Russian Airliner crashed in Egypt

[msmoby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34687139
Confusion over Russian airliner 'missing in Sinai

https://www.rt.com/news/320217-russian-plane-off-radars/

Russian passenger aircraft with 220 onboard goes off radar, reportedly crashes over Egypt

Other reports say - crashed into Med off Cyprus.

Hope this turns out to be internet Chinese whispers

[Steveboy]

Looks like a Russian airliner carrying over 200 passengers has crashed in Egypt.

https://www.rt.com/news/320217-russian-plane-off-radars/

Personally the only Russian airline I would fly with is Aeroflot I would never feel safe on any other

[msmoby]

Looks like a Russian airliner carrying over 200 passengers has crashed in Egypt.

https://www.rt.com/news/320217-russian-plane-off-radars/

Personally the only Russian airline I would fly with is Aeroflot I would never feel safe on any other

Posted about this terrible news about 40 mins ago ....

I've flown on many -  now defaunt  - RU / UA airlines and they were 'interesting'...

S7 don't seem bad ..

Many charter firms - like nortwind - have modern stock...

[msmoby]

So, it appears to be an 18 year old Airbus and the pilot may have radioed about having an engine problem..

As it was reported to be at 9500m - you'd think he'd be ableto land somewhere....

Some reports voices could be heard - intimating survivors 

Russia Today moved Larnaca in the Republic of Cyprus to 'Turkish Cyprus'

[Steveboy]

I have flown S7 also and they are pretty good all new planes.

There have been some stupid comments in the media like "What comes round goes round"

[GuppyCaptain]

Incredibly sad. Ugh, it just punches me in the gut to hear about stuff like this. This was a very modern and newer aircraft, too.

[GuppyCaptain]

I have flown S7 also and they are pretty good all new planes.

There have been some stupid comments in the media like "What comes round goes round"

Those are stupid comments indeed, but my personal assessment is that pilot's mentalities in the FSU are definitely more prone to being a little "cowboy" and cavalier than in the West. That's not speculating on this tragedy specifically.

[Manny]

The pilot requested permission to land at Cairo right after take off because of a technical fault, so it appears at the moment that pilot error was not a factor.

[GuppyCaptain]

The pilot requested permission to land at Cairo right after take off because of a technical fault, so it appears at the moment that pilot error was not a factor.

Obviously a technical issue was involved in the crashed. It is WAY too early to tell whether there was any pilot error involved as well.

For pilots, events like this just hit us in the gut, and nothing pisses us off more than moronic, premature media speculation.

[leslied]

This might be just media speculation -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11967725/Russian-plane-crash-Isil-claims-it-brought-down-airliner-that-crashed-in-Sinai-with-224-people-on-board-latest-news.html

If it is true then thermobaric carpet bombing of Ar Raqqah is in order.

[GuppyCaptain]

It didn't get shot down. That I'm sure of.

[Anteros]

It didn't get shot down. That I'm sure of.

I suppose it's possible that ISIS smuggled some sort of bomb onto the plane or even that they had a tech working for them who deliberately sabotaged the plane.  If that is proven to be true it will be a quicker death for ISIS than what is already in the works.

[msmoby]

This might be just media speculation -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11967725/Russian-plane-crash-Isil-claims-it-brought-down-airliner-that-crashed-in-Sinai-with-224-people-on-board-latest-news.html

If it is true then thermobaric carpet bombing of Ar Raqqah is in order.

So, based on your train of thought Ukraine could have 'legitimately' carpet bombed SE Ukraine - following 'Girkin's' hastily deleted boast ....

I find t strange that it is reported that the pilot raidoedin a technical diffucultly  - engine  ? - Yet climed to 9500m..... if seeking to land in a hurry

[Markje]

It didn't get shot down. That I'm sure of.

Dutch news today does report that a Terrorist attack is the most likely scenario as technical problems with the airplane have been ruled out mostly.

Only the "tailgate airscrape during takeoff/landing & faulty repaired" is the only viable option now for technical difficulties causing this crash.

See china airlines for similar accident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611

The final investigation report found that the accident was the result of metal fatigue caused by inadequate maintenance after an earlier tailstrike incident.

[msmoby]

This is the BIGGEST news in Russia and yesterday was declared a 'day of mourning'

1/ The co-pilot's wife went on NTV -Gazprom's tv station - to say that her husband had said the plane was in a disgraceful maintenance state

2/ It seems it broke up in mid air - so something catastrophic has happened.

The plane fell from 9500m and forward motion was lost.

''The Russian passenger jet that crashed in Sinai, Egypt, must have been damaged by a force in flight and couldn’t have just broken apart, the airline of the ill-fated Airbus A321 said. '' Source Russia Today https://www.rt.com/news/320469-sinai-plane-owner-statement/

I don't think the Russian's or Egyptians want this to be a terrorist attack - the former for the link to Syria and the latter as they are desparate for Russian Tourists.

All flights are avoiding overflying the Sinai

[Manny]

This could be fake, allegedly released by ISIS, it has been on Veterans Today site pretty soon after it happened.

[andrewfi]

If it is of the plane then it is very suggestive that whoever took it knew what was going to happen.

Aircraft at cruising altitude are leetle, leetle, tiny things and one would be very unlikely to be in a position to take video of such a thing by chance. Factor in the chances of the innocent videographer being connected with an ISIS franchise to the degree that the video falls into their hands within a matter of minutes or hours and one is beyond chance.

So, if the video is of the Metrojet aircraft then we can be sure that whatever happened was no accident.

It seems, from info coming out of Russia, that the informed opinion is toward some kind of attack, not an accident.

The stuff about the co-pilot's wife is a canard. If the plane had not been destroyed nothing would have been thought of it. Bloke was unhappy he had not been paid.

[WestCoast]

This could be fake, allegedly released by ISIS, it has been on Veterans Today site pretty soon after it happened.

If the Russian airliner was flying at 31,000 feet as many news stories have stated I doubt ISIS would not be able to get that detailed video of the missile strike. It certainly wouldn't be possible with a cell phone camera.

[Manny]

Infowars seems to think it was a bomb on board: http://www.infowars.com/evidence-reveals-bomb-took-down-russian-flight-over-sinai/

Based on what we know up to now, that looks quite possible.

If that is the case, I wouldn't rule out Russia destroying ISIS in Egypt as well.

[rosco]

1/ The co-pilot's wife went on NTV -Gazprom's tv station - to say that her husband had said the plane was in a disgraceful maintenance state

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate? I thought she said it "left much to be desired". Perhaps she got carried away whilst going through a series interviews?

[WestCoast]

Infowars seems to think it was a bomb on board: http://www.infowars.com/evidence-reveals-bomb-took-down-russian-flight-over-sinai/

Based on what we know up to now, that looks quite possible.

If that is the case, I wouldn't rule out Russia destroying ISIS in Egypt as well.

If Russia starts flying missions  over Egyptian territory without Egypt's permission that could lead to downed Russian jet fighters. Egypt has an air force that is far larger than the Russian air force stationed in Syria.

Egypt also has ground to air missiles capable of shooting down any Russian military aircraft that violate its air space. 

[rosco]

Infowars seems to think it was a bomb on board: http://www.infowars.com/evidence-reveals-bomb-took-down-russian-flight-over-sinai/

Based on what we know up to now, that looks quite possible.

If that is the case, I wouldn't rule out Russia destroying ISIS in Egypt as well.

My thoughts too. If this is proven to be an ISIS terrorist attack, then I can only imagine the knee jerk reaction.

[rosco]

Infowars seems to think it was a bomb on board: http://www.infowars.com/evidence-reveals-bomb-took-down-russian-flight-over-sinai/

Based on what we know up to now, that looks quite possible.

If that is the case, I wouldn't rule out Russia destroying ISIS in Egypt as well.

If Russia starts flying missions  over Egyptian territory without Egypt's permission that could lead to downed Russian jet fighters. Egypt has an air force that is far larger than the Russian air force stationed in Syria.

Egypt also has ground to air missiles capable of shooting down any Russian military aircraft that violate its air space.

And that's you assuming the Egyptians wont cooperate??

[WestCoast]

Infowars seems to think it was a bomb on board: http://www.infowars.com/evidence-reveals-bomb-took-down-russian-flight-over-sinai/

Based on what we know up to now, that looks quite possible.

If that is the case, I wouldn't rule out Russia destroying ISIS in Egypt as well.

If Russia starts flying missions  over Egyptian territory without Egypt's permission that could lead to downed Russian jet fighters. Egypt has an air force that is far larger than the Russian air force stationed in Syria.

Egypt also has ground to air missiles capable of shooting down any Russian military aircraft that violate its air space.

And that's you assuming the Egyptians wont cooperate??

Why would Egypt allow Russia to fly missions over Egyptian territory? Egypt has a very strong military, lots of US military aid. If ISIS is in Egypt and needs to be destroyed Egypt is capable of doing it. Russia would never accept military aid for fighting terrorists on Russian soil, why would Egypt?

[Manny]

If ISIS is in Egypt and needs to be destroyed Egypt is capable of doing it.

But they haven't.