Both the Autobahn and the peoples car (Volkswagen) were the brainchild of Hitler.

Think actually (not googling so could be wrong) the autobahns came from Mussolini's Autostrada....

They were unique to Germany and had been in process.  Once Hitler came to power he approved the whole thing and they were built all over the country.


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"Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project, appointing Fritz Todt, the Inspector General of German Road Construction, to lead it. By 1936, 130,000 workers were directly employed in construction, as well as an additional 270,000 in the supply chain for construction equipment, steel, concrete, signage, maintenance equipment, etc. In rural areas, new camps to house the workers were built near construction sites.[10] The job creation program aspect was not especially important because full employment was almost reached by 1936. The autobahns were not primarily intended as major infrastructure improvement of special value to the military as often stated. Their military value was limited as all major military transports in Germany were done by train to save fuel. The propaganda ministry turned the construction of the autobahns into a major media event that attracted international attention.[11]

The autobahns formed the first limited-access, high-speed road network in the world, with the first section from Frankfurt am Main to Darmstadt opening in 1935. This straight section was used for high speed record attempts by the Grand Prix racing teams of Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union until a fatal accident involving popular German race driver Bernd Rosemeyer in early 1938. The world record of 432 km/h (268 mph) set by Rudolf Caracciola on this stretch just prior to the accident remains one of the highest speeds ever achieved on a public motorway. A similar intent in the 1930s existed for a ten kilometer stretch of what is today Bundesautobahn 9 just south of Dessau — called the Dessauer Rennstrecke — had bridges with no abutments over the median, meant for land speed record cars like the Mercedes-Benz T80 to have made a record attempt in January 1940, abandoned due to the outbreak of World War II in Europe four months earlier".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_of_Italy

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Italy was the first country in the world to build motorways, i.e., fast roads, reserved for motor vehicles.

You missed the most important distinction and difference between the two.  Namely the German Autobahn was the first high-speed roadway in the World, without a speed limit.  And this distinction remains today.  Therefore the German Autobahn was the first of it's type.

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Italy's autostrade have a standard speed limit of 130 km/h (81 mph) for cars. Limits for other vehicles (or during foul weather and/or low visibility) are lower. Legal provisions allow operators to set the limit to 150 km/h (93 mph) on their concessions on a voluntary basis if these conditions are met: three lanes in each direction and a working SICVE, or Safety Tutor, speed-camera system that measure the average speed.


Furthermore the initial roadway was only one-lane each way, and only from one city to another.  Italy did not build a network of high-speed motorways until the late 1930's, and again they had a limit to the speed.


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He received the first authorization to build a public-utility fast road in 1921, and completed the construction (one lane each direction) between 1924 and 1926. By the end of the 1930s, over 400 kilometers of multi- and dual-single-lane motorways were constructed throughout Italy, linking cities and rural towns.
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 11:00:03 AM »
Ste, I thought you might like this link which talks about what Germany had to do in order to upgrade the Autobahn's inherited from East Germany after reunification.

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Early Autobahns were rather crude by today's standards.  The first Autobahns, like their Italian counterparts, featured limited-access and grade-separated crossings, but no medians.  The first Reichsautobahnen did have narrow medians but lacked shoulders, and ramps and waysides had cobblestone surfaces.  When Germany was reunified in 1989, the Autobahns of East Germany were in virtually the same condition as they were in 1945, exhibiting the aforementioned qualities as well as inadequate signing, infrequent (and often non-functional) emergency telephones frequently located in the center median, and service areas consisting of a dilapidated roadhouse next to a wayside.  Newer West German Autobahns had for many years featured 3.75 meter wide lanes, shoulders, landscaped medians with crash barriers, frequent roadside emergency telephones, and ample, well-adorned service areas.  After reunification, the German government expedited upgrading of the old East German Autobahns in a series of "German Unity Transport Projects."  By the end of 2009, the program was nearly completed with about 2,100 km of upgraded or newly-built Autobahn".

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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 11:02:07 AM »
Even though this is all very interesting, what does it have to do with the Putin article?
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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 11:06:02 AM »
Even though this is all very interesting, what does it have to do with the Putin article?

Nothing.  Perhaps a moderator could split it off?
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2016, 11:32:41 AM »
Even though this is all very interesting, what does it have to do with the Putin article?

Nothing.  Perhaps a moderator could split it off?

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Re: Autobahns, Volkswagen, Hitler, Germany & Goebbels
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2016, 11:43:58 AM »
Even though this is all very interesting, what does it have to do with the Putin article?

It will have something to do with it for sure, every thing in the world is connected in some way or other, its just not so easy to see it some times  :ROFL:
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