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Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« on: November 25, 2015, 11:12:25 AM »
First it forbids them to land at Ukrainian airports, and now they need to find a new flight paths that does not include Ukraine.
Russia can retaliate, but Ukraine does not need to fly East, while I would think that Russia *does* need to fly West.

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 11:19:07 AM »
First it forbids them to land at Ukrainian airports, and now they need to find a new flight paths that does not include Ukraine.
Russia can retaliate, but Ukraine does not need to fly East, while I would think that Russia *does* need to fly West.

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What a stupid country!

It looks like they are going to BUY their gas from Europe

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/550610.html

Problem is who will supply it knowing they will not get paid for it…  :laugh:   :'(
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 12:23:27 PM »
What a stupid country!

It looks like they are going to BUY their gas from Europe

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/550610.html

Problem is who will supply it knowing they will not get paid for it…  :laugh:   :'(

Uncle Sam will pay. I am sure the American tax payers will be happy to see their tax dollars prop up Ukraine.  ;D


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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 12:31:29 PM »
Not just USA.  The EU has already agreed to help "finance" Ukraine's winter gas bill.  They will soon learn that a loan is really a gift...

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 12:33:14 PM »
Not just USA.  The EU has already agreed to help "finance" Ukraine's winter gas bill.  They will soon learn that a loan is really a gift...

A loan to Ukraine is always a gift. Sooner or later they will run of of benefactors.

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 12:33:47 PM »
Not just USA.  The EU has already agreed to help "finance" Ukraine's winter gas bill.  They will soon learn that a loan is really a gift...

After Iceland, Greece, Cyprus, .... it is not really a surprise anymore  :D
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 01:01:51 PM »
After Iceland, Greece, Cyprus, .... it is not really a surprise anymore  :D

Iceland isn't in the EU.

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 01:16:54 PM »
After Iceland, Greece, Cyprus, .... it is not really a surprise anymore  :D

Iceland isn't in the EU.
No, but we still ended up paying them dearly, just like our future 'loan' to Ukraine. They aren't EU, but we are gifting them billions of euro's.
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 01:36:26 PM »
No, but we still ended up paying them dearly, just like our future 'loan' to Ukraine. They aren't EU, but we are gifting them billions of euro's.

So in your opinion why is the EU handing out these loans?

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 01:38:44 PM »
No, but we still ended up paying them dearly, just like our future 'loan' to Ukraine. They aren't EU, but we are gifting them billions of euro's.

So in your opinion why is the EU handing out these loans?

Well, it isn't to make their citizens happy. I see more adverse reactions every month to the EU-meddling.

I have no idea why they do it, maybe at first (iceland) they really thought they'd get it back. But with Greece, it has to be obvious there isn't any coming back.
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 02:07:08 PM »
Well, it isn't to make their citizens happy. I see more adverse reactions every month to the EU-meddling.

But how many governments have policies to make their citizens happy?

I have no idea why they do it, maybe at first (iceland) they really thought they'd get it back. But with Greece, it has to be obvious there isn't any coming back.

With the EU loans possibly so, but the IMF tend to make profits from all the countries they hand out loans to.

http://jubileedebt.org.uk/news/imf-made-e2-5-billion-profit-greece-loans


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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2015, 02:25:50 PM »
Not just USA.  The EU has already agreed to help "finance" Ukraine's winter gas bill.  They will soon learn that a loan is really a gift...

A loan to Ukraine is always a gift. Sooner or later they will run of of benefactors.

It reminds me of Ukrainian women :laugh:
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2015, 02:31:19 PM »
Well, it isn't to make their citizens happy. I see more adverse reactions every month to the EU-meddling.

But how many governments have policies to make their citizens happy?
Russia did, with that anti-gay propaganda law there. Outrage in the west, but I think it was just for the people.

I suspect many government make policies to make citizens happy, or try to.
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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 02:51:54 PM »
Russia did, with that anti-gay propaganda law there. Outrage in the west, but I think it was just for the people.

I suspect many government make policies to make citizens happy, or try to.

I think they implement policies to appease the people when they're needed, not to make them happy.  The rest of the time many of them push them as far as they can.

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Re: Ukraine shuts down airspace to ALL Russian planes.
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 03:00:51 PM »
After Iceland, Greece, Cyprus, .... it is not really a surprise anymore  :D

Iceland isn't in the EU.

Iceland still owes Landsbanki Guernsey depositors. They are being sued right now by Deloitte. Haarde was corrupt. Iceland is no example to anyone.