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Crimea is without electricity.
« on: November 21, 2015, 05:24:51 PM »
There's been ongoing bickering about supplying Crimea with electric, someone took care of that.

Russia  was building an alternate power line directly from Russia, but will not be completed for another month or so.

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 05:40:08 PM »
There's been ongoing bickering about supplying Crimea with electric, someone took care of that.

Russia  was building an alternate power line directly from Russia, but will not be completed for another month or so.

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/

Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 07:23:41 PM »
There's been ongoing bickering about supplying Crimea with electric, someone took care of that.

Russia  was building an alternate power line directly from Russia, but will not be completed for another month or so.

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/

Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.

WestCoast, you are just brilliant!  None of us would have thought of this.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 12:21:49 AM »
There's been ongoing bickering about supplying Crimea with electric, someone took care of that.

Russia  was building an alternate power line directly from Russia, but will not be completed for another month or so.

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/

Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.

Doh!!! the same way as Russia provides Gas for Ukraine ..they eventually get paid for it or in the case of Gas maybe not as per the Ukrainian norm.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 02:41:12 AM »
Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea?
Why ask these questions?

Its because Russia is paying for it, whilst it builds their own infrastructure to cut these costs.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 02:47:08 AM »
Also interesting to note:

Western media are quoting (like tomcat) rt.com and tass.ru , and claiming the perpetrators are unknown.

Whilst kiev's media are reporting the same event and pointing at kholomoiskys cronies , the same merry band that suddenly stopped trucks with food going to crimea from the north.

Better article with quoted sources:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrime-ua.com%2Fnode%2F12756&edit-text=
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015, 09:59:30 AM »
There is definitely a bias in the media's reporting.
Being this terrorist act was carried out by the Ukrainian side , there's very little western media coverage.
Had a similar act been committed by Russian separatists Putin would be in the headlines.
Why not place the blame on Poroshenko? After all his military is committing war crimes against civilians most every day.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015, 10:21:46 AM »
Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.
WestCoast, you are just brilliant!  None of us would have thought of this.

Yes, that was truly remarkable.

Here is a news flash for Westy: Ukraine sells electricity to Crimea (UAH 3.95) for more than four times the average price* that it charges those in the non-breakaway areas. Moreover, the imports of Russian electricity to Ukraine are currently approximately a trillion KWH annually. As of August, Ukraine was paying Russia UAH 0.94 per kW/h. Russia still has plenty of ways to hand the DUBs the screwing that they deserve. I'm surprised that they have been so patient.

* Ukraine domestic electricity price schedule as of 1 April, 2015:
Up to 100 kW\h per month: UAH 0.37 per kW/hup to 100 kW/h per month.
100 to 600 kW\h per month: UAH 0.63 per kW\h.
More than 600 kW\h per month: UAH 1.40 per kW\h.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 10:26:41 AM »
Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.
WestCoast, you are just brilliant!  None of us would have thought of this.

Yes, that was truly remarkable.

A truly insightful point from a man with a mind like a sharpened razor.

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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 10:32:18 AM »
There's been ongoing bickering about supplying Crimea with electric, someone took care of that.

Russia  was building an alternate power line directly from Russia, but will not be completed for another month or so.

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/

Why would Ukraine bother supplying power to Crimea? Crimea is Russia's problem now Russia should have been supplying power, water, oil, etc from day one.

Doh!!! the same way as Russia provides Gas for Ukraine ..they eventually get paid for it or in the case of Gas maybe not as per the Ukrainian norm.

Sparky I'm assuming Ukraine is being paid for the power and whatever else they are supplying to Crimea. My point is Ukraine says Crimea is theirs and Russia seized it by military force. Ukraine should have shown some guts and simply said to Russia from the beginning screw you, you want Crimea find your own power, water, gas etc.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 10:37:36 AM »
There is definitely a bias in the media's reporting.
Being this terrorist act was carried out by the Ukrainian side , there's very little western media coverage.
Had a similar act been committed by Russian separatists Putin would be in the headlines.
Why not place the blame on Poroshenko? After all his military is committing war crimes against civilians most every day.

Tom Cat where are you in the US? I just Googled "Crimea without power" and got lots of articles. There's goes the idea that the western media is biased.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/22/world/europe/ap-eu-ukraine-electricity.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/most-of-crimea-without-power-after-transmission-tower-explosions-1.2669315
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 10:44:08 AM »
There is definitely a bias in the media's reporting.
Being this terrorist act was carried out by the Ukrainian side , there's very little western media coverage.
Had a similar act been committed by Russian separatists Putin would be in the headlines.
Why not place the blame on Poroshenko? After all his military is committing war crimes against civilians most every day.

Tom Cat where are you in the US? I just Googled "Crimea without power" and got lots of articles. There's goes the idea that the western media is biased.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/22/world/europe/ap-eu-ukraine-electricity.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/most-of-crimea-without-power-after-transmission-tower-explosions-1.2669315



The United state's t.v. news mentioned nothing.
Had Russia committed a terrorist attack as this the media's coverage would have been crazy.
Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 10:58:55 AM »
There is definitely a bias in the media's reporting.
Being this terrorist act was carried out by the Ukrainian side , there's very little western media coverage.
Had a similar act been committed by Russian separatists Putin would be in the headlines.
Why not place the blame on Poroshenko? After all his military is committing war crimes against civilians most every day.

Tom Cat where are you in the US? I just Googled "Crimea without power" and got lots of articles. There's goes the idea that the western media is biased.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/22/world/europe/ap-eu-ukraine-electricity.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/most-of-crimea-without-power-after-transmission-tower-explosions-1.2669315

and how many of those sources said it was the crimean tatars. And that they erected a blockade to prevent repair crews reaching the damaged towers.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 11:09:22 AM »
Ukraine should have shown some guts and simply said to Russia from the beginning screw you, you want Crimea find your own power, water, gas etc.

That is the sort of tactic that a spoiled (and very stupid) child would use. I'm surprised that Ukraine didn't take that approach.
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Re: Crimea is without electricity.
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 11:11:45 AM »
There is definitely a bias in the media's reporting.
Being this terrorist act was carried out by the Ukrainian side , there's very little western media coverage.
Had a similar act been committed by Russian separatists Putin would be in the headlines.
Why not place the blame on Poroshenko? After all his military is committing war crimes against civilians most every day.

Tom Cat where are you in the US? I just Googled "Crimea without power" and got lots of articles. There's goes the idea that the western media is biased.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/22/world/europe/ap-eu-ukraine-electricity.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/most-of-crimea-without-power-after-transmission-tower-explosions-1.2669315



The United state's t.v. news mentioned nothing.
Had Russia committed a terrorist attack as this the media's coverage would have been crazy.

Again I've seen mention of the sabotage on CNN and our local news. Perhaps the version of CNN I get in Canada is different from yours?

As for the sabotage since you're using Russia as a comparison I'm assuming you're saying that the Ukrainian government ordered the destruction of the towers supplying electricity to Crimea, correct?

I've read an RT (the official news source of RUA. RT is owned and operated by the Kremlin} article on the power outage and nowhere in the article does Russia state that the Ukrainian government ordered the destruction of the electrical towers.

In fact the RT article states that "Photos of severed towers with a Crimean-Tatar flag hanging on one of them have been posted online." If as the article hints at that Crimean Tatars are responsible for the destruction of the towers than it is Russia's fault for not controlling their citizens and not having the intel to assist Ukrainian authorities by giving them information about the planned sabotage.


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