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Offline WestCoast

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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2016, 05:16:23 PM »
Don't worry Westcoast, the world is not as you think.

I doubt any of us understand the behind the scenes machinations of state level politics and how the security services, be they American, European or Russian, truly work. However, as I repeatedly shown I have a far better understanding of the real world than you ever will.

As in many other countries this legislation exists but there has been a lot of discussion about this.

Perhaps there's been discussion, I certainly didn't see much at least in the English language media.

The government gave undertakings about the use and purpose of the legislation.

Since Russia is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe I wouldn't put much trust in any assurances from the Russian government.

While people might, with reason, not like the legislation it is directly analogous to that seen in,  for example, the UK. The benefit of legislation is that it provides for limits that can be enforced.

Do you really believe if Putin ordered a Russian security service to break the law that he would be held accountable by the Russian government because of this or some other legislation?

The US, for example, on the other hand is intrusive but there is little to no way to control the activity of the observers when legislation does not exist because how does one prosecute that which has no controlling legislation.

Exactly. On the Obama thread I've written repeatedly about the FBI, CIA and other US security services breaking the law without anyone being punished. You really should read my posts on the subject, most of them are great reading.   :popcorn:
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2016, 05:30:42 PM »
I could see many advantages living in any part of the FSU.
But and yes there is always a but :) Its not all peaches and creme.
nothing is, anywhere. I see many disadvantages also.
Steve if you really want to educate and help anyone thinking of
moving to Russia, you should state thee as well.
Remember not everyone has the same personality.
Some could not make a living their. ( this would be a big one for many)
So many + & - why not make two lists.
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2016, 06:11:23 PM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 03:55:49 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2016, 03:58:40 AM »
I could see many advantages living in any part of the FSU.
But and yes there is always a but :) Its not all peaches and creme.
nothing is, anywhere. I see many disadvantages also.
Steve if you really want to educate and help anyone thinking of
moving to Russia, you should state thee as well.
Remember not everyone has the same personality.
Some could not make a living their. ( this would be a big one for many)
So many + & - why not make two lists.

Its not a matter "Could not make a living" Its a matter of "Im going to do this"  Of course thats if you wanted to do it. The rest is up to you the same for all in life, if you really want something in life as captain kirk would say "Make it happen" :)
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2016, 04:02:39 AM »
Westcoast, I claim no particular expertise,  except to think and learn, sadly you have yet to demonstrate that what you read from the first result on any given Google search translates,  for you, into learning.

I  am always open to a surprise though!

As your Google knowledge did not show you, in Russia there has been public disquiet about some aspects of recent Russian legislation. As a result of that disquiet the government made some clarifications and undertakings specifically to address those concerns.

I am sure that people like you who do not yet know how email works and who do not trouble themselves to learn will not have been satisfied. But then, there's no known cure for idiocy as your most recent carers can attest.

The problem is that there is a genuine issue in respect of understanding what forces of evil are planning and implementing. Some ability to carry out surveillance is essential.

In Russia, fortunately, the government and leadership has huge popular support and thus trust. This makes it possible to undertake activities in a pretty open manner.

None of this matters for unemployed Canadians wedged into  their vulgalour Lazboys.

As is always the case items of choosing where to live, when one chooses to exercise such a choice, is a matter of compromise. Many people have found that the Russian model of relative state  disinterest in the activity of its citizens provides a level of personal freedom not found on the North American continent. On the downside, some aspects of life are less congenial.

As one who has not made such a choice, with knowledge based only upon what you are told to think, there's not really much that you can reasonably contribute to such a discussion apart from amateur level trolling.

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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 08:25:29 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?

Yes, the moribund old geezers.
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 08:35:30 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?

Yes, the moribund old geezers.

There could be another problem there is no Coronation Street or Eastenders the UK lot, I know some people cannot survive without the daily soap update:)
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 09:04:30 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?

Yes, the moribund old geezers.

There could be another problem there is no Coronation Street or Eastenders the UK lot, I know some people cannot survive without the daily soap update:)
What, no satellite tv in Rossiya?
Moby can sort that out, surely?
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2016, 09:20:44 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?

Yes, the moribund old geezers.

There could be another problem there is no Coronation Street or Eastenders the UK lot, I know some people cannot survive without the daily soap update:)
What, no satellite tv in Rossiya?
Moby can sort that out, surely?

I have Cable and Netflix but can't find Corrie or Eastenders any where.. not that i want to watch that rubbish anyway :chuckle:
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2016, 09:25:48 AM »
If you need that stuff then there's torrents to download. The process can be automated to catch the latest episodes as they are uploaded.


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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2016, 10:15:13 AM »
If you need that stuff then there's torrents to download. The process can be automated to catch the latest episodes as they are uploaded.

I left the Uk to get away from that stuff as well :chuckle: It beats me how when there is a murder in Eastenders the whole of the UK is in watching the nonsense. The streets are deserted :laugh:
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2016, 11:00:06 AM »
If you need that stuff then there's torrents to download. The process can be automated to catch the latest episodes as they are uploaded.

I left the Uk to get away from that stuff as well :chuckle: It beats me how when there is a murder in Eastenders the whole of the UK is in watching the nonsense. The streets are deserted :laugh:

Not me, I have never watched an episode in my life and have no intention of doing so.

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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2016, 11:12:10 AM »
If you need that stuff then there's torrents to download. The process can be automated to catch the latest episodes as they are uploaded.

I left the Uk to get away from that stuff as well :chuckle: It beats me how when there is a murder in Eastenders the whole of the UK is in watching the nonsense. The streets are deserted :laugh:

Not me, I have never watched an episode in my life and have no intention of doing so.
Indeed.    :sick0012:
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Re: The Russian Dream..
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2016, 11:19:06 AM »
The burning question is whether or not there are enough comfy armchairs in Russia to go around.

 :chuckle: Who for? All the old geezers from the forum?

Yes, the moribund old geezers.

There could be another problem there is no Coronation Street or Eastenders the UK lot, I know some people cannot survive without the daily soap update:)

Surely they're the kind of people 1 would not want to associate with if you relocated to Russia or anywhere infact (except maybe Benidorm  :hidechair:)
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