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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2015, 10:41:54 AM »
Hey Westy

ever get the feeling that certain folk regard it as 'sport' to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the evidence   ? :chuckle:

Someone has to educate them.  :laugh:
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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2015, 01:42:07 PM »
Latest news: The Russians are pointing out that the medals that Russian athletes won at the 2012 games were tested by the British  - using their methods..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34785562

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2015, 04:45:25 PM »
The big man himself admitted today Russia has a doping problem and will cooperate in efforts to get it under control.
Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.


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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2015, 04:50:22 PM »
Russian president Vladimir Putin orders action over WADA commission's explosive doping claims

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-12/russian-president-vladimir-putin-orders-action-over-wada-doping/6933746
Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2015, 02:29:58 AM »
I knew Westy would get a semi over this!  (:)

I want the athletes to take drugs. I mean, do you want to see someone shave a hundredth of a second off the 100m record, or do you want to see them run it in 3 seconds? I don’t want to see Dwaine Chambers running on steroids; I want to see him running with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard. I want to see him run so fast that half-way through the race, he disappears, like the car from Back to the Future, reappears at the finish line as an old man, shouts “BEWARE CHINA”, and crumbles into  :censored: ing dust! - Frankie Boyle

Didn't know who Frankie Boyle is so I looked him up. Idiot Brit comedian who despised by a great number of his countrymen. Sounds about right for rosco.

Not sure I would describe Frankie as an idiot. In fact, he's an extremely intelligent bloke but his humour does push the boundaries at times. You'll find he has quite a following too although few with positions of authority welcome being challenged. He is in fact incredibly popular with his countrymen so I guess yet again, this conveys to us how you read something and then get it all wrong?

I'd describe him as an anti establishment type who sees things for what they are, be it US bombing campaigns around the world or government cover ups and banking scandals. People abusing positions of authority and use media to justify the unjustifiable until people like Frankie come along and point out the facts. So it's OK you think these types are unpopular idiots. You're the type of guy who prefers to live under a mushroom and be spoon fed crap and regurgitate it with like minded fools. I guess life is safer for you that way.

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2015, 03:55:07 AM »
Some of the world's top athletes already can't compete against Russian athletes. For instance, some top events like marathons in the US aren't allowing top Russian athletes to enter because of doping in Russia.
Yet nobody is complaining you can't beat the Dutch in ice-skating. Check out the sochi-stats for the world winter olympics last time. That was almost a disgrace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics_medal_table#/media/File:Men%27s_5000m,_2014_Winter_Olympics,_Podium.jpg

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2015, 04:11:01 AM »

Yet nobody is complaining you can't beat the Dutch in ice-skating. Check out the sochi-stats for the world winter olympics last time. That was almost a disgrace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics_medal_table#/media/File:Men%27s_5000m,_2014_Winter_Olympics,_Podium.jpg

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How is it a 'disgrace' ?

are you suggesting they all doped ?

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2015, 02:17:05 PM »
Are the Beeb jumping the gun ?

''Athletics doping scandal: Russian federation to admit some charges''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34801325

''The Russian federation's acting president Vadim Zelichenok says it will "admit some things" in its response.

"We admit some things, we argue with some things, some are already fixed - it's a variety," Zelichenok told the Associated Press.''

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2015, 02:29:56 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34814491

Athletics doping scandal: Russia ready to co-operate, says minister

Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko.'' Russia is willing to do "whatever the IAAF says".

"I guarantee - in the name of the state - that we will co-operate in any way to sort out the athletics federation in the shortest possible time," he said.

"If we need to change everyone there - we will do it''

As I surmised - there'll be scapegoats....  what ever happened to the report's findings being groundless  ?


I am hopeful that those athletes / coaches who are clean will not be tarnished by those who sought to win at any cost

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2015, 02:35:10 PM »
now from the Russian perspective..

The headline is that the IAAF has to get it's house in order ...

https://www.rt.com/sport/321866-iaaf-credibility-tatters-mutko/



Well, that's also true - but nice try at deflecting one's own sins in the whole scandal ...


Amazing, to read the same subject and it to be reported so differently

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2015, 02:45:33 PM »
wow, can't keep up

Russia's been suspended, provisionally by the IAAF

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896

Nothing from Russia Today, yet..

I seriously hope that the clean athletes can complete in Rio next year.


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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2015, 09:50:25 PM »
It just got worse. Sabestian Coe president of the IAAF said Russia will be banned from next year's Olympics unless it convinces the world it has cleaned up its act on doping.

The move bars Russia from all international track and field competition for an indefinite period, including the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, until the country is judged to have fixed its problems and fallen into line with global anti-doping rules.

Will Putin bow to the will of the IAAF and clean up doping in Russia or will he just say Russia's done nothing wrong and dare the IAAF to uphold Russia's suspension from the 2016 Olympics and international events in general?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-banned-olympics_56468696e4b0603773492aed?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2015/11/13/russia-track-suspension-doping-iaaf-rio-olympics/75722032/

http://nypost.com/2015/11/13/russias-track-team-may-miss-olympics-after-historic-doping-ban/
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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2015, 05:22:49 AM »
Analysis: BBC athletics correspondent Mike Costello

"This feels like a moment when the cynicism of athletes and others inside the sport is shown to be justified and the sport's leaders are forced, finally, into a constructive response. The vote in favour of suspension was more emphatic than many had predicted and serves as a clear signal to Russia that the era of winning dirty is over. The Russian authorities say they are ready to change the culture of corruption and cover-up."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896

also.. Athletics doping: Lord Coe has been naive, says Martyn Rooney

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34805687

Athlete Martyn Rooney has questioned whether IAAF president Lord Coe knew of problems at athletics' governing body or had his "head in the sand".

Coe indicated "rogue elements" may have infiltrated the IAAF, where he was vice-president for eight years.

"It is pretty disrespectful to believe the vice-president did not know what was going on within IAAF," said Rooney.

"That is his job and if he believes he did not know what was going on he has not been doing his job properly," he added.

UK anti-doping system worse than Russia's, says Russian  minister

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34785562

Referring to the 2012 Olympics, he added: "It was Britain's anti-doping organisation under the leadership of the International Olympic Committee.

"Each medal winner was tested for doping and received their medal only after having tested negative."

List of doping cases in athletics
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

The use of performance-enhancing drugs (doping) is prohibited within the sport of athletics. Athletes who are found to have used such banned substances, either through a positive drugs test, the biological passport system, an investigation or public admission, receive a competition ban for a length of time which reflects the severity of the infraction.

I read through this very long list of “Banned Athletes for doping” and it is just amazing to see that NOT A SINGLE USA ATHLETE included in the list! UMBELEIVABLE!   :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

WestCoast, you have relentlessly pursuit the western propaganda emanating from Washington and Langley(CIA) against Russia and Putin, I guess you never visited Russia and so far you have shown yourself to be nothing more than an obsessed troll (probably paid one), a clown and nothing more. Your only achievement was to increase the post counter of this board, irritate the good and valuable members on the board with your inane posts and present yourself as a complete baffoon. You obviously think or were told, the more you repeat a lie, under various cover stories,  mud will stick to Russia and Putin but for your luck you come across belonging to the last choice from the 3 choices given earlier in another post to Moby. Well done Westy!  :dh:

Take a look at this short clip from an old film,  “The Russian House” and despite the missing dialogue and description about the USA, by Sean Connery,  still the rest of the dialogue  applies accordingly to you and your beloved propaganda.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yzM2nkylI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yzM2nkylI</a>

Finally, another nail in the coffin and failure of the American Diplomacy!

As many as 111 countries recognized the independence of the Serbian province of “Kosovo”.  However, only 92 countries supported Kosovo's bid for UNESCO membership, whereas 50 delegations voted against it. The voting marked an unexpected victory for Serbia and Russia that opposed the unilateral declaration of Kosovo's independence.

http://www.pravdareport.com/world/europe/10-11-2015/132554-kosovo_unesco-0/

Is there anything in your Media about it?

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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2015, 06:19:33 AM »
Dear Wiz,

You seem to need my help

if you needed to learn of doping USA athletes, why not go to the horses mouth  ?

http://www.usatf.org/about/legal/antidoping/suspensions.asp


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Re: WADA: Doping in Sports in Russia
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2015, 06:24:23 AM »
Wiz

if you want to post stuff about Kosovo and learn something - let's ask the mods to move the part of your off-topic 'rant' and you can speak to a poster who's been to both Kosovo and 'Abkhazia' - the Kremlin's [ petulant  ?] response to the former's recognition..

You can tell us there how many nations recognise 'Abkhazia' - some of those nation even withdrew their recognition ....