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US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« on: February 05, 2016, 08:33:50 AM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 08:57:14 AM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Confiscated by the US to pay the bills, just like the US did with Libya's gold..
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 12:31:18 PM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help.  Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral?  I don't think so.  Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 12:49:21 PM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help.  Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral?  I don't think so.  Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.
Careful now, Soon you will say Russia were the good guys and expecting payment is normal.
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 12:56:02 PM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help.  Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral?  I don't think so.  Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.
Careful now, Soon you will say Russia were the good guys and expecting payment is normal.

I never said that Russia did not have a right to get paid. 
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 01:03:01 PM »
Ant, if the Ukraine gold reserves were collateral for loans from the US that would be a matter of public record. It'd also be very, very unusual. In addition the move would not be carried out as it was; without the Ukraine central bank knowing about it.

Collateral is not taken before a loan goes into default. The scenario that you suggest would mean that there was no loan, rather it'd represent a purchase of Ukraine gold and, again, there is no record of such a transaction.

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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 01:08:01 PM »
Ant, if the Ukraine gold reserves were collateral for loans from the US that would be a matter of public record. It'd also be very, very unusual. In addition the move would not be carried out as it was; without the Ukraine central bank knowing about it.

Collateral is not taken before a loan goes into default. The scenario that you suggest would mean that there was no loan, rather it'd represent a purchase of Ukraine gold and, again, there is no record of such a transaction.

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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 01:22:52 PM »
Ant, was there something that you did not understand?
Or was there something that you were struggling to communicate?
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 02:05:06 PM »
Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 02:27:31 PM »
Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.
Source in Ukrainian language, google translate will do fine:

http://iskra-news.info/news/segodnja_nochju_iz_borispolja_v_ssha_strartoval_samoljot_s_zolotym_zapasom_ukrainy/2014-03-07-9122

Yatsenyuk ordered it taken to USA.
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 02:40:52 PM »
Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.
Source in Ukrainian language, google translate will do fine:

http://iskra-news.info/news/segodnja_nochju_iz_borispolja_v_ssha_strartoval_samoljot_s_zolotym_zapasom_ukrainy/2014-03-07-9122

Yatsenyuk ordered it taken to USA.

Google translation says "Later, the editors called back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine in the United States was taken all the gold reserves of Ukraine ..."

Your theory that the US seized the gold and took it to the US rests on, according to a Google translation, that an anonymous senior official of a former Ukrainian ministry said one of the new anonymous leaders of Ukraine had order the gold taken to the US?

Markje, that's not evidence that's gossip. My theory is far more probable. Putin sends in a black ops team to seize the gold and take it to Russia while the Ukrainian government, military and police are occupied with other matters. 
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 03:08:05 PM »
Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.
Source in Ukrainian language, google translate will do fine:

http://iskra-news.info/news/segodnja_nochju_iz_borispolja_v_ssha_strartoval_samoljot_s_zolotym_zapasom_ukrainy/2014-03-07-9122

Yatsenyuk ordered it taken to USA.

Google translation says "Later, the editors called back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine in the United States was taken all the gold reserves of Ukraine ..."

Your theory that the US seized the gold and took it to the US rests on, according to a Google translation, that an anonymous senior official of a former Ukrainian ministry said one of the new anonymous leaders of Ukraine had order the gold taken to the US?

Markje, that's not evidence that's gossip. My theory is far more probable. Putin sends in a black ops team to seize the gold and take it to Russia while the Ukrainian government, military and police are occupied with other matters.

Which is why it was taken to the USA for safekeeping, if it was.  And for collateral, no records needed.

It doesn't really matter though.  We didn't really take it, just like Russia didn't really invade Ukraine.  :ROFL:
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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 03:43:06 AM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help.  Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral?  I don't think so.  Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

You can't push your way into a strangers house uninvited, smash the place up then take their money for collateral because you've decided to sort out their domestic disagreements. The civilised world doesn't work that way Ant and the sooner uncle Sam understands that, the fewer people around the globe will suffer.

If you get involved then do so at your own cost or leave it alone.

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Re: US Quietly Snatches Ukraine’s Gold Reserves
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 04:03:55 PM »
Without comment, as we apparently missed this "gold" nugget.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help.  Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral?  I don't think so.  Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

You can't push your way into a strangers house uninvited, smash the place up then take their money for collateral because you've decided to sort out their domestic disagreements. The civilised world doesn't work that way Ant and the sooner uncle Sam Russia understands that, the fewer people around the globe will suffer.

If you get involved then do so at your own cost or leave it alone.

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