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Things are a changing... rapidly!
« on: January 17, 2016, 01:41:08 PM »
As you all know I work with Western men helping them find suitable prospects for marriage in the FSU. I've always searched for RW on free local Russian sites like Mamba and sometimes used sites like fdating as well. Lately I'm finding that pretty much every profile featuring a very attractive young woman listed in Ukraine is fake! It wasn't this way until recently, but believe me, now not only you need to watch out for being scammed by agencies, but you can be almost certain that if you contact a very beautiful woman from Ukraine even on sites like Mamba the profile is a fake.

Just do this before you waste a lot of time on some one. After you have made a few initial message exchanges, suggest to do a video chat on Skype (or whatever other video chat app you prefer). Most likely you will have a similar experience to mine: "I don't have Skype!" (you write: download it free here www.skype.com). "My connection is too slow!" and a ton of other excuses which are all BS.

Now if you are looking for a girl with more average looks it's still very doable. But guys who are looking for 9s and 10s in Ukraine are wasting their time in my experience.   

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 07:01:30 PM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site. 

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 04:48:44 AM »
As you all know I work with Western men helping them find suitable prospects for marriage in the FSU. I've always searched for RW on free local Russian sites like Mamba and sometimes used sites like fdating as well. Lately I'm finding that pretty much every profile featuring a very attractive young woman listed in Ukraine is fake! It wasn't this way until recently, but believe me, now not only you need to watch out for being scammed by agencies, but you can be almost certain that if you contact a very beautiful woman from Ukraine even on sites like Mamba the profile is a fake.

Just do this before you waste a lot of time on some one. After you have made a few initial message exchanges, suggest to do a video chat on Skype (or whatever other video chat app you prefer). Most likely you will have a similar experience to mine: "I don't have Skype!" (you write: download it free here www.skype.com). "My connection is too slow!" and a ton of other excuses which are all BS.

Now if you are looking for a girl with more average looks it's still very doable. But guys who are looking for 9s and 10s in Ukraine are wasting their time in my experience.

I have been telling people here for a long time! 95% of ALL young Ukrainian women who are pretty are FAKE!

People just do not get it! Anyway within 4 weeks I will have this problem totally resolved and offer the one and ONLY genuine place to meet real women from Ukraine , thats if your mad enough to try :)
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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 05:22:33 AM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site.

How many countries did you visit in your trip?

Was this problem just in Ukraine or in Russia too and elsewhere you visited?

What about the Tajik girl? She was in Ukraine?

Like LFTS you are most likely the problem with your way of thinking and can't be done attitude.

Having a pop at Leslied when he's been married over a decade is a smart move and will definitely aid your success.

The world isn't perfect, if you only search for problems that is all you'll find.

If I was looking (which I'm currently not) I am confident I could line up 20 or 30 dates in Ukraine with just a 2 month lead time and a couple of weeks on the ground. It's really not hard if 1 is realistic and half presentable. So many sites to line up dates in advance then tinder and badoo when you hit the ground.




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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 12:42:02 PM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site.

How many countries did you visit in your trip?

Was this problem just in Ukraine or in Russia too and elsewhere you visited?

What about the Tajik girl? She was in Ukraine?

Like LFTS you are most likely the problem with your way of thinking and can't be done attitude.

Having a pop at Leslied when he's been married over a decade is a smart move and will definitely aid your success.

The world isn't perfect, if you only search for problems that is all you'll find.

If I was looking (which I'm currently not) I am confident I could line up 20 or 30 dates in Ukraine with just a 2 month lead time and a couple of weeks on the ground. It's really not hard if 1 is realistic and half presentable. So many sites to line up dates in advance then tinder and badoo when you hit the ground.
you could do that with average looking girls, nothing above 7.

8s are hard but still doable in Ukraine (not 20 or 30 dates though). However 9 and 10 profiles are all fake in my experience.
Luke, you know that I've been doing this for a long time since 2004 I think. And things changed, a lot!!! You are being very optimistic...

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 12:54:20 PM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site.

How many countries did you visit in your trip?

Was this problem just in Ukraine or in Russia too and elsewhere you visited?

What about the Tajik girl? She was in Ukraine?

Like LFTS you are most likely the problem with your way of thinking and can't be done attitude.

Having a pop at Leslied when he's been married over a decade is a smart move and will definitely aid your success.

The world isn't perfect, if you only search for problems that is all you'll find.

If I was looking (which I'm currently not) I am confident I could line up 20 or 30 dates in Ukraine with just a 2 month lead time and a couple of weeks on the ground. It's really not hard if 1 is realistic and half presentable. So many sites to line up dates in advance then tinder and badoo when you hit the ground.
you could do that with average looking girls, nothing above 7.

8s are hard but still doable in Ukraine (not 20 or 30 dates though). However 9 and 10 profiles are all fake in my experience.
Luke, you know that I've been doing this for a long time since 2004 I think. And things changed, a lot!!! You are being very optimistic...

Nonsense. One guys 7 is another guys 9 so that's not valid at all. Being realistic Ed, how many guys who have to pay another man to find them a wife and chat her up for him are going to be landing themselves a "9" back home or abroad?

20 or 30 dates in a country of 23 million women is piss easy even for the elephant man. If you don't agree with me I think you need to take a good hard look at your clients expectations and what he brings to the table.

It's not hard to get dates if youre mildly attractive and have some personal skills.... or are you telling me it is?

I don't have problem finding women back home (which is why I'm dating domestically) so going abroad and being exotic/different just makes it easier.

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 01:27:05 PM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site.

How many countries did you visit in your trip?

Was this problem just in Ukraine or in Russia too and elsewhere you visited?

What about the Tajik girl? She was in Ukraine?

Like LFTS you are most likely the problem with your way of thinking and can't be done attitude.

Having a pop at Leslied when he's been married over a decade is a smart move and will definitely aid your success.

The world isn't perfect, if you only search for problems that is all you'll find.

If I was looking (which I'm currently not) I am confident I could line up 20 or 30 dates in Ukraine with just a 2 month lead time and a couple of weeks on the ground. It's really not hard if 1 is realistic and half presentable. So many sites to line up dates in advance then tinder and badoo when you hit the ground.
you could do that with average looking girls, nothing above 7.

8s are hard but still doable in Ukraine (not 20 or 30 dates though). However 9 and 10 profiles are all fake in my experience.
Luke, you know that I've been doing this for a long time since 2004 I think. And things changed, a lot!!! You are being very optimistic...

Nonsense. One guys 7 is another guys 9 so that's not valid at all.
I think that the law of attraction is pretty universal and IMO and IME most guys would agree on a 7 being a 7 and a 9 being a 9 plus/minus half a point or a point.
However if you personally can perceive a 7 as being a 9 then you win this argument.
Also you seem to be buying into the misconception that my clients are broke social misfits which couldn't be further from the truth...   

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 01:52:21 PM »
Some years back, there was a site called Kiss.com, where ladies, not only from the FSU, would hang their "cv".
The site was free, and allowed DM, and video links.
Some of the "cv" owners were probably scammers, but the wheat from the chaff was quickly sortable.
Kiss.com was sold to match.com I think, and downhill was the way forward after that unfortunately.
Has anyone here heard of the site, or even used it back then?
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 02:13:46 PM »
Since I started "the set up 30 dates before a trip" In another current thread. I will expand on that comment.

I have actually executed more than one trip using the visit many strategy so I know it could be done back when I was searching.  The argument is whether the situation is different now.

I have always advised everyone to stay clear of 9 or 10 women.  I am well aware that on ANY site the top 5% of women get 90% of the attention.  That has ALWAYS been true.  I would not dream of searching in that cat fish pond!

Additionally you might be able to pull a 9 or 10 but can you keep her after you have brought her home???

Remember this song ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif8WbqLXd4

One of the key success factors in this scene is setting reasonable expectations.  Search the good looking girls (7 or 8s).

Now given this baseline I could set up 30 dates for a visit many trip in the current scene.  My strategy would be to move to a Skype chat after 2-3 message exchanges.  I don't play internet spooky.  Waste of time and effort.  If the woman is not interested enough to Skype, then next!

Like any very experienced guy I can spot Yuri very quickly.  I wrote the original "Tablets of Stone" article Ed. So for me Yuri is just a time waster...

I am not saying "everyone" could do this.  You need self confidence and experience in the dating scene. It may well be impossible for some guys but that is down to THEIR shortcomings, not the current state of the scene.  ;D
 

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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 02:34:41 PM »
Exactly.  This was my problem when I was lining up dates prior to my last trip in November. 

Yet there is a member here that claims you can line up 30 dates in Ukraine prior to a trip. 

There are also many real profiles that I am simply not interested in. 

Edward your observation concurs 100% with Steve's statement that he must delete 95% of the profiles on his site.

How many countries did you visit in your trip?

Was this problem just in Ukraine or in Russia too and elsewhere you visited?

What about the Tajik girl? She was in Ukraine?

Like LFTS you are most likely the problem with your way of thinking and can't be done attitude.

Having a pop at Leslied when he's been married over a decade is a smart move and will definitely aid your success.

The world isn't perfect, if you only search for problems that is all you'll find.

If I was looking (which I'm currently not) I am confident I could line up 20 or 30 dates in Ukraine with just a 2 month lead time and a couple of weeks on the ground. It's really not hard if 1 is realistic and half presentable. So many sites to line up dates in advance then tinder and badoo when you hit the ground.
you could do that with average looking girls, nothing above 7.

8s are hard but still doable in Ukraine (not 20 or 30 dates though). However 9 and 10 profiles are all fake in my experience.
Luke, you know that I've been doing this for a long time since 2004 I think. And things changed, a lot!!! You are being very optimistic...

Nonsense. One guys 7 is another guys 9 so that's not valid at all. Being realistic Ed, how many guys who have to pay another man to find them a wife and chat her up for him are going to be landing themselves a "9" back home or abroad?

20 or 30 dates in a country of 23 million women is piss easy even for the elephant man. If you don't agree with me I think you need to take a good hard look at your clients expectations and what he brings to the table.

It's not hard to get dates if youre mildly attractive and have some personal skills.... or are you telling me it is?

I don't have problem finding women back home (which is why I'm dating domestically) so going abroad and being exotic/different just makes it easier.

Your 100% correct there.

Its very easy to set up multiple dates I don't dispute that! If I was single again I could very easy set up a string of dates every day I was away. I have done it before many many times, some times I had to many to meet in an evening and it was a nightmare :ROFL:
If I was arriving in St Petersburg tomorrow I would have piles of pretty women lined up, can't say they would all want to marry but I can say they would all be real and genuine and I wouldn't get ripped off,I would also have a good time :)

The problem is if you do not have realist expectations you have no chance, on top of that many guys lack skills to chat up women. I see this in my own site! For example a gold member who has unlimited communication with as many women as he wishes? he should be sending multiple copy paste mails out non stop like a train to get some attention, not just sitting there waiting for the sun to come out.
There are many reasons but some times you either have it or you haven't .. its that simple.

As for scammers if your using common sense and have realistic expectations you will never even have to think about them))
Unfortunately most let the thing between their legs rule over the brain, and thats usually costly.

But for sure the sites today are packed full of fake young women ;D
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Re: Things are a changing... rapidly!
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2016, 03:46:28 PM »
This is what I am saying - the more realistic your expectations are the easier it will be to line up a few suitable prospects. There is also a difference between just setting up a date the following evening for a cup of coffee (providing you are already in the country) versus actually getting to know a woman on line really well before you decide to visit. As you pointed out, you haven't done this for a while versus me working with guys all the time.
Right now working with a British guys, early 40s, makes around a million annually, business owner, very good looking, smart and social. Still it's not easy even though he is communicating with the women in Russian with my help (granted he is looking for women from 8.5 to 10). 

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 04:13:26 PM »
As you all know I work with Western men helping them find suitable prospects for marriage in the FSU. I've always searched for RW on free local Russian sites like Mamba and sometimes used sites like fdating as well. Lately I'm finding that pretty much every profile featuring a very attractive young woman listed in Ukraine is fake! It wasn't this way until recently, but believe me, now not only you need to watch out for being scammed by agencies, but you can be almost certain that if you contact a very beautiful woman from Ukraine even on sites like Mamba the profile is a fake.

Just do this before you waste a lot of time on some one. After you have made a few initial message exchanges, suggest to do a video chat on Skype (or whatever other video chat app you prefer). Most likely you will have a similar experience to mine: "I don't have Skype!" (you write: download it free here www.skype.com). "My connection is too slow!" and a ton of other excuses which are all BS.

Now if you are looking for a girl with more average looks it's still very doable. But guys who are looking for 9s and 10s in Ukraine are wasting their time in my experience.

I have been telling people here for a long time! 95% of ALL young Ukrainian women who are pretty are FAKE!

People just do not get it! Anyway within 4 weeks I will have this problem totally resolved and offer the one and ONLY genuine place to meet real women from Ukraine , thats if your mad enough to try :)

This post is useless without pics and links!

Guys who have visited UA recently on the ground have indicated that there are still attractive women there but they are hostile towards anyone who reeks of being a sex tourist - however if you are looking for a wife most of the more attractive women have no illusions about UA now being a completely failed state and are looking for a meal ticket and way out - problem he said is where to take them to and how to avoid the repercussions of their naturally manipulative Slavic female tendencies - a.k.a. how to avoid becoming a GCG mule ...  as big a problem as ever - they also said even Russian women more interested in relocating than before...

I personally am waiting to see how bad the 2016 market corrections (crash) is before I make any permanent decisions.

Maxx seems to have the best idea - travel the FSU and see where his retirement $$ goes the farthest.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2016, 04:15:57 PM »
This is what I am saying - the more realistic your expectations are the easier it will be to line up a few suitable prospects. There is also a difference between just setting up a date the following evening for a cup of coffee (providing you are already in the country) versus actually getting to know a woman on line really well before you decide to visit. As you pointed out, you haven't done this for a while versus me working with guys all the time.
Right now working with a British guys, early 40s, makes around a million annually, business owner, very good looking, smart and social. Still it's not easy even though he is communicating with the women in Russian with my help (granted he is looking for women from 8.5 to 10).

LOL Can you blame him if he is making a Million GBP per year he needs a sharp intelligent stunning wife who looks the part.

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2016, 04:20:20 PM »
ED LOL Thanks for the topic - I just got an email for a discount renewal offer to Lucky Lovers and was surprised at how stunning the ladies are in RU and UA many Victoria's Secret or Vogue model quality 8/9/10s...

So I will take your advice and snap myself out of it - my fantasy that is - too bad I thought my luck was starting to change as I won the huge recent powerball for $4.00 - paid for my two PB tickets any way ;-)

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 07:16:42 PM »
Since I started "the set up 30 dates before a trip" In another current thread. I will expand on that comment.

What time period were you doing the "30 dates" over?  IIRC, you actually spent a fair amount of time 'in-country', rather than the typical "One Week Wonder".

I have always advised everyone to stay clear of 9 or 10 women.

Well that's no fun.  ;D

I am well aware that on ANY site the top 5% of women get 90% of the attention.  That has ALWAYS been true.  I would not dream of searching in that cat fish pond!

Yeah, but what % of men actually get on a plane?  The numbers are still in the man's favor in that respect.


Additionally you might be able to pull a 9 or 10 but can you keep her after you have brought her home???

Remember this song ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif8WbqLXd4

One of the key success factors in this scene is setting reasonable expectations.  Search the good looking girls (7 or 8s).

See, that's the thing.  No disrespect to Dr. Hook, but she has to understand that YOU are the trophy, not the other way around.  I sometimes put it this way to women "I don't worry about other men.  I let other men worry about ME!"  Women respect the hell out of you for it, and it also sets the right tone in the relationship.


Now given this baseline I could set up 30 dates for a visit many trip in the current scene.  My strategy would be to move to a Skype chat after 2-3 message exchanges.  I don't play internet spooky.  Waste of time and effort.  If the woman is not interested enough to Skype, then next!

Boom!  This is why I tell guys to "think horizontally, not vertically".  It seems to me that to many guys treat interactions with women as if she will be The Last Woman He Ever Talks To.  Thus, they overinvest in a marginal prospect who is going to smell their desperation for miles.

The best thing to do is to be merciless at cutting off prospects that aren't going anywhere.

I am not saying "everyone" could do this.  You need self confidence and experience in the dating scene. It may well be impossible for some guys but that is down to THEIR shortcomings, not the current state of the scene.  ;D

That thought, expressed in a different way:chuckle:


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