Russians may soon need a Visa to exit Russia

[Steveboy]

The Russian government are thinking of bringing in a new plan where by if you are a Russian citizen and wish to travel outside Russia you will need to apply for an "Exit" visa.

http://news.rambler.ru/politics/31921068/


They say it will be for safety reasons, for example you plan to travel to paris the weekend, you must sign a declaration "I realise I may get blown up in Paris and I accept responsibility"

But it maybe just to keep more Russians in Russia and build the tourism up in Crimea 

[Maxx]

The bureaucracy of the Russian government stands in the way of progress, Crimea should be treated apart from the usual rules namely no visa required to enter and unlimited stays for those that qualify. But Russians adore authority even though they do their best to dodge it.

[msmoby]

..and even if you DO make it to the airport - the tv news has been reminding you that if you have any outstanding fines - you can't leave !

[GuppyCaptain]

One step closer to their communist dictatorship past. This is starting to read like a predictable book.

[yankee]

One step closer to their communist dictatorship past. This is starting to read like a predictable book.

When I was young and did a lot of traveling the only thing I needed was a ticket.  I could even use that ticket on another airine.  If I wanted to I could give my ticket to another person (no name was on the ticket).

there was no screening also.  To leave the US and go to Canada and mexico I did not need a passport.  In the past 30 years or so we have lost many of our freedoms. 

So which country is going in the wrong direction??

[WestCoast]

Perhaps Russia will start requiring visas for foreigners to exit Russia? 

[GuppyCaptain]

I make no argument that the US is definitely going in the wrong direction. None. This is a little different. You can leave the US without a passport. You just can't reenter.

In this case, you need permission from your government to even LEAVE the country. That's a drastic difference and one that can easily be exploited and abused by Putin and his clan or whomever his successor is.

It's another way to control the public just like state owned TV propaganda. Really, it doesn't take a genious to figure out where this has the potential to lead.

I ask, what honest and benevolent purpose does this serve for the Russian government. Do some of you actually have your heads that far up your rear ends to defend all the actions of a government that is blantantly and increasingly headed right down the pike to the decades of totalitarian dictatorship that preceded the early 90s'. Tell me you're not that blind, or maybe you haven't had the "privelage" of living under such a society to recognize the warning signs and gradual progression towards it (there's plenty of them here in the US as well).

Puleeez people. 

[yankee]

I make no argument that the US is definitely going in the wrong direction. None. This is a little different. You can leave the US without a passport. You just can't reenter.

And which port of exit can you do that?

[GuppyCaptain]

Any. You can leave but you can't come back.

[Steveboy]

Perhaps Russia will start requiring visas for foreigners to exit Russia? 

They do some times if you over stay your visa. It happened to me once and cost me a $400 fine, on top of the cost to make an exit visa. 

[andrewfi]

Here you are all getting your knickers in a twist over a possible proposal where the form and nature of the beast has not yet been disclosed.

No wonder some of you all get so easily confused.

Here's the deal: CLICK HERE!

In essence there is a call, arising from the recent air disaster, for a way to provide detailed information to Russians before they travel abroad. The speaker on the radio program, a Duma member, Vadim Solovyov, said that there were various ways on the table to communicate information to travelers before they travel. It was made clear that there was no intention, if such a scheme was introduced, to restrict travel, just to ensure that travelers know of specific, notified risks and that they accept the consequences arising from their choice.

As a traveler, I know to look at the UK.gov sites for specific destinations, but most travelers do not and thus travel completely uninformed. Some form of concrete notification seems to make sense to me - especially in the context, for Russia, of heightened risks to travelers. Unlike, for example, the US where the government simply bans people from traveling to certain destinations, Solovyov made it clear that this was not on the cards - people go where they want, but they go having made an informed choice.

[msmoby]

Andrewfi

As you know Russians cannot go where they want
Anywhere the natiin has an extradition treaty with the yanks...if you work for the govt....you can't go.

Just keeping you 'honest'...




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[Manny]

As you know Russians cannot go where they want

By this, I assume you are saying they are banned from some places like Americans are with Cuba? Enlighten us, where cant Russians go?

..and even if you DO make it to the airport - the tv news has been reminding you that if you have any outstanding fines - you can't leave !

The UK stop you now if you owe big tax, VAT or child support on exit. They try not to howl it from the rooftops, but the system is in place. How well it actually works I am not sure. That would be a reasonable rule though Cant pay your fines/bills? Cant travel.

[andrewfi]

Moby, as so often happens, you are showing signs of confusion. Whether the confusion is an honest one due to an information deficit, or a less honest pretence due to your boredom and innate characteristics I don't know.

So, yes, some Russians working in certain areas of government work are restricted in terms of travel. That is hardly a big surprise given work related security constraints. Now that your information deficit is corrected you can, I am sure, honestly agree that this is a rather different and limited case as compared to overall restrictions upon travel destinations imposed by certain other places; or even, as Manny notes, restrictions upon exit for various choices of several well known countries.

To reiterate, the possible proposal, one of several possibilities being considered, is an information transfer system from government to citizens and does not envisage a restriction of travel upon individuals.

[Ste]

As you know Russians cannot go where they want

By this, I assume you are saying they are banned from some places like Americans are with Cuba? Enlighten us, where cant Russians go?

..and even if you DO make it to the airport - the tv news has been reminding you that if you have any outstanding fines - you can't leave !

The UK stop you now if you owe big tax, VAT or child support on exit. They try not to howl it from the rooftops, but the system is in place. How well it actually works I am not sure. That would be a reasonable rule though Cant pay your fines/bills? Cant travel.

UKVI have a link to HMRC and no doubt by now, CSA or whatever it's called now.

[andrewfi]

Lest we forget, in the UK, the government routinely withdrawn foreign travel rights from various groups of people at the discretion of said government. Famously this has been applied to football fans.

Under previous guidelines, a variety of reasons could already give rise to the withdrawal of a passport or the rejection of an application.

Mrs May said people facing an arrest warrant, court orders, bail restrictions, international orders from the European Union or United Nations could all have their passports reviewed.

Football hooligans could face travel bans under the new system, Mrs May said.

A Home Office spokesman added: “The criteria for applying the Royal Prerogative have been updated to reflect the current range of powers that can be used to place travel or passport restrictions on an individual, such as football banning orders.”

Daily Mirror

[Markje]

In this case, you need permission from your government to even LEAVE the country. That's a drastic difference and one that can easily be exploited and abused by Putin and his clan or whomever his successor is.

No, this is simply red tape for profitable exploitation, if the government wants to keep you in the country they can simply deny to issue your passport and revoke the one you have.

Mark

[WestCoast]

Lest we forget, in the UK, the government routinely withdrawn foreign travel rights from various groups of people at the discretion of said government. Famously this has been applied to football fans.

Under previous guidelines, a variety of reasons could already give rise to the withdrawal of a passport or the rejection of an application.

Mrs May said people facing an arrest warrant, court orders, bail restrictions, international orders from the European Union or United Nations could all have their passports reviewed.

Football hooligans could face travel bans under the new system, Mrs May said.

A Home Office spokesman added: “The criteria for applying the Royal Prerogative have been updated to reflect the current range of powers that can be used to place travel or passport restrictions on an individual, such as football banning orders.”

Daily Mirror

You're comparing UK citizens who are accused of some type of crime or otherwise been placed under court/government supervision and football hooligans to the average Russian citizen? You seem to have a rather low opinion of Russian citizens. 

Note I supplied the definition of football hooligan for you since for some inexplicable reason you seem to think it means 'football fan'.

[andrewfi]

Westcoast, you are getting confused ...again.

As you can see from the linked article and quoted words this is not just about people convicted of crimes, indeed, most people would not have been found guilty of any crime.

As you'd have seen, if you'd done the reading before blundering in with your chubby fingers, football fans can have their passports withdrawn simply based upon where they were standing. I don't know about you but to describe a football fan who is not convicted of any crime of being a football hooligan seems a tad, inaccurate.

As I was not making a comparison with any Russians I think that, again, you were being confused by, something.

Here's a small suggestion for you. Why not check that you have read and understood a post before pecking away at a reply. Indeed, it may be worthwhile to remember the maxim:

It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.

Maurice Switzer

[yankee]

Any. You can leave but you can't come back.

If you don't have proper id they wont let you pass.

[WestCoast]

Westcoast, you are getting confused ...again.

Not at all.

As you can see from the linked article and quoted words this is not just about people convicted of crimes, indeed, most people would not have been found guilty of any crime.

I was only referencing the types of people you quoted in your post however by all means let's look at the entire article from the Mirror. In addition to the individuals you quoted the Mirror article also mentions 'wannabe jihadists'. Are you seriously defending the rights of 'wannabe jihadists' to have passports? Had a few too many pints at the local pub and the ability to travel to the ME for training with the likes of ISIS?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/theresa-take-passports-wannabe-jihadists-1853654

As you'd have seen, if you'd done the reading before blundering in with your chubby fingers

bolding above mine

Before you start calling anyone 'chubby' take a look at your avatar, look at the photos you use all over the Internet. What are you 50 or 70 pounds overweight? More? Best you start talking to your doctor about a long term plan for diet and exercise. 

football fans

Nowhere in the article is the phrase 'football fan' used. Reread the article. The phrase used is 'Football hooligans'.

As I was not making a comparison with any Russians I think that, again, you were being confused by, something.

So in the middle of a thread to do with Russians needing exit visas to leave Russia you decided to post something about UK criminals, UK jihadists and UK football hooligans that has absolutely nothing to do with Russians needing exit visas to leave Russia?

Definitely time to cut back on your drinking Andrew.

[Millaa]

Any. You can leave but you can't come back.

If you don't have proper id they wont let you pass.

I remember we didn't take boat trip in Portland because I had no ID.
Btw, why does GuppyCaptain keep silence about violation citizen's rights in Israel or Cambodia? You should pay money for exit there. 

[andrewfi]

Westy, it may have escaped your notice over the seven decades of your life on earth but rarely/never does a person's physique have an impact upon any other person's appearance. My appearance has no bearing upon your corpulence,  you are no more or less slender as a result of my body weight. What a strange view of the world you have.

In our world,  but maybe not yours, a discussion sometimes takes a slight tangent however I am sure that even in your world you'd think that being addressed as a rapist,  for example,  without ever having been convicted,  or even tried for such a crime would be incorrect,  the wrong thing to do. Thus,  in my world a football fan who has not been tried or convicted of any crime associated with hooliganism is not a hooligan,  but a football fan? Do you not get that? By the same token a person who has not been tried or convicted of any crime related to 'jihadism' whatever that might mean is not a 'jihadist' just a person. That's the ethical weakness of these travel bans. It is why the issue is worth noting when people like you are choosing to make disparaging comparisons based upon a concerted effort to not learn,  to not understand and to not think.

To remind you this thread is about the possibility of a proposal to aid the Russian state in informing it's citizens about the risks associated with travel to certain foreign destinations. Specifically,  the possible proposal is not,  about restrictions upon travel as has been assumed by those here who chose to not apprise themselves of the known facts of the matter in favour of fantasies based upon prejudice.

[msmoby]

As you know Russians cannot go where they want

By this, I assume you are saying they are banned from some places like Americans are with Cuba? Enlighten us, where cant Russians go?

This should help..

http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/2014/05/russia-bans-police-emergency-and-military-employees-traveling-abroad-13-05


A British policemen - I checked - is free to go where he likes - having checked the Foreign and Commonwealth advisory info... a Russian DPS guy who might direct traffic is NOT allowed to travel  to many nations.

Here's a list of nations that signed extraditions treaties - it's a long one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties

I'm guessing Cuba and Venezuela's aren't being enforced  - but if US /Cuba relations continue improving ...



On top of this it is now policy to 'suggest' that if you work for other  govt. departments - NOT - to take holidays abroad - in nations with these extradition agreements.


https://www.rt.com/politics/161992-russian-judges-extradition-vacation/

This even extended to a municipal planning office - Someone we know had to cancel her plans to holiday in Turkey .

I hope you are suitably enlightened.

BTW. I think stopping people at the airport for non payment of taxes, child support and cancelling of driving licences / permits is a great idea ...

[Manny]

Your RT link is a sensible precaution that some people must take due to the legal system in the US.

Moby, you said:

As you know Russians cannot go where they want

This is untrue.

What you later submitted as proof is that people in certain jobs are unable to travel abroad. If they are unhappy with this, one assumes they can get a different job with a different security risk.

You may have been correct to say: "As you know, some Russians cannot go where they want due to occupational security restrictions".